america and heroin

scott5792

Looks like the war on drugs isn't going to afghanistan.We have decided since there is such instability in afghanistan. We are not going to try and cut off the heroin at the knees.Amazingly they are arresting people here everyday. but these people crashed TWC and still will make millions off of their poppy crop.ShamefulScott

beachmaster73

One step at a time Scott...one step at a time. The cooperation we are receiving from the natives over there is fragile at best. You can't always draw a huge Claymoor and cut the hear off of every demon that is out there at once. We still have some agent orange and it can still be sprayed if need be...but why not wait until we really have iradicated the Taliban/AlQuida monster first? Those people are just farmers with a cash crop....It is the money and addiction of North America that says BUY BUY BUY!!! Take care of the buyer and the farmer farms a new crop. Beach

scott5792

So it's a case of ftate sponsored drug dealing? Which is ok because, they are poor?Columbia,peru, and a host of other countries have the same problem. But we go in and take away their only means of support>Sounds like they enfore the laws as they feel like.Wonder if we'll wind up selling their heroin just as we did for nicoragua(sp)thank you for the reply.Scott

turbo

Good grief, the mere mention of agent orange being sprayed on poppy crops in GHAN should arouse the ire of the liberal establishment in this country.They have a better solution to the problem, legalize heroine.And for god's sake quit throwing the users in jail.Whats wrong with you, law abiding people?

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scott5792

I agree with you.the problem I have is. They go through america everyday arresting addicts.only to turn around and sponsor the selling of drugs.What a bunch of hipoctites we are.Scott

Tailgunner1954

Jail no, firing squad yes, shoot their lawyers also. I've seen to many people ruined for life by drugs. No mercy, no second chances, for users here.

scott5792

Let me guess here tailgunner.Drinker?just as badnext.

turbo

scott5792,I don't know what a "hipoctites" is.Or, who your refering to, nor who sponsors the selling of drugs, and who you are refering to in this statement, also.But, it's hard for me to believe you want to legalize drugs (including heroine) cause you are worried about those who suffer and need a toke, hear and there for pain, there are many,non addictive pain medications on the markey today, I think it's a lie that MJ is the only thing some of these people need to take to feel no pain If you are really that concerned, my hats off to you, but if your feelings on this subject are more because your a user yourself, then thats a different story.Personally I feel that the poppy fields ought to be sprayed with what it takes to iradicate all of their fields, as poor as the nation is it ought to produce food crops for it's population, so they can help begin rebuilding their own country. Why should the good ole US or other countries feed them while a few warlords plant harvest illicit drugs for export, to ravage some other country, who in the end will wind up with the same sort of problems Afgahnistan is experiencing, while they pocket the cash.We certainly do not need the problems associated with heroine use in this country.We ought to enforce the laws we have on the books with regard to the dealing of illicit drugs in this country.As for users, both hard core and recreational users ought to be held accountable also, why should the government pay for traetment and all other associated expenses because people just want to be flagrant in their use of these mind altering substances. Most users can't think rationally, it's no wonder, they are for legalizing drugs.

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scott5792

First off. I did used to smoke pot. Just outgrew it. As most do. Look at congress and the senate.Grew up in the 60's smoking pot(didn't inhail) and taking acid. I refer to our gov't as hipocrites on the fact that they are helping with the heroin trade now and the cocain trade in earlier years.In case you haven't noticed. we already have a heroin problem here. And it isn't even slowing down. It's widely available all of the drugs.there is more of a problem with the money than the drugs.(again just an opinion)I have watched the war on drugs destroy this country. yes destroy. You and I are not addicts or dealers. Yet we are punished every day for them.Damn it. I'm not guilty.Everyone wants drugs off the street. But it is nothing more than a pipe dream. Just as you and I can't keep cigarettes out of kids hands. same is true here.All the war on drugs is doing in my mind is.Creating a bunch of animals that will one day get out of prison(thank you ronald reagan).Why should a person have to pay $27 a pill for a sickness from a pharmacy? when they could grow their own from their back yard.regulate drugs just as we regulate alcohol and cigarettes.make billions in taxes instead of throwing it down the bottomless pit of moral justice.that targets the poor . yes the poor. Joe Lawyer will always be able to get his stash.You think it's a lie that these people are helped. How would either of us know. Only that person would. I don't care if they want to shoot up kerosene. If they are willing to do it. Have at it. If you rob,rape,kill,you go to jail. Hope this clarifies my position.thank you for the reply.Scott

scott5792

Turbo.Are you also against assisted suicide?Scott

Tailgunner1954

Not a drinker either Scott, just someone that grew up in the 60's and 70's with parents that cared enough to teach me to think twice before doing somthing stupid, and to take full responsabilty for my actions.

scott5792

Sorry tailgunner. had to ask. I had the same type of parents.Scott

Tailgunner1954

No ProblemBob

scott5792

You know tail gunner. I've been all over the net with this same issue. This has to be the most strait foward crowd I've met. and amazingly with little hostility.Most people assume if you want drugs legal because you're a drug addict. I'm not at all. Just don't like the way all of us are headed. like what will they outlaw next, to put more of us in prison just to keep the for profit prisons open. Worries me.Thanks again for all the repliesScott

Fitz

I agree that drugs should be legalized in the US, but it would have to be done with a COMPLETE return to the Constitution. The 85% of the Federal Government that is unconstitutional would HAVE to be eliminated first, or the effects of drug legalization would create total cultural and financial chaos. As far as Afghanistan goes, I think the CIA should cut large, random batches of Afghani crops with a deadly poison that is very expensive to detect, and admit it publicly. The world drug business will have to stop buying their supplies from Afghanistan out of fear.Fitz

turbo

Scott,I wouldn't help a drug addict kill himself because he doesn't want to live in a drug free society. I believe there is hope elsewhere for even the worst of worst drug addict, or alcoholics.As for helping one of my loved ones to end their life, I just simply would not do it, if their natural brain functions kept them alive, however there is futility in keeping a dead body alive by mechanical means, but I would never assist anyone take their life, for the sake of ending their assumed pain, as I already exprressed the fact, that there are powerfull drugs on the market today which can make all those in pain, painless up to the day of their death. I thank God I have never been in a position where I would be forced to make such a decision, I know there has been many hard cases that have been decided by the courts, and I suppose personal decisions like these should be prayerfully considered by family members, especially when there is no natural brain function in a body of a loved one.You seem to have more knowledge about this subject than I do, I don't have any personal knowledge about drug use in the higher place of this country, I do read the news and pay attention to what goes on and to say we have an epidemic is an understatement.The answer I am positively sure is not to legalize illicit drugs.Those that are for drug legalization always bring up the resolving of the illegal production and use of alcohol in this country the years of prohibition, and are proud to point out that the legalization of these ended the associated problems, of throwing drunks in jail as if the laws which were disobeyed were menial and not worthy of being enforced.What is never mentioned is that this legalization of the spirits created a larger problem of greater proportions which has affected lives of millions of familys and has claimed thousands of lives by it's users, even to this date.An I for one don't even care if the government taxes this product, it ought to be taxed, and made to pay by it's consumers, to reimburse the taxpayer for all thge problems and expenses it cuases by it's careless use. In fact the taxes could go to build and house those that don't care and continue to drink even after having been found guilty of driving while intoxicated, and when more money is needed raise the taxes of the product, this goes for tobaccoalso.It's an enigma when the good law abiding person works all day and for the most part obeys the law, and then when enjoying a night out, drinks himself or herself, into obvlivion and drives without regard for the safety of anyone else, you see the end results all the time in the newspapers with tragic results, legalizing spirits didn't do anything to help keep drunks off the road. Deep thoughtfull reflection on this should make any rational concerned citizen reconsider legalizing drugs. [This message has been edited by turbo (edited 04-01-2002).]

ndbilly

Dibs on Wonder Woman when heroines are leglized.

ndbilly

Here's the "a".

RugerNiner

The War on Drugs can never be Won. As long as there is a Market there will be people selling it. Have you ever read about or remember Prohibition?

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beachmaster73

I like the idea of implanting deadly poison into the harvest. Imagine the surprise when various public officials started keeling over along with known "gutter scum". Could be fun to watch and I'm sure it would cut back drug use. You know I think the war on drugs can be won.....it has become chic these days to say with a knowing self satisfied smirk that it can not be won. Just look at the use of alcohol and even cigarettes in our country today. While we really enjoy making fun of them MADD has done much to curtail the use of alcohol... Yeah I know there are still drunks out there plowing into children in the street but the penalty now is a whole lot different than it was 20 years ago. Those drunks are finally being held accountable for their actions. They are now going to prison for much longer terms than ever before. The country as a whole now recognizes the dangers of cigarette smoke to health and while a two pack a day CAMEL smoker will never be converted many others are. I love it when my little daughter asks her favorite uncle why he is so stupid for smoking cigarettes. What took the cake though was at Easter she told him to keep smoking because her Daddy said we needed more idiots to die and not collect social security. Yeah I really did say it in front of her; I really have to watch what I say..he was pi$$ed. You know there may be some merit in legalizing certain drugs and collecting outrageous taxes on them to reduce the National Debt. I think though that it would be better if we just treated drug dealers like nutria(gosh I just worked another GB thread into this one!) in Florida and put a bounty on them....I can just see a couple of homies setting a drug dealer blind in some burned out house in Detroit and then collecting a bounty on their hides.....oh God can you imagine what the ACLU would think of that? It sounds better and better all the time. In any case a lot of people a whole lot smarter than most of us haven't given up on the war on drugs and I hope they won't. Maybe real education will be the key. Beach

beachmaster73

I'm drinking way toooooo much caffiene in the morning! Beach

beachmaster73

Barto...slow me down!!! Hit me with a 2x4! Beach

barto

for beach- WHOP whopwhopwhopwhop.that first one didnt seem to take. your eyes still glinted.lol barto

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scott5792

Deep thoughtfull reflection on this should make any rational concerned citizen reconsider legalizing drugs. Isn't it the same deep thoughts that are sending this country down the tubes?As for the assisted suicide.So your dog is suffering, and you'd put it to sleep,But not your mom or dad if they were suffering?The drugs are everywhere.what difference would it actually make if they were leghal. You can buy drugs 1/2 a block from the city poice station here.Throwing more money down the tubes, is not the answer. even a drug addict knows a phillips head doesn't fot the slot screw.Just a thought.Scott

scott5792

Those that are for drug legalization always bring up the resolving of the illegal production and use of alcohol in this country the years of prohibition, and are proud to point out that the legalization of these ended the associated problems, of throwing drunks in jail as if the laws which were disobeyed were menial and not worthy of being enforced.Turbo. A man drunk driving and killing someone will be out of jail in 2-5 yrs. a person caught with a piece of rock cocain gets 20 yrs.If you don't see something wrong there.You can never see it.Sorry for you,ScottAgain we pour money into another set of laws that just don't work. Someone above mentioned shooting the dealers.Well when it's your kid that gets shot. Don't cry to us about it. you made the call.All prohibiting a product does. Is A0 riase the priceb) breeds vilencec) makes our taxes through the roof, all the while not accomplishing anything.Scott

scott5792

Hey beach,If they were to declair open season on these dealers.Wouldn't they just turn on us.Next thing you know it'd be just like israel around here.I don't know about you. But I can't afford the full auto to fight with the drug thugs.Take the profit out of the drug trade and the violence will slow to a trickle.MONEY is the biggest problem here.and those out there are wiling to kill for it.Just like the roaring 20'sScott

scott5792

Sorry turbo,One more.but I would never assist anyone take their life, for the sake of ending their assumed pain, as I already exprressed the fact, that there are powerfull drugs on the market today which can make all those in pain, painless up to the day of their deathWhen you have to pay (everything you have) for these medications. and how dare you say assumed pain.I know some of these people. Aids, cancer,unknown bone pain every second of the day.I'm amazed you can thank god and still leave these people to suffer.at the same time.The pharmacy corps have us in their pockets and congress and the senate too.Why would you need the pharmacy if you have the cure you feel works. and it can be grown for free.Let's see here. $17 for 1 marynol tablet. Or all the marinol you can grow, for free. Most of the people I know can not afford to take the Legal drugs.we had 8 states and DC pass laws for medical pot. Only to be shut down by our federal gov'tSo , why does the vote in the states not count for anything?I always thought "votes" counted.Apparently not.Scott

borderguy

Yes...Lets Legalize Drugs!!!!! Then teenagers will steal Pot out of mom and dads drawers instead of cigarettes. Instead of 40,000 people killed each year by drunk drivers. We can add those who are stoned and shoot for 75,000. Tax dollars can pay for clean needles and medical needs of chronic abusers. Since drug use in responsible for 80% of petty theft, Will I get a rebate next some a dope-head steals the CD Player out of my car? I'm sure we can all trust drug users to make rational decisions about the appropriate use of drugs. Before I make my choice, perhaps you can tell me where de-criminaliztion of drugs has made a positive impact on society?

travelor

Scott...I agree, and have stated my beliefs on this issue here before.I used to recreate in various ways in younger years also...yes, I out grew it also. My father owned a liquor store for many years...and I saw many different people walk through his doors. The difference between alcohol and various other drugs is that people addicted to alcohol tend to think more violently in general..(granted, not all of them)..and would not put up with the intrusion on their freedom to partake of it. Whereas with other illicit drugs, the user becomes more passive as he becomes intoxicated. Euphoria is just that.Even caffine is a phisically addictive drug. The coca plant and the coffee plant are in the same familly, and the alcoloids produced from both are very similar.Now to look at another aspect of the war on drugs...(lets compare it to the part of this nation's society that insists that guns are bad and should be made illicit)...Drug sales by gangsters protected by illegal use of fire arms. Victims of of drug deals gone bad, both inocent bystanders, and intended targets. On my street and yours. Legalise drugs, and there would be no such thing as Drug War. No criminal drug house would be left in opperation. No gun would be used to protect the non-existant illicit drug trade.I think we could kill two birds with the same stone. I think that drug related violence would drop way down, and the incidence of gun related murders would drop way down also. To include gun facilitated robberies related to addiction to expencive drug habits. Over sea production and smuggling would lose its criminal element also, thus no need to expend vast resorces trying to stop something that is simply not going to go away.Next, lets look at taxation. High taxes charged on low reasonable prices could help society in many ways. We could actually get quite creative. Allow for a tax rebate credit for any one voluntarily completing a drug rehabilitation program, or for parents of a minor who succesfully completes such a program, with colledge aid available to those individuals who repeatedly test clean after discharge from such a program. Further educational benifits for minors who stay clean in the first place, as an incentive to say no to drugs. Tax funded rehabilitation for anyone who makes the decision to clean up.Finally, I want to state again my creed:I believe that being a free American means just that...Freedom. A person should be free to do any thing he chooses to do, no matter what, as long as that person is not hurting anyone elce while doing that thing. I don't care what it is that you like to do. Sex, Drugs, Rock-n-Roll, Hunting, Fishing, Camping, Religioun, Drinking, Gambeling, Model Rocketry, even Suicide...anything that dosn't violate another persons rights to the same FREEDOM....Just don't hurt another person(without their consent! .

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travelor

Beachmaster...You think it would be funny to spray poison on those crops? Do you think that would stop it from being sold here? It would more likely give our enemies a weapon against ourselves. I prey that you don't have a child, or other loved one who is caught in the grasp of drug abuse, who has been trapped in fear of being "busted" by illegal laws, and feels it's necessary to lie to you, and hide their abuse from you. It would be a bad day indeed to have one of my kids murdered in this manor. That is terrorism.

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beachmaster73

Good point travellor....During the VietNam War our good friends in Red China came out with "Hong Kong rock heroin" for the enjoyment of the troops R and Ring there. It was a combination of really good heroin and a straight caustic soda...very very bad on the insides....at least you had quite a trip as you died. We had these movies that showed an American sailor in the hospital spitting up pink mucas through his mouth and his nose, moaning in pain and then another one of him at the morgue with a bunch of Chinese doctors all around....very very effective in teaching young sailors not to use drugs in Hong Kong....It didn't stop them elsewhere but in Hong Kong those little American sailor rascals didn't touch the stuff after viewing the movies. The ideaof a poison in the heroin could work and might just have merit. I am already giving my children the anti-drug message loud and clear and hope that I don't have to watch one of them die of an OD in some hospital...but if they do decided to use drugs it will be inspite of all that they were taught not because of a lack of education. All the best, Beach.

competentone

It's always strange to me when I hear "gun right advocates" argue in one breath that "guns don't cause crime; banning guns won't stop crime".Then in the next breath, these same people will argue that "drugs cause drug abuse; keeping drugs illegal will stop drug abuse!"Most people who use drugs (and alcohol IS A DRUG) are using the chemicals as some type of psychological "crutch".Severe cases of drug abuse really need trained psychologists to respond--but as things are today, we send the police with guns--it's just plain STUPID!

scott5792

border guard. look to holland . soon to be the swiss, and many others are decriminalizing. drugs.80% of petty theft is from drug users? I want some statistics on that. around here (90% is done by teenagers shoplifting from Wal mart.If these people commit a crime while high. Yes by all means put them in jail.But not for just being an addict.Useing the name border ....Does this mean you are a border patrolmen?If so.You have alot to lose if drugs were legal, Like having to find another job.Correct?I've known many users through out my life. None of which even commited a crime. Only to be made a criminal for having a little white powder or pot in a bag.DWI him. not 10 yrs in jail.I know people have shot others and gotten less time. Scott

salzo

When I was in Switzerland a couple of years ago, I was speaking with a Swiss citizen, and asked her about crime. She told me it does not exist, and then she explained that there is a little crime, and that it comes from drug addicts who are mostly non citizens.When I was in Norway last year, I was not off the plane for more than 20 minutes, when a drug addict approached me for money(i am assuming that was what she wanted) and when I refused, she attacked my wife, grabbing her by the throat. Needless to say, if I had a gun on me, and was in the state of PA, I would have shot her dead. Since I did not have a gun, I grabbed her and pushed her down, but this strung out junky kept coming back at me. Finally she stopped, but through her shoe at me, while yelling. When we arrived at the hotel, there was a park, filled with strung out junkies. I also noticed a couple of junkies shooting up underneath a highway overpass as we were driving to the hotel.I bring up my Norway and Switzerland trips, to dismiss the absurd argument that all of thge pro legalization crowd bring up, claiming that legaslization will end drug related crime. Drugs are not legal in these countries, but enforcement of drug laws is minimal. The woman who attacked my wife did not commit a crime because she was trying to get drug money- she committed a crime because she was strung out on heroine.The woman I spoke with in Switzerland said that crime was virtually nonexistent, until recently, and now there was a wave of crime that was being committed by, for the most part, foreign junkies. All of this in countries where drug use IS illegal, but is very much tolerated.As far as I am concerned, I do not want to live in a place where drugs are legal, and I would just assume not have a federal law legalizing drugs in the USA. I assume we give the power of legalization of drugs to the states, where it belongs, according to the constitution. If a state wants to legalize drugs-let them. And when states like California, Oregon, Massachusettes< New York, New Jersey, and all of the other liberal states make drug use legal, let them deal with the problems that surely will occur. Let their tax payers pay for the carnage that a society where drug use is legal is sure to ensue. And when these states fall into the abyss, let them not cry for a federal entitity, and federal tax dollars to bail them out of the mess that they created.And this belief that there is some constitutional protection guaranteeing you the right to do drugs is absurd, nonsensical an completely illustrates a complete ignorance with respect to understanding the constitution.And to equate drug legalization in any way with the right to bear arms is laughable.

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scott5792

And to equate drug legalization in any way with the right to bear arms is laughable.Who said this?I surely never compared those 2.You will notice in your trips it was the foreigner on drugs attacking you. Yet crime is nonexhistant to that nice lady.We see these people everywhere. mostly on the DC streets here. drunk doing exactly the same thing. one bum or another, same thing.If it wer legal in these"foreigners" lands. might they not have the same chance as the swiss with tolerant laws and not draconian?Ie. a murderer gets 20 yrs. in 7 he plays the parole hearing game and gets out. A drug offender caught with a little bit of drugs. can get 20 yrs. no parole.And yet. we all sit here wondering why it has gotten worse.Shootings, car chases, people willing to do anything to get away from the law.In doing so ,we have made the streets more unsafe than ever.I remember in the late 80's the convienance store was robbed. But the clerk was left unharmed. So we upped the time in jail and the laws of enforcement.Now they robbers are more willing to kill the clerk. because, the penalty is no worse than armed robbery.in for a penny, in for a pound. Jail time and all that BS does not affect crime. only the criminals.WHen you make it so that the guy without a license is willing to run from the police , with no reguard for the others out here.all because he has nothing left to lose. He doesn't care what happens to him.He knows.All I've seen from the drug war is a ton of money being spent on enforcement, and little return on that money.When a the drug trade can make 300 billion dollars ayear. and we pay the police(who knows at this point) it is inevitable for coruption to follow.Scott

turbo

Most everybody I have ever talked to, including those of you here, who have used drugs in the past extensively, always seem to have a carefree attitude about the laws, and appear to be indifferent if they are obeyed or disobeyed.The fact is the reason why, the drug war is not going anywhere, is because the system goes soft on the users, just like the drunk who kills while driving intoxicated, both the dealer and the user should be thrown in jail and made to pay equally, according to the statutes, unfortunately for those of us who do care about laws, there are to many bleeding hearts, that do the crying for these unfortunate misguided souls who get caught (usually because they commited a crime while the under the influence).Scott, somehow you equate the life of your dog with that of your parents. I don't, Yes, I would put my dog to sleep, No, I would not put my parents to sleep, I would do whatever would be at my disposal wihtin the law, to make them as confortable as possible to the end. I recognize that I don't have the power over life or death, but I know who does.The thread that seems to follow drug users is this thought; they all seem to suffer from a brain disfunction, and are not able to critically examine facts and reach a rational conclusion. It's no wonder, the use of mind altering drugs includinbg alcohol, kills brain cells,and dullens the bodies senses, brain cells don't regenerate themselves like the other healing processes of the body.It appears to me that, these individuals have caused harm to themselves in a an unalterable sort of way, that they are actually incapable of ever really seeing the wrong in anything, and this could very well be the only explanation for their way of thinking.The word I'm thinking of is reprobate in their thinking, it's an inability to see things clearly.So, THEY, all are getting together forming their own political parties to bring about the changes that appeal to them.Why does anyone ask, whats wrong in this country today? We are surrounded by drug liberalized people who can't see straight, and consider themselves normal.[This message has been edited by turbo (edited 04-02-2002).]

scott5792

"Scott, somehow you equate the life of your dog with that of your parents. I don't, yes, I would put my dog to sleep, No, I would not put my parents to sleep, I would do whatever would be wihtin my means to make them as confortable as possible to the end."So what you are saying is your parents can suffer to the bitter end. but you'd end that same suffering for an animal.selfish is what that sounds like to me.Sorry."So, THEY, all are getting together forming their own political parties to bring about change."No different from the churches and other groups?Sir there is no brain damage or lack of common sence on this end.The laws against the drugs are no more than a money maker for everyone involved, except the tax payer.We foot the bill on both sides of this issue.While we build more private prisons that have to run on a profit.HAVE TO. Which means what to you?To me it means we will have to keep them full forever.It's a business not prevention.Scott

borderguy

I have yet to have my question answered.Where has de-criminalizing drugs ever improved a society?I have already lost friends and family members to drunk drivers, Why should I risk then to High Drivers. Drug Users by definition are irresponible and I'm supposed to trust them to make resonable decisions? That's Moronic!!!As to the Swiss. The park where drugs were legal became so crime ridden it was closed down.For the person who suggested free college for cleaning up. Idiotic!!! Maybe my son should abuse drugs so he can clean-up and get free tuition. That way he doesn't have to pay or earn a scholarship.As to my working on the border. Legalized drugs wouldn't put me out of business. The same criminals smuggling would find something else to smuggle. Making drug interceptions is just an enjoyable bonus I get. Makes me feel all warm inside to send somebody away for a few years. So lets see.........Legalized Tobacco: 1,000,000 dead each year. 500,000+ Affected Billions in Medical CareLegalized Alcohol: 30,000 Drunk Driving Deaths 300,000 Deaths from abuse Billions in MedicalLegalized Drugs: Are we that Stupid?Complaining about your friend doing time for having white powder. Try again after your best friends pregnant sister is hit and killed by a driver high on Meth or Cocaine. I've seen it. Again.....Where's the good in making drugs available to the public?[This message has been edited by borderguy (edited 04-02-2002).]

salzo

Turbo- Kind of in line with what you are speaking about- I spent about a half of a year of my life as a pot smoker(about fifteen years ago). I noticed as a pot head, that you thought just about EVERYONE was a pot head. I have friends who are still pot heads,and they strongly believe that EVERYONE(except the rare exception, like me) smokes dope. Pot certainly clouds the dope smokers thinking, and certainly affects their perception of reality.

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scott5792

you know in the begining I was pointing out the hipocracy of our gov't letting the afghans sell the heroin to us.Now I feel I'm defending my opinions to some whom have no idea what the streets are actually like out here.None of the drug dealing has stopped, none of the killings have stopped, corupt police and politions poisoning us with fear.I fear the police pulling me over and killing me reaching for my wallet than I ever have the crack heads at the end of my block.See a crack head will be punished. yet the police will walk away.It's happening all over America.We have fought this war on drugs since that idiot Nixon. all we have accomplished are streets that are not safe to walk on,People living in fear. and all for one bottom line. MONEYour gov't is as addicted to the drug money as our people are to drugs. One can not survive without the other. right?So here's another one for ya.If the pharma corps found a cure for cancer. do you actually believe we would be told?Of course not. because there are trillions of dollars being made off the misery of keeping you hoping.Scott

salzo

Scott- Far out man.

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