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bar brawl tonight
0311marine
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tonight a guy started talking **** to my girlfreind, weve had problems with him in the past ,he's a drug dealer felon .he was freinds with w/ my girlfreinds ex roomate before she moved in w/ me we'll a few weeks ago before she moved out into my house ,this guy knocked a hole in her wall in at her apt.she called the cops on him and he got arrested ,so we saw him tonight while we we were out dancing ,he got into my girlfreinds face and started talking smack to her,as any respectful boyfreind would do,i stood up and got into his face and told him what was up and to not talk to my gf like that,i wasnt gonna hit him ,the bouncers broke us up i got sent to one side he got sent to the other,a few minutes passed by i tried calming myself down,then he gave me the bird and that was the last straw,he's the type of guy who he has his freinds fight for him,so i run across the bar after him his freinds tried to fight me ha,i had none of that i threw one into the cigarette machine and one into a wall i let all the aggression that i had built up in the last months into one punch and he was ko but the marine in me wouldnt stop or let go i straight out punished him ,it took 8 guys to pull me off of him,im not the type of guy who goes out and fights i dont like to fight but tonight it was all a blur all of my training hand to hand combat came out and i was moving it was like a blur i didnt even drink tonight,im still all rilled up and trying to calm myself down i think im gonna take a cold shower,
any of you former military members ever had this happen when all of your hand to hand training comes out and your moving and you have no control and its like a blur?
SEMPER FI
any of you former military members ever had this happen when all of your hand to hand training comes out and your moving and you have no control and its like a blur?
SEMPER FI
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Back when I was bouncing, I'm fairly certain that the presence of marines made the insurance reps cry. Gee, wonder why? [;)]
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SEMPER FI
You did the right thing. Turning the other cheek is fine when adults are involved, but yapping dogs need a proper application of the rolled-up newspaper to get the message. This guy was looking for a fight and you obliged him. I say good for you.
Now a word of caution. Little dicks like this are always on the lookout for payback. And if he can't get you, he'll try to get your girlfriend. If she doesn't possess a firearm, I would suggest you get her one. People like that aren't known for their sociability and the cops can't be everywhere at once.
As for you, it's obvious you can handle yourself, but folks don't always play fair. Watch yourself until you know it's safe.
And if this guy isn't the violent sort, but more of a loser/troublemaker, you probably needn't worry. But I'm paranoid at times, moreso at 2 in the morning...
SEMPER FI
You can't see me, my eyes are closed..
Lil' Stinker's Opinion
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Nice going!
... regardless if he "had it comming" or not
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Chance favors the prepared mind [8D]
kimberkid@cox.net
? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
"Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, not liberty to purchase power."
Benjamin Franklin, 1785
Taxation WITH representation isn't so hot either!
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I know where your coming from with this one. From one marine to another, semper fi! I was motivated reading that and it reminded me of the line training and hand-hand! It does not get any better than that!! Do what you gotta do. I got your 6 anytime! Blood makes the grass grow green!
"From this day to the ending of the world, we in it shall be remembered, we lucky few, we band of brothers, for he who today sheds his blood with me shall be my brother."
Henry V
When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
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All this over a girlfriend/ex-girlfriend,some way to get respect, huh?
"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878<P>
0311's description of the incident does not fit the bill for Domestic Violence--just assault. People with past assault charges get into the military and are subsequently handed M-16's all the time.
Either your definition of Domestic Violence is too narrow or mine is too broad ... if 2 kids can get in a fight on the school grounds and the initiator can be charged with Domestic Violence (a theoretical situation which I remember reading about when this ruling passed) ...
... then it could surely be applied to a guy sticking up for his g/f in a bar
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Chance favors the prepared mind [8D]
kimberkid@cox.net
? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
As far as the girlfriend thing goes, women can handle their own when it comes to verbal abuse. I pity the man that tries to trade insults with my wife.If it comes to blows you have to let the bozo have the first shot. Its a gimme and legally and morally allows you to physically DEFEND yourself or her.
Name calling and the like are meaningless noise coming from idiots.You cannot let people have that kind of control over you. They pull your chain and you jump. It is a weakness that can be used against you. You undoubtedly know better or you would have slugged your D.I. in boot. [Unless he was the quiet philosophical type] You have to be able to turn the switch off and on.Don't let anyone else do it.
Legally I doubt a convicted drug dealer is likely to press charges. Especially if he had just verbally threatened you and your girlfriend and then you saw him from across the bar reaching under his jacket/coat/shirt for what could have been a weapon.[;)] That and the fact that he had his "boys" with him should make it ok this one time.
Probably a good time for a move.
Big Daddy my heros have always been cowboys,they still are it seems
Although, what you describe sounded very familiar to events that have occurred in my past. Some of which I probably risked my entire future on. It was fun at the time, and I have to blame your impulsive conduct on youth. While sometimes I may feel like thrashing someone in dire need of it, now days I tend to step back and take it all in and not rush in blindly. I know I can handle myself, and like you whenever I did it in the past I surprised myself at the results. You have to harness this anger, because it is in this blind rage that the uncertain will happen. The other guy may die, or one of his buddies may slam a pool cue through the back of your skull. And I think we all know why you did what you did, and we know it wasn't because you wanted to impress a female. It was out of respect. Women just don't understand that, but most men are raised not to put up with that type of conduct, and if our sisters, mother, or girl friends are exposed to it then we take action. In your case it would have been called an assault, and depending on the other guys injury you could have been cited with aggravated assault too.
Sounds like you may need some anger management training?[:D]
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Thanks for clearing that up for me ... as stated, it was a theoretical situation which I remembered reading about.
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Chance favors the prepared mind [8D]
kimberkid@cox.net
? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
Today you'd be charged with some level of assault and be very lucky if you didn't do some jail time. Life isn't near as much fun as it used to be.[xx(]
Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
Just a little snippet from a novel I wrote. Buell feels his father has been threatened.
Buell told him what he had overheard in the livery. He also told him about how vicious the fight between Simon and David had been.
"I can see your problem, Buell. Don't rightly know what to tell you." Lacey took his hat off and scratched his head as he thought.
Buell watched, and waited.
After a couple of minutes silence, Lacey said, "Man sticks a smokepole in your kisser, ain't a lot a thinking to do, you just do what you have to. Now, this'er looks like a threat but you can't be sure, and shooting a feller when you ain't sure has gotta be dead wrong. I reckon what I'd do is to ask the feller straight out and be ready to ride 'im if'n he bucks."
"Just tell him I think he's up to no good?"
"Yep. And another thing. Do it where you ain't got to account to nobody."
"You mean no witnesses?"
"That's what I said. And if'n it comes to it, best not to be hauling out no pistol. The hub end of half a wagon spoke will generally get their attention and it ain't so perm'nent." Lacey settled his hat back on his head.
"Thanks Lacey. I figgered you'd probably seen something like this before. But I thought you would be more likely to, well, you know, show 'em your gun."
"Gun's only gonna get you more trouble, Buell. Don't never think this here Colt will fix your problem. It won't. Have it handy and know how to use it, but you only draw 'er out when you're sure and can't see no other way." Lacey looked directly into Buell's eyes.
Lacey could have been an old Marine. Don't be so quick to cap-off 311.
Clouder..
The kid now has a fourth degree assualt conviction, got to do 100 hours of community service and got to fork out about $800.00 for an anger management class.
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It is a shame that the laws have changed to where they are now, if you look at somebody wrong you are going to court. Some don't like fighting, some do. Is it right or wrong? Depends on who you talk to.
This is one of the many reasons I quit drinking and hanging out at bars. That crap hurts the next day[V]
Lowrider, it's guys like you why I have a crooked nose and a mouth full of messed up teeth[:D] The more whiskey I drank, the bigger and badder I got, then it was time to look for the barroom tough guy and try to knock him down a peg, never worked [:D][:D] I can honestly say that the majority of fights I lost, are the ones I started while drunk. I'm sure glad those days are over.
0311marine, you did what you had to do, hope all works out for you in the end.
Politicians are like diapers, every so often you need to change them, for obvious reasons.
So what part of what you did is supposed to impress a woman?...
You can't see me, my eyes are closed..
Lil' Stinker's Opinion
No, its obvious that he did it out of respect for her, like he said, because he cares for her and hes not gonna let some guy treat her with disrepect.
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Times have changed. Violent reactions to non threatening stimuli have not been acceptable behavior for a long time and they carry greater potential consequences and penalties with every passing day. Just look at the court cases where people are seriously penalized for actions of true self defense. If you can't control your reaction to such stimuli, for your own good you need to one or both of these things: (a) not put yourself in environments where such are likely to occur and (b) learn to use common sense in dealing with them.
I do understand why you reacted. Forty or so years ago, I would have done the same damn thing. I am not really criticizing you for reacting as you did - in a society which did not coddle these vermin, your actions might well be applauded. But the sad fact is that unless you don't mind finding yourself in the situation Josey 1 described - in which case you truly *do* need some professional help - you need to give some serious thought to why this event occurred and how to avoid it in the future. You are worth far more than some scumbag drug dealer - to yourself, to your loved ones and to society. I've found that obvious contempt is as satisfactory as breaking a nose and far more painful to the recipient. Good luck with the current situation; I hope you come out of it unscathed.