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Look at this auction and answer this question....

robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
edited June 2002 in General Discussion
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=4205554

How is it this gun is a 30-06 when it doesnt appear to have been rebarreled, and no mention of it is made? Have any of you heard of a 1909 Argentine being rebarreled to 30-06, and left in original configuration? Thats just weird. The price isnt bad, I'd like to have it, but I'm not sure what I'd be buying.

SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • roysharoysha Member Posts: 749 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't believe it is all original. As I recall the 1909 was chambered for a 7.65 caliber which would nominally be 30 cal. I would bet a dollar to a stale doughnut, that it has been rechambered to 30-06, probably to make ammo more readily available. Generally speaking, the 1909 is a little bit shorter action and would probably limit seating extremely long bullets out where they belong. Really not a problem unless you were to use some of the VLD match type bullets.
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  • DupontDupont Member Posts: 129 ✭
    edited November -1
    Approx. 3 years ago I gave my father an old 98 mauser in 8mm. the barrel was so bad it was like shooting a shot gun! He bought a barrel that was claimed to be a factory take off new in the cosmoline in 30-06. The barrel was as stated. Screwed right on, adjusted the head space and is now one of the most accurate rifles he has ever owned!
    BTW there were no markings to the origins of this barrel!
    Not really sure about the 1909's, other than I have never seen one in 30-06!

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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just wanted to make sure I wasnt overlooking something. I know the 1909 Argentine is 7.65x53, and to the best of my knowledge there has never been a 1909 manufactured in 30-06. I dont know what to make of the condition of the gun, thats what is puzzling, it looks original, even how the barrel is worn from looking at the finish. Thanks for the info. on the chambering length, I was wondering how it could be chambered in 30-06 on that action, is it possbible to shoot a 7.62 bullet through a 7.65 and still get good accuracy, maybe that is what has been done.

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    Peru, Isreal, Brazil, Belgium and Columbia had 98's chambered in 30-06. Couldn't find anything on the Argentine in 30-06.

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  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Member Posts: 5,378 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think when some of these guns were imported pre 68, some were rechambered by just dropping a reamer in them. If that's the case They would still be very overbore. The 7.65 mauser uses .311 bore just like the .303 brit. I can go back into my vintage magazine reference library if you really want to know for sure.

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  • bullelkbullelk Member Posts: 679 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Seems to me, I recall hearing or seeing some foreign military rifles chambered for the 30-06. I thought they were the Argentine or something like that. I think aglore hit it right.
    Gino

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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    Only thing that bothers me is the caliber designation is stamped with a different type and apparently at a later date that the rest of the markings.

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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    woodsrunner,
    Thanks, you dont have to do that, I think I already made my mind up that it would be in my best interest to pass on this one. I'm just such a fan of the 1909 action that it is really tempting. I love the action on mine, I hate admiting that its probably the smoothest action I have on a bolt action rifle, and its probably followed by my piece of crap savage, which I hate liking.

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nunn, yep, I noticed that one too, thats how I figure its the original barrel rechambered like roysha stated hed bet it is. Its probably most definitely overbored for the 30-06, not that it would really bother me, its just that I dont need a fourth 06 bad enough to get this Argentine, as much as I like the action of them.

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • FUBARFUBAR Member Posts: 175 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My books say that there were "about 150,000 of these rifles issued in various configurations and the majority of these were manufactured in Argentina at FMAP DM Rosario".

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