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C&R License
BR549OU812
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I have a Krag rifle dated 1901 on stock. Can I ship it to a C&R License person. Thank You
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Had a dealer who told me he got burnt by a C&R but wouldn't tell me how. Then he backed out of a offer he had taken on a gun, after a FFL and Checks were sent.
Of all the guns I have purchased on line I have returned one. The gun sent was not the gun advertised, even the wrong caliber. I have sold only three guns in the last 5 years and that was to upgrade guns I have in my collection
I would just like to know what kind of problems dealers have with C&R buyers.
A gun does not have to be 50 years old to be a C&R gun. There is a list of guns that the C&R license applies to in the C&R manual on line.
Do you have to keep everything you acquire using a C&R separate from what you already own?
I just wonder if it's more trouble than it's worth, that's all?
In advance, thanks for your input/help. [:)]
I also wonder about the people who insist handguns be shipped FFL to FFL. That needlessly raises the shipping costs.
When they come to get your GUNS, make sure to give them the AMMO first!!!
Please provide link if you know.
Thanks for the help
Thanks
Todd
Also, some dealers refuse to accept C&R licenses or are simply ignorant of the law.
That FFL is trying to pork you.
That was my first thought...[:0]
Not all dealers will ship a C & R gun to a C & R licensee. And there is no law that requires them to do so. It is up to the discrepancy of the FFL. In that case the C & R holder has no choice but to get the C & R firearm through a FFL.
OK, that makes sense...but they CAN ship to a C&R, if they will. As long as the weapon in question is legal where it is going...
And, yes, the FFL to whom you spoke was attempting to give you manual relief.
Neal
quote:Originally posted by armilite
Not all dealers will ship a C & R gun to a C & R licensee. And there is no law that requires them to do so. It is up to the discrepancy of the FFL. In that case the C & R holder has no choice but to get the C & R firearm through a FFL.
OK, that makes sense...but they CAN ship to a C&R, if they will want to . As long as the weapon in question is legal where it is going...
Not all dealers will ship a C & R gun to a C & R licensee. And there is no law that requires them to do so. It is up to the discrepancy of the FFL. In that case the C & R holder has No choice but to get the C & R firearm through a FFL.
Actually the do. Buy from someone else.
First, it is not a license to "engage in the business" of buying and selling ANY firearm. It is to aid you in collecting.
With the exception of state limitations, if I purchase a C&R firearm, it can be shipped directly to me.
If I buy one from a local dealer, I give him a signed copy of my license and the money, and we are done with paperwork at the shop. I DO have to keep a "bound volume" of guns that I acquire and dispose of. No 4473, no background check. Elapsed time 15 seconds. 2 of my local shops have a copy on file.
If I am at a show in another state, find a nice Colt Woodsman pistol, I CAN buy it and take delivery of it in that other state. An unlicensed person cannot acquire a handgun in another state.
I have 3 wholesalers (AIM is one) that have a copy of my license on file- as does Brownells and Numrich. Its as much fun as an old man can have for $30 that does not involve an embarrassing visit to your doctor and antibiotics.
There are a number of dealers that do not know what a C&R is, and that do not want to do business with a C&R. Their business, their choice. My money, MY choice.
#1 a C&R is an FFL. A type 03 FFL
#2 a type 03 FFL does not verify through the EZ Check system because almost all of them have their home address on the license and the ATF does not want to reveal personal data.
#3 Type 01 and 02 FFLS often feel that 03 are their competition and will not ship to them.
So as an 03 FFL (C&R) ask before bidding will you ship to me? If the seller is a problem child and says no then dont bid. Let support know so that we can attempt to educate him and/or remove him from the network.
Not all dealers will ship a C & R gun to a C & R licensee. And there is no law that requires them to do so. It is up to the discrepancy of the FFL. In that case the C & R holder has no choice but to get the C & R firearm through a FFL.
Actually he does have a choice. Buy the gun from an FFL holder that's not stupid or arrogant.
I get this a lot so lets go with the standard response.
#1 a C&R is an FFL. A type 03 FFL
#2 a type 03 FFL does not verify through the EZ Check system because almost all of them have their home address on the license and the ATF does not want to reveal personal data.
#3 Type 01 and 02 FFLS often feel that 03 are their competition and will not ship to them.
So as an 03 FFL (C&R) ask before bidding will you ship to me? If the seller is a problem child and says no then dont bid. Let support know so that we can attempt to educate him and/or remove him from the network.
Excellent...TYVM
I have ran into a few people in California that do not realize that handguns that do qualify as C&R items still have to go to an FFL. It can depend on your area too.
In addition to the handgun restriction a CA issued "Certificate of Eligibility" is required for C & R eligible long guns. The C & R is by itself not sufficient to have the long gun shipped direct to the holder. Although the C & R is by itself sufficient when physically buying out of state - which is why I'm driving to Reno this weekend.
When I ask a seller on GB if they accept a C&R I phrase it this way....... "This gun was made in 19xx so is C&R eligible. Will you accept a C&R with a completely matching photo ID, my drivers license?" Most do, some don't. But I think phrasing it that way seems to help. Just FWIW.
Why do you feel the need to send a copy of your drivers license?
As the capt. has said a few times, sending a copy of your D.L. is not required when using a c&r license. Any seller that states that they want my D.L., will not get my business. (no offense ricci wright)
I have been refused by several FFL's who said "I can't verify who you are, like I can with an FFL on EZ-Check." But, usually, when I offer to send a photocopy of my DL, they say "OK, that makes sense." Now, when I make copies of my C&R, I just put my DL over the bottom part of the form.
Yes, you & the Capt are right, a DL copy is not required. But, if a seller refuses to ship to me with just my C&R, I can't force him to accept it.
Neal
2. I've heard FFL dealers lie to and about C&R people and their licenses.
3. I've had other FFL dealers lie to me about what we can and cannot do.
4. Ditto on the kudos to AIM Surplus. I've bought from them many times.