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30-30 is dust in the wind
Silverking
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I hate it too. It was the first deer rifle I ever had and the first rifle I ever killed a whitetail with.
But it is over. Too much better stuff out there and a cheaper SKS is a better all around gun.
But it is over. Too much better stuff out there and a cheaper SKS is a better all around gun.
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I hate it too. It was the first deer rifle I ever had and the first rifle I ever killed a whitetail with.
But it is over. Too much better stuff out there and a cheaper SKS is a better all around gun.
But still nice having one, if for nothing more than nostalgia' sake.
Too much better stuff out there...
Like what?
quote:Originally posted by Silverking
Too much better stuff out there...
Like what?
.308
Have you tried the LeveRolution ammo? Definitely put this old caliber to a 300 yard cartridge with open sights. Kind of amazing actually. (along with every other caliber built on alever/tube feed gun)
quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
quote:Originally posted by Silverking
Too much better stuff out there...
Like what?
.308
I think it is the fashion of hunters and not the cartridge that dictates what is "better stuff". All those millions of deer killed with the 30-30 or the 44-40 before that are laughing behind our backs. Out to 150 yards, "better stuff" is meaningless, else you can't hit crap anyway. Beyond 150 yards, I can think of cartridges older and better for the job that the .308 ( the .30-06 and even .300H&H come to mind). Perhaps what you mean to say is that there is "better stuff" for a scoped bolt action beyond 150 yards. That is certainly true, but it certainly does not mean the 30-30 is "dust in the wind".
I like my 94 immensly, to quote Slim Pickens' character from 1941 "got me a winchester, goldurn level action, shoots like hellfire" [:D]
It is not the size or speed of the bullet -- it is all about knowing the cartride's limitations, your limitations and placing the shot where it belongs.
A deer has never out run a bullet.
The ft lbs. or energy is important at long distances. You have to deliver energy enough to take the animal down, but placing the shot is still the key.
Easier to place a shot with a .308, 25-06, etc. but never sell a 30-30 short in the hands of a skilled hunter and an experienced 30-30 shooter. My brother killed many deer with a 30-30.
SKS? Better? oh boy. There you go with that jungle mentality again.[}:)]
SKS? Better? oh boy. There you go with that jungle mentality again.
The think the 30-30 is better for deer, but the SKS is better for deer hunters. I could be Hmong, but I don't think so.
Sometimes DWS you crack me up. Good un!
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better for deer as in better for their health?? just kidding, I've never owned a 30-30 but I hear a lot of good about them
Seems to me the 7.62x39 is balistically superior, detachable mags are superior, and the accuracy of an SKS and a regular 30-30 lever are about the same.
I would have to say the SKS would probably be better in every aspect.
But then Id also throw in a SOCOM II(short, more accurate, more powerfull, has a compensator for faster follow up shots etc) as being better in every aspect.... but that is definetly more than you need for deer hunting. DWS joke is applicable in this instance
detachable mags are superior, and the accuracy of an SKS and a regular 30-30 lever are about the same.
Why would detachable mags be superior? The .30-30win lever action rifle isn't really a tactical rifle, so why would you even consider that as a factor. Your talking two completely different type of rifles, totally straying from the original point of the post, the .30-30 cartridge. I don't think a dear will care how fast you can relaod... And I don't know what kinda SKS you've been shooting, but I haven't seen one yet that will group better than my Winchester 94.
The 7.62x39 just doesn't have the versatility the .30-30win has. There are so many factory cartridges and a huge range of reloading components for the .30-30win. Everything from .22cal sabots to 220gr RN. I just don't see how the 7.62x39 can be a superior cartridge. I think there is pretty much only two or three actual game loads commercially produced for it anyway.
first centerfire rifle i shot was a 30-30, but I really dont see the appeal of them.
Seems to me the 7.62x39 is balistically superior, detachable mags are superior, and the accuracy of an SKS and a regular 30-30 lever are about the same.
I would have to say the SKS would probably be better in every aspect.
But then Id also throw in a SOCOM II(short, more accurate, more powerfull, has a compensator for faster follow up shots etc) as being better in every aspect.... but that is definetly more than you need for deer hunting. DWS joke is applicable in this instance
Your statements above just prove how little you really know about either cartridge. The 30-30 Win is far superior to the 7.62x39 in every aspect. But since you won't believe me without the facts, here goes;
30-30 Factory load: 170 grain jacketed soft point bullet, muzzle velocity = 2200 fps, muzzle energy = 1827 fpe
7.62x39 Factory load: (Winchester) 123 grain jacketed bullet, muzzle velocity = 2365 fps, muzzle energy = 1527 (which is 300 fpe less than the 30-30 Win).
At 100 yards, the 170 grain 30-30 retains considerably more velocity and energy than the lighter 123 grain 7.62x39 does.
When the 30-30 Win is factory loaded with a 150 grain bullet, it generates 2390 fps and 1902 fpe.
The 7.62x39 with a 150 grain bullet is only capable of generating 2100 fps and 1469 fpe.
Now, to the casual observer, I would say that it is quite clear that the 30-30 Win is the far superior cartridge.
As for the accuracy question, when have you ever seen an SKS shoot a sub 1" 3-shot group at 100 yards? My 1906 vintage Model 1894 Takedown Rifle does it with ease.
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quote:Originally posted by Silverking
quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
quote:Originally posted by Silverking
Too much better stuff out there...
Like what?
.308
I think it is the fashion of hunters and not the cartridge that dictates what is "better stuff". All those millions of deer killed with the 30-30 or the 44-40 before that are laughing behind our backs. Out to 150 yards, "better stuff" is meaningless, else you can't hit crap anyway. Beyond 150 yards, I can think of cartridges older and better for the job that the .308 ( the .30-06 and even .300H&H come to mind). Perhaps what you mean to say is that there is "better stuff" for a scoped bolt action beyond 150 yards. That is certainly true, but it certainly does not mean the 30-30 is "dust in the wind".
The fashion of hunters based on what the magazine writers tell them.
I also like Kansas, so I did appreciate your turn of phrase, even though your premise is silly.
Interesting note: On opening day in Michigan, Michigan has a armed force thats top 10 in the world.
Trust me on this one...after about 4 months straight of only shooting an M16A2, I went home on leave and grabbed my 06 to throw a couple rounds downrange. The first shot would have knocked me off my feet if I hadn't been in the prone because I had grown accustom to the almost nonexistant recoil of my M16. Granted, I adjusted quickly, but my shoulder was still black and blue a week later. I think I fired about 20 150gr. rounds in less than a half hour that day. Probibly didn't help any that I used up my 12 ga turkey loads later that same day, but it was fun.
Keep your 30-30s. It's a great brush gun. If you hunt somewhere that you need a longer reach, then grab your .308s or 30-06s, or if you're one of the new school bunch, your .300 Mag.
Bingo!
As much as I love my $2600 modified Springfield M1A SOCOM 16 and my Savage 111C 30-06 bolt action, I honestly miss my Winchester 94. That was a very nice gun, but I traded it for my Savage. The Savage is a much better deer gun, but there's nothing like a 94 30-30 to teach people how to shoot a rifle. I plan on having kids someday, and I plan on teaching them about guns, and why they're good to have around. I wouldn't dream of putting a 30-06 in the hands of a kid in 6th or 7th grade and expect them to be able to want to fire more than 1 shot before being too injured by the recoil to not want anything to do with guns ever again.
Trust me on this one...after about 4 months straight of only shooting an M16A2, I went home on leave and grabbed my 06 to throw a couple rounds downrange. The first shot would have knocked me off my feet if I hadn't been in the prone because I had grown accustom to the almost nonexistant recoil of my M16. Granted, I adjusted quickly, but my shoulder was still black and blue a week later. I think I fired about 20 150gr. rounds in less than a half hour that day. Probibly didn't help any that I used up my 12 ga turkey loads later that same day, but it was fun.
Keep your 30-30s. It's a great brush gun. If you hunt somewhere that you need a longer reach, then grab your .308s or 30-06s, or if you're one of the new school bunch, your .300 Mag.
Well I guess I am lucky... I have Never shot a 30/30 or owned one. I started on a Model 70 Heavy barrel Winchester at age 10 in a 30/06 with a Unertl scope. It killed everything I shot at. Man was it heavy to carry..I wish I had that ol' gun back today. Dad sold it before he died.