Is your Priest gay?

Hans Grueber

I've been watchin' and keepin' track of how this Catholic church scandal is unfolding. I gotta say it really scares me to think that so many of these "morally upstanding" people have been suspected of molesting children. I'm not sure but I think I heard the Pope say that 3% of all the worlds Catholic churches have admitted sexual abuse problems. 3%!!!, I'm sure theres thousands of Catholic churches in this counrty alone. To me 3% is appaulling, any amount is, and it makes me think...... 3% is probabaly more like 23% and thats just of whats admitted. Also that its not just the Catholic church that has these problems. So to all those out there who are involved with a church in any way, take a closer look at your own Priest or whatever they happen to be called in your church. The guilty ones are truly "wolves in sheeps clothing" praying on the truly innocent. I would hate to see more of these supposed humans get away with such terrible crimes. -Hans

scott5792

Seems to me . It's not that they are gay.It's that they are molesters. plenty of them(molesters) out there married with children.I think we all have the cure for the child molester in the forums here. Scott

scott5792

no reply hans? Scott

twins

If a guy is raping boys, he is gay, and since there children, nut him...with a bandsaw or a zip tie. Just make sure he dies slow and painful.The problem is the Catholic church has been paying people to keep their mouths shut and just moving the pedophiles to other churches.

cpileri

In 3 decaded 5 parishes in 4 states, i have yet to meet a priest of any faith who is a molesting pervert.Sure, if someone were- he wouldn't get far if he touched my boy.But its another case of the media doing what it does best: mislead people; this time into believing a bigger problem than there is.And as a society, it has sadly become OK to Christian-bash (Catholic-bashing is particularly acceptable). Everyone is just capitalizing on it.Keep in mind: one bad apple ruins the bunch.

---

Suffer Not This King

---

Howso' great their clamour, whatso'er their claim, Suffer not the old King under any name! He shall mark our goings, question whence we came, Set his guards about us, as in Freedom's name. He shall take a tribute; toll of all our ware; He shall change our gold for arms--arms we may not bear. He shall break his Judges if they cross his word; He shall rule above the Law calling on the Lord. He shall peep and mutter; and the night shall bring Watchers 'neath our windows, lest we mock the King-- Hate and all divisions; hosts of hurrying spies; Money poured in secret; carrion breeding flies. Strangers of his counsel, hirelings of his pay, These shall deal our Justice: sell--deny--delay. We shall drink dishonour, we shall eat abuse, For the Land we look to--for the Tongue we use. We shall take our station, dirt beneath his feet, while his hired captains jeer us in the street. R. Kipling

beachmaster73

cpileri....10 X-Rings!!! Brilliant response and spot on!!! The Kipling poem was just icing on the cake. My hat's off to you. Beach

TrinityScrimshaw

As a young child I was raised Catholic. We went to a rahter large Church in Houston Texas named Mt Carmel. Some of my favorite people back then were the priest who I admired and looked up to. I never heard of anything like this ever happening when I attended the Church. I must say that even if it had happened, I would have been shilded from it. My parents were the type who felt that what ever the priest did was OK, and they would never have challenged it. If something like this had ever occurred it would have been made out to appear as if it was my fault. I can remember once during a Sunday mass I had to get up and go to the bathroom. I had to leave the Church building and walk around back to the area where the priest and alterboys got ready. As I entered the room there was a priest standing there, and he just staretd slamming his plams into my chest while pushing me outside. He thought I was an alterboy comming in late, and he wasn't going to let me enter the Church. I braced myself at the door, and told him I wasn't an alterboy, that I only wanted to use the bathroom. A look came over his face as if to say "Ooops", and he directed me towards the bathroom. When I returned to where my family was sitting I had tears in my eyes and my mother asked me what had happened. When I told them they just let it be. I guess they felt I deserved what I got if it came from a priest. Nothing more was ever said about it. So I can only wonder what they would have done if he had molested me?Trinity+++ [This message has been edited by TrinityScrimshaw (edited 04-02-2002).]

beachmaster73

Trinity....I got hit in the back of the head by Padre for nipping some of the communion wine when I was a young alterboy. He said I was stealing(which I was I guess), whacked me again, and then told me he was going to inform my parents...he did. My dad was waiting for me at home after Mass with his belt....It was a really crappy day!!! But it cured me of stealing! Now some civil liberties type would say the Padre had no right to whack me upside the head! Now the ACLU would probably file suit against the Catholic Church for head molestation!!! Me I'm thankful for the whacks I took...Padre knew what he was doing and in all those years no priest ever asked to see my ding-a-ling! BeachP.S. I think the news media has too much time on their hands. Beach

mcneely77

I agree with Beach. As a life long catholic, I have never experienced, nor heard of any misdealings with the churches in our area. I would never defend anyone who even thought of doing some of the things pedophiles do, but remember that priests are men, just like the banker who is a pedophile, or the trucker, the cop etc. It is more shocking when it is a man of the cloth, but the key word is man. Not all postmen are pedophiles, or plumbers. The media has blown this way out of perportion. The media would love for all of us to get scared and leave the church, keep our kids at home in front of the T.V. Don't give in. Get to know your priest or pastor, just as you would your sons soccer coach. Keep the Faith! I didn't mean to give a sermon.

idsman75

First of all, the numbers and the percentages of pedophiles (let's call em what they are) in the Catholic Church reflect the average number/percentages from the rest of society. This is something that can't be cured with jail time or counseling although I'm sure both are in order. Pedophilia is quite a bit like alcoholism. The craving to taste the forbidden fruit will always be there no matter how long they are locked away and no matter how many shrinks they see. Sadly enough, there are more pedophiles walking around you every day. You just don't know it. There is a book being published soon by the University of Minnesota Press that is pro-pedophile. The author of the book doesn't call it "pedophilia". She calles it "trans-generational sex" and claims that it is absolutely normal and healthy for people of all ages to engage in this activity. Society is dressing up our daughters in g-strings and hip-hugger jeans before they are teens (thanks Britney Spears) and our nation's most respected institutions are either remaining silent or are supporting it. It's sick. It's wrong. Would you have guessed 50 years ago that it would have been okay for gay couples to adopt in this day and age? Probably not. Just wait. That which was once fringe when it comes to our sexuality is now mainstream and widely accepted by society.

Gordian Blade

We did have some of this problem in my area now coming to light. I agree it's probably been overblown by the media. However, don't you think the church hierarchy needs to take some lumps for trying to sweep the problem under the rug? Especially when they reassigned the same people elsewhere? The priests involved committed felonies and should not have been shielded. In many cases, the statute of limitations has expired. Individual people are fallible, but this was a failure of the larger organization. People have a right to expect better from an organization purporting to uphold Christian and family ideals.

thunderbolt

Personally, I couldn't have faith in ANY church that ordained gay priests. God showedhis judgement on homosexuality when he overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

scott5792

"in all my years, I never"well guess what .it's been happening for decades.Good god people open your eyes.It isn't just the media bringing this on. It's the church moving the molesting priest around the country to molest again and again.I never was molested by my catholic priest. But to say it's the media>Come on.Scott

beachmaster73

OK Scott lets take it one step at a time again. We have a trucker in my town who has been molesting little boys. Do I teach my son that all truckers are pedophiles? Of course not. The unique demands placed on Catholic priests of all Christian ministers, i.e. no nucky, no touchy forever are tough. Does it mean that perhaps some perverted persons are drawn to the priesthood, perhaps? That being a Catholic priest until very recently meant you were bullet-proof, at least in the eyes of your congregation, might have drawn a few more.Because of the unique demands of the priesthood it has been tough in these more tolerant and less religious times to draw men to the calling of the priesthood. Wish it was different...but too many movies out there showing how much fun sex is...Most Catholic(as well as Protestant) guys want to just get out there and procreate!! That said anyone using the trust and sanctity of their position to hurt children should be punished and punished hard. I think some of these perverted priests or alleged perverted priests were diverted to positions within the church in which they had limited or no contact with parishioners, thus freeing another priest for parish duties. Unfortunately the priest crunch in the church is so extreme that some of these perverts managed to work their way back into positions where they had that contact with parishioners. There may not have been a method within the church of tracking a pervert through three or four position changes. They may have relied on the man's word(Yeah I know..BIG MISTAKE!!) It is indeed sad and I wish there was a way that married guys after having kids and getting a little tired of the physical side of boffing momma could take a vow of celibacy and offer their services to the church....that won't happen soon but I wish it would. I think I'd make a great priest...could you imagine me giving a sermon of the sanctity of the Second Amendment?? It would be a thing of beauty but I digress. In its own way this is similar to the scandals that rocked many TV evangelists years ago when they were accussed of boffing every cute girl in the choir. Does that mean that every TV evangelist was a choir girl boffer? Of course not but it sure made it tough on donations for a while....and some of them got some really ugly singers for a long time afterwards! And scott the media does love controversy...it sells newspapers and advertising time....the more sensational the more sales....It's kind of like going after a sitting president when he's getting Bjers in the Oval Office. I'm sure that more than one president has received those favors but the press got a lot of mileage out of Billy boy's private life. Thunderbolt...the position of the Catholic Church has alway been that homosexual conduct is a sin. And it's not to be tolerated. I'm certain the church had no idea when those faggots were ordained that they were faggots or they would not have been ordained. I don't know why they were not defrocked when their abhorent sexual behavior was discovered and of course the Church is paying through the nose for it now. I hope it survives this latest challenge. Beach

Big Sky Redneck

Beach, you want to talk about the media stirring up a hornets nest. Did you hear on the news this morning that Saddam is calling for an oil embargo? Dizzy blonde haired dingbat on Fox News trying to start a country wide panic talking about even and odd gas days and rations.

beachmaster73

Wonderful response, Saxon Pig. All the more so because of your own ideas regarding religion that you've shared with us. Thank you. Beach

TrinityScrimshaw

I do not hold the Media in contempt for the recent situation with the Catholic Church. I kind of look at it as God's way of correcting a wrong. The Church has been looking the other way for far to long. The problem with priest who are pedophiles has been ongoing for quite sometime. It's like the great fat one Rosie O'Donnel, everyone knew she was what she was, but it was not spoken about very much. Now the Media has an angle on it, and they are doing their job. In Law Enforcement we have learned that pedophiles tend to migrate towards ocupations where they can be close to children. The Boy Scouts, Little League, Church Youth Group Leaders are just some of their favorite areas, as is the Priesthood. It shouldn't surprise anyone when one of these pepole are caught, and it is discovered that they worked with children. It is why the Boy Scouts fight so hard to keep homosexual's out of their leadership postions. They know they will be liable in the long run, and they also know that it is not right! Just like Rosie being the example of the best gay parent. their shouldn't be such a thing, never, ever! And God doesn't want it so close to him, and he has started to clean house there first.Did anyone catch the O'Rielly Factor on FOX News last night. Bill had an ACLU attorney on who was defending NAMBLA's right promote their cause. NAMBLA is a crimminal illegal organization that promotes sex with children. I wonder if the ACLU would deffend Ben Laden's right to say and do what he did? Something is badly out of line in America today. What was once bad is now good, and what was once wrong is now right. This is why I feel God is doing some spring cleaning. I saw a qoute a while back that to me made a lot of since, and I will use it here. I'm not sorry if it offends anyone."JESUS IS COMMING AND MAN IS HE PI$$ED"Trinity+++

scott5792

I wasn't pointing a finger at the church.It was poted above that only gay men are molesting.(well that's what I read) I disagree. it's Not just the gays.The media ok you are right about a mountain out of a mole hill But the fact that the churches moved them around the country to molest elswhere. should be as accoutable as the priest.I'm not much on churches. as I feel you can be as near to god at home. and not have to give money to the church.The churches around here are building $300,000 churches on $500000 land.hmmmm. non profit comes to mind.That is a lot of money for the area I'm in. It's growing and all. But sheesh. That's big moneyYet,I move away from that subject. As religion is one persons personal choice.No molester should be allowed to pray on our children. NONE.Very good reply from you though.Thank you.Scott

scott5792

Trinity,You say homosexuals are the main concern. I have to disagree.Most of the molesters we see around here are married,not gay. If you are willing to molest a child.There's something else wrong other than just blaming it on homosexuality.The same laws that protect NAMBLA, also protect other normal groups.(correct me if I'm wrong) A molester of children will do so, reguarless of strait or gay.Scott

Big Sky Redneck

Child molestation is an act far worse than murder. When murdered it is over for the victim, the victim will now be laid to rest and will suffer no more. But when a child is molested that child is violated, that child is turned into an adult right now. Depending on the age it can have extremely devastating effects on the mind. When someone rapes a child that person takes all that's pure and innocent and robs it from them. Not only is that person assaulting the child he is also burglurizing that childs body and mind. Something that child will never have again, lost forever to another mans perverted lust. It will take years for that person who used to be a child but now forced into adulthood to recover from this barbaric act. If recovery ever comes. The man that does this to a child needs punishment far far greater than a murderer. That man is no longer a man, he is an animal, a predator, a beast, the Devil. He needs treated as such. No matter what that man did for a living, it no longer matters. I don't care if he was a priest or a plumber, he needs severe punishment. Anyone who harbors him shall be just as quilty and shall be punished the same.

TrinityScrimshaw

scott5792, Where did I ever say homosexuals are the main concern? Those are your words not mine. I only used them as an example as to why the Boy Scouts have fought so hard to keep them out of leadership positions. Had they not done so, and a child was assaulted by a leader who was gay or a pedophile, they would be liable for a law suit. Look at what is happening with the Catholic Church right now. They hid the fact that they had a problem, and now it has come back to haunt them. The Boy Scouts do not hide their problems, and have won in the US Supreme Court for the right to exclude homosexuals from their ranks as leaders. Pedophilia is a crime. It has yet to be as accpeted as being gay has become. "NO LAW" should ever protect a criminal group such as NAMBLA except the right to remain silent! These clowns are the scum of the earth, and if their rights are what our servicemen are defending, and placing theirselves in harms way for, then America is going down hill fast.Trinity+++

scott5792

trinity and saxon.When have you ever been asked your sexual preferance to get a job?And thank you saxon. that was how it sounded to me(lumped together) sorry if I misunderstood trinity.Scott

idsman75

Well, in our liberal society you will not always hear the truth about sexuality unless it has a liberal slant. There are experts (such as the ones that get paid hundreds of dollars an hour to instruct child abuse investigations courses..ahem..TS) that feel homosexuality is a deviant lifestyle not far down the road from pedophelia. We shouldn't group the two together but we shouldn't ignore indicators for the sake of being politically correct.TrinityScrimshaw is correct. There are certain indicators of possible pedophelia. The single guy who volunteers for every child-related activity under the sun who has an entire library of Walt Disney films is a good start. It's profiling but there is no other way to protect children. Pedophilia is much more common than most think or would care to admit. In all likelihood, you probably know one or two yourself and don't even know it.

scott5792

So we should watch out for the baseball coaches,all team sports, the ice cream guy. the police officers, and all of us into that group, idsmenHowever I like the single guy with kid videos as a real good give away. I am 32 yrs old and have most here. And a whole lotta Simpsons, etc. It's just films.If this guy is having 20 kids at his house for a sleepover. Somethings going on . but not the single guy and the videos.I'm that guy LOL and I'm not a molester. I would like to have the job of curing the molesters. Want to help reload ScottI'm not sure exactly how to pick out the pedofile out of the crowd. Until they get caught. The fact that people will not hire someone because for no other reason than they are gay. is wrong. But I guess in todays society. Guilty til proven innocent.a person being gay or not. Has nothing to do with them being that deviant we are talking about.ScottScott

idsman75

scott--I didn't post that message with the purpose of giving a whole class on child abuse investigations. I'm probably not qualified to do that. I never said that single guys who collect Disney films are child molesters. I mentioned that there are profiles that exist. Profiling involves generalizations. When the sky turns dark and the clouds start swirling I take shelter. Does that mean there's a tornado brewing? Not necessarily. However, I'm not going to stand around and wait.

scott5792

I kind of understood where you were coming from.But as I said. that guy is me. Now I have to wonder if that's how people see me.I never thought about it because I'm no molester .see my point? LMAOthis has turned into a good thread.Thanks for the replyScott

TrinityScrimshaw

Dang Guys,SaxonPig, & Scott5792, you guys must work for the media. Your taking what I said out of context. It's not about lumping both groups together. I only made the example of how strong the Boy Scouts battled their problem, and yes I feel it was a problem. The Church didn't do that with ether group, and yes their are both groups in the Church.Are you trying to pull my personal beliefs out into the open? Because if you are I am not afraid to tell you right up front that I am not very "TOLERANT" with ether group. Child molisters being the extream. What two consenting adults want to do behind a closed door in their own home is their problem, and I need not concern myself with it. But, don't come and toss it in my face, and expect to get me to hire you because you feel you are a special group of people who need protected. To be fired over you sexual preferance is wrong. To be refused employement by someone because of it is not.I feel it should be up to the employer. If it is a small private business the owner should have all the say in the world who is hired or not. I do not hate the sinner I just hate the sin, and if that sin is committed on a child, then the person should be taken out and a bullet should be put in their brain. This applies to both groups if a child is involved or hurt. I bet your glad I'm not a Judge? Fact is, it is not my place to judge and I'm try not to, but when it is thrown in my face daily I get sick of it. I have seen the extream, and I have seen the children who have been hurt, and the famlies destroyed. The case in San Diago is a good example. These scum think they should be protected? They should be put in a round room with the famlies of the children they have hurt, and let them beat the crap out of them. An eye for an eye! And yes I would suspect someone such as Idsman75 described. If you fit that profile you may want to reconsider your life style? Sorry if I offend, but I guess that is just my Christian, Southern Redneck way thinking of things. (Typed with teeth clinched)Trinity+++[This message has been edited by TrinityScrimshaw (edited 04-02-2002).]

scott5792

To be fired over you sexual preferance is wrong. To be refused employement by someone because of it is not.that would be a direct contradiction, wouldn't it?I work as a mechanic on xray film processors. Not the media " Sorry if I offend, but I guess that is just my Christian, Southern Redneck way thinking of things."this sentence sums up your intolerance of others choices. Sorry trinity.you and I both know that looks tell nothing. All profiling does is make you guilty for wearing your shirt wrong,driving while black, etc.Which in my opinion is the wrong way to go.We are already guilty til we prove otherwise. how much more of your rights are you willing to give up.and it still not stop this problem?Just because I look a certain way, does not mean I'm a target for someones prejudises.Scott

idsman75

I see we are meandering into the debate over profiling. If your 5-year-old daughter is lost in the middle of the food court at the mall, from whom do you suggest that she seeks help? Are you going to tell her to go to the first 6-foot-tall guy with a beard clad in black leather and chains? No. Are there groups like "Bikers for Christ"? Yes there are. Do you want her to risk that? Probably not. More than likely you are going to tell her to go up to the sweetest old lady she sees--possibly one that resembles grandma--and ask HER for help. Why? Because that is the profile of the person that is least likely to do harm to your young daughter. It is a natural self-defense mechanism when dealing with the unknown. I guarantee you there are pedophiles that you meet on a daily basis but you don't know who they are. You may even be close to a pedophile. Just because a pedophile has sick cravings and tendencies doesn't mean he is a bad person. It is just like alcoholism. Just because someone is an alcoholic doesn't mean they are a drunk. I met a very educated 40-year-old alcoholic who hasn't touched alcohol in over 20 years. He teaches classes at one of the tribal colleges nearby. I would have never guessed he was an alcoholic until he told me. All of this molestation occurred behind closed doors. Nobody suspected it for the most part. Profiling the predator is often the only way to stay safe and to keep your kids safe.And yes, there are profiles for pedophiles that fit over and over again after their pedophilia is discovered.

scott5792

Well if you decide to profile someone like this. Do not be suprised if they tell you a few things too. I still see no point in saying . that guy looks guilty, let's get him.Can not agree on the profile aspect.Scott

offeror

I was wondering why the question was phrased this way, and assumed I was going to find it had something to do with molesting. I don't know all the current statistics, but the idea that gays molest because they are gay went out with the dark ages.Molesters of little boys and little girls come in all persuasions, and are sometimes but not always attracted to jobs where they will have contact with kids, whether in churches, child care, parks, counseling, teaching, whatever. Since the Catholic clergy is all men and marriage is disallowed it is not surprising that gay men would find priesthood a less problematic lifestyle. I assume there is some of this in reverse among nuns, but I don't know. Molesting is a separate issue. Let's not confuse the two. Teachers have been known to molest. Strangers have been known to molest in bus stations. Parents have been known to molest at home. Whether the molesting happens to be same-sex or opposite-sex makes no difference to the little kid who gets molested. And all molesters should be treated with equal vigor under the law. I don't find Daddy any less monstrous than a gay priest. In fact, Daddy is more monstrous because the child is his own little girl (or boy).

scott5792

offeror,I have to concur with that.well said.Scott

twins

Call them what you want but ANYONE who has sex with someone of the same gender is gay, that does not preclude that the victim is gay, just the attacker. What some are trying to say is since they are boys its just RAPE by a pedophile and they (the pedophile) are not gay. I do not believe that because someone is gay they will prey on children. But I do believe that men who rape boys are gay. Wouldn't they be raping females if they were not? As far as the BSA, way to go. I have been affiliated with the BSA for over 10 years and I have no problem with their policy. And YES SAXON, they are very concerned with the safety of the boys, two deep leadership is mandated and it is for the protection of the boys as well as the adults. Their policy makes perfect sense and I'm glad they have the intestinal fortitude to say what they believe is right. As an Eagle Scout and Cub Master I personally think they have a great program. The BSA to my knowledge, does not use public money, they do use schools for meetings when a school charters a pack, lots use churches and private organizations such as The Moose lodge, Eagles, churches, etc... Considering all of the CRAP in schools today its nice to have something as positive as the BSA in schools. THE BSA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATION. The BSA simply states that whatever "God" you believe in, that you be active in that belief. They DO NOT push a Christian agenda by any means. That does not go to say that Troops, Packs, Venturers, Sea Bases and Explorers who are chartered by such organizations cannot express those views within their groups. Its not uncommon to have a prayer at a Blue & Gold or pack meetings etc...

TrinityScrimshaw

Scott5792, Sorry if I offend you, but my absence of political correctness is fully intended here.I will type this as slow as I can in hopes you do not read between the lines. Then you shouldn't have to repeat what I'm saying here, because I have already typed it. (Sarcasm added).As I stated above, yes I am intolerant. I am not intolerant of all, just some. The key word here is "Intolerant". It has become the favorite term to use by the pro-homsexual agenda to describe someone who does not agree with their life style. It is kind of like the phrase "Assault Rifle"; it too is an arbitrary name of distinction placed on certain type of firearms so as to place them in a bad light. Intolerance is being used in the same manner now.I am intolerant of criminals who prey on the elderly, children, women, and the unsuspected. There is a vast range of differnt crimes that I am intolernat of. There isn't a liberal bone in my body, and I guess I am intolerant of them too. Now by this I do not mean that I would not do right by them. I would invetsigate a crime committed against them as I would anyone else. Like homosexual's, they are a part of this human race and are American just like everyone else who lives in this country. I do not not fall in with the popular line of thinking that any crime committed against them is a "Hate Crime". If anyone is murdered, it is a hate crime. The person who committed the act had to have enough hate in their heart at the time they did the act. Even crimes of passion are hate filled at the time they are committed. This does not apply to manslaughter situations.I wear my badge of intolerance proudly and with honor. I see no shame in it. If I investigate a social harm I go about it with a vengeance. You should expect this of Law Enforcment; it should be demanded of them.Like I stated above, and typed with sarcasm intended, if someone is fired from an existing job because of his or her sexual preference, it's wrong. This is not a contradiction to a privately owned Mom & Pop business having the right to hire anyone they want to. No one should be able to tell them how many and what kind of a person they should hire. If someone doesn't like it then they can always take the buisness to Court, and cause them to be closed down. This will happen beacuse they probably couldn't afford to defend themselves. It happens every dy in America. (More sarcasm added).It sounds as if you have bought off on the ever popular ACLU & the Media' spin on profiling? If you only knew how often you were profiled, and for what reasons it would amaze you. You get certain types of Spam E-mail, because somewhere someone has profiled you. I hope you do not block them, that would be intolerant of you. Law Enforcement is no different. A Police oficer who observes a group of young kids driving around on a Saturday night in a nice car with a busted vent window has just profiled a stolen vehicle situation. He now has developed enough probable cause to stop and check them out. I typed the "Southern Redneck way of thinking things" also with sarcam intended. I did this because it apeared to me that by the way you responded back, it's what you thought of me. You proved that by assuming as much, and by falling into that trap you have profiled me.You just might have figured me out.Now, to get back to what this post was intended for, No my Priest is not Gay!Trinity+++[This message has been edited by TrinityScrimshaw (edited 04-03-2002).]

beachmaster73

Trinity if you make it out to the National Matches this year let me know!!! I have to buy you a beer!!!Beach

scott5792

if you don't like the gays. that's fine. your choice.But it is also these peoples choice to live their lives as they see fit. It's none of your business or mine.like it or not. they are out there. just as I'm sure you have something(everyone does) that someone else doesn't like for you to do.Should we not hire you because you're black,christian,space man, or any other group that is different that I?NO. that is not what America is about. it's for all of us.The gay guy, the drunk, the addict are still Americans, til someone decides" I don't like that" "so noone should like it" Let's ban and discriminate against them.Sound fair to you trinity.When you posted the "redneck southern." It fit right into what you were saying.Not a profile, you said it.If someones being gay really bothers you that much, maybe it's you with the problem trinity.not themI agree on the special laws for these minorities is nuts. But I've seen people beaten just for being gay. Maybe just because you're a woman who is for or against this.we should beat you too. When you get pissed at someone and fight. FineBut when the only reason you have for fighting is that guy is gay. It is you that is the problem,not themSo look into the Mirror trinity. It may be your minority group that gets some one day.Scott

scott5792

if you don't like the gays. that's fine. your choice.But it is also these peoples choice to live their lives as they see fit. It's none of your business or mine.like it or not. they are out there. just as I'm sure you have something(everyone does) that someone else doesn't like for you to do.Should we not hire you because you're black,christian,space man, or any other group that is different that I?NO. that is not what America is about. it's for all of us.The gay guy, the drunk, the addict are still Americans, til someone decides" I don't like that" "so noone should like it" Let's ban and discriminate against them.Sound fair to you trinity.When you posted the "redneck southern." It fit right into what you were saying.Not a profile, you said it.If someones being gay really bothers you that much, maybe it's you with the problem trinity.not themI agree on the special laws for these minorities is nuts. But I've seen people beaten just for being gay. Maybe just because you're a woman who is for or against this.we should beat you too. When you get pissed at someone and fight. FineBut when the only reason you have for fighting is that guy is gay. It is you that is the problem,not themSo look into the Mirror trinity. It may be your minority group that gets some one day.Scott

scott5792

if you don't like the gays. that's fine. your choice.But it is also these peoples choice to live their lives as they see fit. It's none of your business or mine.like it or not. they are out there. just as I'm sure you have something(everyone does) that someone else doesn't like for you to do.Should we not hire you because you're black,christian,space man, or any other group that is different that I?NO. that is not what America is about. it's for all of us.The gay guy, the drunk, the addict are still Americans, til someone decides" I don't like that" "so noone should like it" Let's ban and discriminate against them.Sound fair to you trinity.When you posted the "redneck southern." It fit right into what you were saying.Not a profile, you said it.If someones being gay really bothers you that much, maybe it's you with the problem trinity.not themI agree on the special laws for these minorities is nuts. But I've seen people beaten just for being gay. Maybe just because you're a woman who is for or against this.we should beat you too. When you get pissed at someone and fight. FineBut when the only reason you have for fighting is that guy is gay. It is you that is the problem,not themSo look into the Mirror trinity. It may be your minority group that gets some one day.Scott

scott5792

if you don't like the gays. that's fine. your choice.But it is also these peoples choice to live their lives as they see fit. It's none of your business or mine.like it or not. they are out there. just as I'm sure you have something(everyone does) that someone else doesn't like for you to do.Should we not hire you because you're black,christian,space man, or any other group that is different that I?NO. that is not what America is about. it's for all of us.The gay guy, the drunk, the addict are still Americans, til someone decides" I don't like that" "so noone should like it" Let's ban and discriminate against them.Sound fair to you trinity.When you posted the "redneck southern." It fit right into what you were saying.Not a profile, you said it.If someones being gay really bothers you that much, maybe it's you with the problem trinity.not themI agree on the special laws for these minorities is nuts. But I've seen people beaten just for being gay. Maybe just because you're a woman who is for or against this.we should beat you too. When you get pissed at someone and fight. FineBut when the only reason you have for fighting is that guy is gay. It is you that is the problem,not themSo look into the Mirror trinity. It may be your minority group that gets some one day.Scott

scott5792

if you don't like the gays. that's fine. your choice.But it is also these peoples choice to live their lives as they see fit. It's none of your business or mine.like it or not. they are out there. just as I'm sure you have something(everyone does) that someone else doesn't like for you to do.Should we not hire you because you're black,christian,space man, or any other group that is different that I?NO. that is not what America is about. it's for all of us.The gay guy, the drunk, the addict are still Americans, til someone decides" I don't like that" "so noone should like it" Let's ban and discriminate against them.Sound fair to you trinity.When you posted the "redneck southern." It fit right into what you were saying.Not a profile, you said it.If someones being gay really bothers you that much, maybe it's you with the problem trinity.not themI agree on the special laws for these minorities is nuts. But I've seen people beaten just for being gay. Maybe just because you're a woman who is for or against this.we should beat you too. When you get pissed at someone and fight. FineBut when the only reason you have for fighting is that guy is gay. It is you that is the problem,not themSo look into the Mirror trinity. It may be your minority group that gets some one day.Scott

scott5792

if you don't like the gays. that's fine. your choice.But it is also these peoples choice to live their lives as they see fit. It's none of your business or mine.like it or not. they are out there. just as I'm sure you have something(everyone does) that someone else doesn't like for you to do.Should we not hire you because you're black,christian,space man, or any other group that is different that I?NO. that is not what America is about. it's for all of us.The gay guy, the drunk, the addict are still Americans, til someone decides" I don't like that" "so noone should like it" Let's ban and discriminate against them.Sound fair to you trinity.When you posted the "redneck southern." It fit right into what you were saying.Not a profile, you said it.If someones being gay really bothers you that much, maybe it's you with the problem trinity.not themI agree on the special laws for these minorities is nuts. But I've seen people beaten just for being gay. Maybe just because you're a woman who is for or against this.we should beat you too. When you get pissed at someone and fight. FineBut when the only reason you have for fighting is that guy is gay. It is you that is the problem,not themSo look into the Mirror trinity. It may be your minority group that gets some one day.Scott