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Rifled shotgun.

Gene B.Gene B. Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
edited August 2002 in General Discussion
What would be a good shotgun for shooting slugs out of. Ill be using it for deer to about 150 200 yards or even more. Would a Benelli M1 super 90 do the job?
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  • rameleni1rameleni1 Member Posts: 998 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would have bought the m1 or sbe if I had the money. I bought a nova instead. Very happy with it. Shot slugs last month out of it. 4" groups at 100 yrds. That was with factory sights. At 50 yards, I had my first cloverleaf.

    Rameleni1
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  • Gene B.Gene B. Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Whats the SBE?
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    Super black Eagle:Nearly a thousand bucks...
    it`s for snobs.

    .218
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you are shooting out to 200 yards, why not get a rifle. I am sure there are folks who use a shotgun for such distances, but I would assume it would be quite a hassle with the dramatic drop you will encounter.
    I use a rifled shotgun quite a bit, and after seeing how much drop is involved with a shotgun, I figure if I am shooting beyond 75 yards, Ill use a rifle.

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  • Gene B.Gene B. Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Cause with a shotgun I can shoot skeet, take it to the shooting range, hunt birds, deer, etc.

    Edited by - gene B. on 08/26/2002 19:08:13
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  • bk0331bk0331 Member Posts: 525 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I agree with salzo, shots over 75-100 yards are not practicable. I have a Remington 870 and have taken many a deer with it. If you must have an auto, the Bennelli is a great gun. You might try the Remington 1100 or 11-87, also a great gun.
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  • William81William81 Member Posts: 25,469 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Although there are people that might report otherwise, Sabot slugs and a rifled slug barrel are NOT designed for hunting at distances
    beyond 125 yards and even that is pushing it IMHO....I live in Illinois where there is not a rifle season for Whitetails. To sight a slug gun in at 200 yards is possible but if you were shooting at something at less than 100, you'd miss high by a couple of feet or more.

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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    A mossberg slugster is as good a slug gun as any, not expensive, but will shoot with the best of them,

    75 yrds with a slug? 100 yds?? 200 yds, not,

    "A wise man is a man that realizes just how little he knows"
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  • TOOLS1TOOLS1 Member Posts: 6,133
    edited November -1
    Gene
    If you want to shoot skeet you dont want a rifeled barrel. Just get a barrel with screw in chokes. And use rifeled slugs for deer.
    TOOLS
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  • Gene B.Gene B. Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Okay so what would the maximum effective range be for bagging a deer with a shotgun slug?

    Im kinda new to shotguns and what are the laws for pistol grip shotguns and hunting?
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  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you are going to use a "screw in choke" kind of shotgun for slugs. MAKE SURE that you use the right choke for slugs. Using the wrong choke can damage your shotgun and/or have it blow up in your face. TOOLS1 is right about not using a rifled barrel for shot. It is possible but not recommended.

    If I knew then, what I know now.
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  • BoomerangBoomerang Member Posts: 4,513
    edited November -1
    I agree with all above, long shots require a rifle. A long shot for a shotgun is 100 yds. More reasonable shot is 75 yds. Gene, you are trying to buy a one gun does it all, and it just ain't so. You will be disappointed.

    Like my dad always said "There is a tool for every job."

    Boomer

    "Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as it is by the obstacles which one has overcome while trying to succeed."NRA Life Member
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gene- I hope someone can give you an answer to your "effective range" question better than I can. I am not sure about the energy required to kill a deer with respect to using a shotgun, and I do not have a table that shows energy corrolated with distance.
    In general a shotgun is known as a 100 yard deer gun. Personally, that is not my range. I will not use a shotgun beyond 75 yards, and I really do not want to use it beyond fifty. I am sure it has enough energy out to 100 yards, but for me, it is a question of the drop. If I spent enough time practicing, knowing how my sabot drops at different yardage, I guess I could feel comfortable-but that is not to say you cant be comfortable with the various distances-and I am sure there are guys who are comfortable with the drop compensation-but I suspect you would have to practice quite a bit. If you want to get involved with that, than maybe a long range shotgun is for you.
    But I would check to see what is the effective "kill range"(energy required to kill a deer) for a shotgun. I dont have the answer to that. Even if you can hit the target out to 200 yards, I do not know if you would have adequate energy-I suspect you would not.
    Also, if you are getting that gun as an all purpose gun-you should really get another "field barrel". I have not heard anything good about shooting shot through a rifled barrel.
    I do not know if you know this, but you can shoot foster slugs through a regular field barrel.
    If you do get a shotgun, make sure that you are fully aware of what kind of ammo you can shoot through what kind of barrel you are using.
    Example-you can shoot fosters through both a smooth bore and rifled barrel. But you do not want to shoot sabots through a smoothbore.

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  • nelchrisnelchris Member Posts: 557 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    get a remington 1100 12ga 26inch rem choke,then buy a hasting cantilever rifled slug barrel ,buy all the different sobots and others you can find and start finding out what they do also get a good scope .The drop past 125 yards is great ,but the slug still has enough energy to kill a large midwest buck to 200 or more if shot placement is right

    ps buy 2 3/4inch slugs not 3s
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  • BoomerangBoomerang Member Posts: 4,513
    edited November -1
    One thing to add. Shooting heavy 3" slugs is brutal. Go to the range and zero in a slug gun is enough to make you cry, and never want to fire a shotgun again.

    Boomer, been there done it!

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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    The ideal situation is to have
    two barrels per shotgun,a slug barrel
    and a longer one with tubes(if possible).

    I have this settup with several guns
    including a ported rifle sighted
    mossberg 500.A rifle sighted 870express
    slug barrel that takes tubes.A 51 Ithica
    auto I just traded for,to go along with the 51 slug barrel I`ve had for a while.

    Then there are the Ithica DeerSlayers,
    grooved for scope mounts.....

    ....I`m weird about having my shotguns ready for anything,and I don`t like deer hunting with a 28 or 30 inch barrel.

    .218
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:

    ....I`m weird about having my shotguns ready for anything,and I don`t like deer hunting with a 28 or 30 inch barrel.
    .218

    Bee I know what you mean. I have 3 shotguns, and they are all equipped with rifled barrels, field barrels. Even though I pretty much use only one for deer hunting, I still just HAVE to have those other guns set up for everything.
    I have an Ithaca 37 with a rifled barrel, a field barrel, and a Deerslayer smoothbore which I have a pistol scope mounted right on the barrrel. This is my "buckshot" set up-and I dont think Ill ever hunt with Buckshot.

    To add to what Boomer said about 3" shells and the "kick". It has been my experience, that a rifled barrel with Sabots kicks much less than any other set up (Smoothbore with fosters, rifled bore with fosters).

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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    GeneB, you may want to consider Buckshot out of a full or extra full choke, and therefore have no need of a rifled barrel at all. It is absolutely devastating at 75yds, given the right choke tube. Chokes are cheaper than barrels. 100yds is max I would try with a 12 guage slug, it's very heavy and not aerodynamic to say the least.

    A great rifle with a junk scope,....is junk.
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  • William81William81 Member Posts: 25,469 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gene, check your local laws on hunting with Buckshot before you consider the above post. It is not legal in some states.

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  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would use the Ithaca slug gun and set my range limits down to 100yrds or so.I do recommend the above suggestion first.


    Best!!

    Rugster


    Toujours Pret
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  • Gene B.Gene B. Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Are you saying that hunting deer with buckshot might be illegal? I live in Texas so I dont know if that will be a problem or not.
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    GENEB- Yes. Many places Buckshot is not allowed for hunting.
    And I have to disagree with the comment that Buckshot is "devestating out to 75 yards". Buck shot is not an alternative to a slug. It is for very close up shooting.
    Anyone else have experience using Buck shot out to 75 yards, Id like to hear about it.

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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gene B, it will say right in your hunting regulations book that comes with your license. I am not trying to sway your choice to buckshot by the way, I was simply trying to point out an alternative to rifled barrels, especially at the cost of a benelli barrel ($350+). I did not, however remember that I am lucky enough to live where buckshot is legal and took that for granted. Sorry if that was off topic and not what you were looking for today, it was just a suggestion, and in retrospect, was way off topic. However, limited experience does not an expert make, therefore I can't flame other members who hunt with short barreled guns or anything with imp cyl or mod chokes, but I can tell you that a 26"-30" barrel and a super full choke claims upwards of 10-20 sika deer every time we walk the marsh on the farm. You can shoot a 20-22" slug barrel with buckshot and have maybe 1-2 pellets hit the target at 50yds, but a 28"-30" barrel, will deliver 5-7 of the pellets at 50yds, each pellet being roughly equivqlent in size to .38/.357 size. Now you see why it isn't widely accepted, when it is fired form a slug gun, it won't group, and therefore is ineffective. I had to explain the premise on which my previous post was based, that way, you aren't misinformed and no-one else is confused.

    200yds is too far for a shotgun, but 100yds is very do-able, even 150yds, but at 200, you had better spend time on the bag and learn the clicks you will need to take on your scope to be even modestly accurate. I would have my doubts as to energy related to projectile size at that distance.

    sorry nunn,.. felt an explanation was needed. Please don't lock his topic on my account, delete my post if necessary.


    A great rifle with a junk scope,....is junk.
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  • rameleni1rameleni1 Member Posts: 998 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was just wondering if you are choosing a shotgun to hunt deer because of the laws where you live.I didn't see this mentioned anywhere in your posts. I live in Illinois, and rifles are not allowed for Deer. If your State allows hunting deer with a rifle, thats the way to go. Especially if you want long range shots.

    Rameleni1
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  • Gene B.Gene B. Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I live in the Great Country of Texas.
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,689 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No wonder you are asking about 200 yard shots. Get a rifle.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
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