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9/11 Casualty Compensation fair?

22WRF22WRF Member Posts: 3,385
edited September 2002 in General Discussion
By Rush Limbaugh;
I think the vast differences in compensation between the victims of the
September 11 casualty, and those who die serving the country in uniform,
are profound.

No one is really talking about it either because you just don't
criticize anything having to do with September 11.
Well, I just can't let the numbers pass by because it says something
really disturbing about the entitlement mentality of this country.

If you lost a family member in the September 11 attack, you're going to
get an average of $1,185,000. The range is a minimum guarantee of
$250,000, all the way up to $4.7 million.

If you are a surviving family member of an American soldier killed in
action, the first check you get is a $6,000 direct death benefit, half
of which is taxable. Next, you get $1,750 for burial costs.

If you are the surviving spouse, you get $833 a month until you remarry.
And there's a payment of $211 per month for each child under 18. When
the child hits 18, those payments come to a screeching halt.

Keep in mind that some of the people that are getting an average of
$1.185 million up to $4.7 million are complaining that it's not enough.

We also learned over the weekend that some of the victims from the
Oklahoma City bombing have started an organization asking for the same
deal that the September 11 families are getting. In addition to that,
some of the families of those bombed in the embassies are now
asking for compensation as well. You see where this is going, don't you?

Folks, this is part and parcel of over fifty years of entitlement
politics in this country. It's just really sad.

Every time when a pay raise comes up for the military they usually
receive next to nothing of a raise. Now the green machine is in combat
in the Middle East while their families have to survive on food stamps
and live in low rent housing.

However our own US Congress just voted themselves a raise, and many of
you don't know that they only have to be in Congress one-time to receive a
pension that is more than $15,000 per month and most are now equal to be
millionaires plus. They also do not receive Social Security on
retirement because they didn't have to pay into the system.

If some of the military people stay in for 20 years and get out as an
E-7 you may receive a pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people
who placed you in harms way receive a pension of $15,000 per month.

I would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join
ranks before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our
sons and daughters who are now fighting. "When do we finally do
something about this ??"



I Refuse to be a VictimGrumpy old man

Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of All Those that Threaten it

Comments

  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sometimes you just can't argue with the logic from--Rush L.

    The gene pool needs clorine.
  • maggiethecatmaggiethecat Member Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    censors, get your button ready!! this is an absolute outrage. these people are getting paid because their loved ones went to work!!! i really do feel for them, but, how much did families of Pearl Harbor civilian victims get? How about families of people killed by hostage takers?Im active duty Marine Corps, and my life insurance is only $250,000. and i have to pay for it. I am so disgusted that this occurs. I sure hope my congressional rep didnt approve of this. I just cant say enough have this erks me.


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  • mkirklandmkirkland Member Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So people where is the money coming from for 911? Not from the government. If my memory serves me correctly people donated that money, people like you and me. I could see where people would get upset if the government was giving this money, but they aren't so what's there to say. If your friend gives you 10 dollars does that mean everyone should get 10 dollars? I am not saying the people of 911 deserve this money but it would be unlawful not to give it to them. When you make a donation to something and specify its use it is illegal to use it for anything else... So everyone needs to get over it!!
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,696 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Kirkland, there are different funds. This one is govt. money. And, Rush, this deal was overseen by your hero, Bush.
  • rameleni1rameleni1 Member Posts: 998 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wow, what a post. The families of 9/11 should get every penny donated to them. I think the problem is stupid people. We have allot of people in the U.S.. Most of them are very dumb. The people who put their lives on the line in combat, should be the highest paid, period. We are here, because of them. It's really not that hard to understand. I am a fan of Ross Perot (sp) He had some very good ideas on the military, and congress pay plans. He was going to cut all of gifts, pay raises, ect, to congress. He also had a great idea with voting. Everyone could vote from their home, online. One of the previous post said something about life insurance in the military. My life insurance states "nothing covered in acts of war" or someting like that. Is this life insurance private party, or the Gov?

    Rameleni1
  • Harleeman1030Harleeman1030 Member Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey the Gov. ruled that i can not recieve any guns as gifts..We used to get perks all the time in the oil buisness..But yet to the day they recieve all kinds of perks..


    quote:Wow, what a post. The families of 9/11 should get every penny donated to them

    Sorry but i do not see one thing about donations in the first post.

    Yes i feel sorry about the people who died....But again politics are involved...What do you expect..What about the families from the WACO deal what did they get ?

    Harleeman1030@aol.com

    NRA MEMBER


    Edited by - harleeman1030 on 09/10/2002 21:14:36
  • rameleni1rameleni1 Member Posts: 998 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Harleeman1030, I think my post is self-explanitory. The money was DONATED to the 9/11 families. No, this was not mentioned in the first post, it was in the 4th. I read them all, and gave my opinion. I don't remember any donations for the families of Waco, I could be wrong. I really don't see what Waco has to do with this anyway. They had the chance to give themselves up, and walk away. THEY wanted to stay.

    Rameleni1
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is a legal ramification to it (a disclaimer of no further action is prerequisite) simply they are paying them off to keep quiet and dont request a formal investigation into the stock deals
    prior to 911, airline stock was dumped (They knew)in advance let it happen for f*****g greed and political gain......

    read stuff in www.rense.com its so ovious!!!!!(no way to cover it up)!

    JD

    400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Some of you are mixing up the public donations & the Federal compensations. The freewill donations are fine the other is an adbomination.
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 2,962 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The funds donated by the public will NO WAY make up much of a percentage in the final figure. The rest is going to be paid by the
    taxpayers. Just where all the insurance companies enter into this
    as to paying, I just dont know. Seems like everyone now wants to get into the act of collecting money. As far as the Military in this
    war, as usual they come off on the low end of the totem pole. It
    was the same way back when. The families get a free firing squad at
    the funeral, a flag, the insurance money (insurance paid by the G.I.)
    and the family gets a small stipend monthly. Also with qualifications. As a old WW 2 infantryman I know just how they must
    feel about this pay off. And yes, we also back then paid for our
    $10,000 (max.) life insurance. Somewhere, somehow, things just dont
    to seem to add up properly in this "money game".
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 2,962 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    .22 WRF. Forgot this addition> Dont think this subject of the unfairness of this is not being critized by one hell of a lot of people. 9-11 aniversary or not.
  • mkirklandmkirkland Member Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I haven't seen anything about the government giving money where can I find this information so I can educate myself?
  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    First of all, I don't think any compensation should be paid out of taxpayer $$$. However, if they insist on taking our money for the people left behind, I think it shoud be pro-rated. ie., determine how much money the victim was making, per year, as of 9/11 and multiply that times the number of years left until that person was eligible for retirement. Subtract from that total the amount received from charities and insurance and give 'em the difference. That would be the "compensation". Some of those who will receive the $1,000,00+ wouldn't have seen that much money in the entire working life of the person who died. Why should they profit from that death?
    Probably seems a bit hard nosed...but you axed!!!

    Mudge the Scroogely


    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!

    Edited by - mudge on 09/11/2002 16:02:53
  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    Judge is right on this one and I too feel it is B.S. Look I too am saddend by the tragedies incurred by the victims families on 9-11-01, however why should I pay for there misfortunes? The primary provision for the fed comp fund is that the victims agree NOT to sue the airlines or any other entity. In return they get the big bucks. What is it like the airlines were not properly insured? If they were not, oh well, let em go bankrupt. I AM TIRED OF PICKING UP THE FREAKING BILL, nobody picks up my bills. W.T.F.??
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,696 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Kirkland there is a Federal compensation fund which was set up. They have a formula to figure how much money a victim made, how many more years they could work, etc. This is the fund to which Rush refers. This is independent of the private donations. I'm sure you could go to Fed. Gov. on internet, maybe 9-11 comensation fund and find out about it. Like Rush says, even a 60year old dishwasher in the WTC restaurant will get around $500,000. Once again Bush shows that he is in bed with big business.
  • joeaf1911a1joeaf1911a1 Member Posts: 2,962 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Kirkland: Do you truely think think the total amount of money
    needed to give the surviving families their "share" comes from donations??? The U.S. Govt is again footing almost all of the bill.
    This means the taxpayers. Check it out and realize who pays this
    BIG bill for people killed in the workplaces.
  • mkirklandmkirkland Member Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have stuck my foot in my mouth. Sorry to all for that you are absolutely correct. I wasn't current on the information and I spoke with an uneducated voice. You are all right and I totally agree with you this is ridiculous. I can't believe GB has done this it is absolute crap. Sorry again.
  • martzkj@msn.commartzkj@msn.com Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I agree, I don't think the public should foot the bill to keep people from sueing. The people who will get the most are already quite well to do.
  • lokdok1lokdok1 Member Posts: 383 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was watching a TV program today that addressed this issue.Actually I was just fipping channels and stopped at one station where people where voicing there opinions about this money you're talking about. They were siting aroud forum style, some holding portraits of people,reatives, I take it, that died in the attack. Now, believe me,I am very sorry for their loss, but now it seems as though the period of mourning is over for them.
    There are various organizations out there collecting and throwing money at them, and all they want is more.This was the impression I got from the one guy whose turn it was to talk,I didn't see the whole program, but thats the feeling I got. Okay, our loved ones are dead and gone,now lets make some $$$$$$$, more $$$$$

    If you don't know your rights, you dont't have any
  • stanmanstanman Member Posts: 3,052
    edited November -1
    Oh, how can some people be so bitter!
    I think it makes perfect sense that I, a head of a single income household, should give up a good portion of my meager paycheck, so that some rich widow of a stock analyst can remain in her $4 million dollar townhouse and still be able to visit her vacation home in the hamptons.
    And of course I should pay for her childs college education even though my own children will attend college only on the merit of their own grades and hard work.
    I mean, why else does the working class exist in this country except to support the government and help the rich get richer?
    They also have to keep some of us REALLY poor so they have someone to execute every so often.

    The road to hell is paved with good intentions!
  • mkirklandmkirkland Member Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Right on Stan!!!
  • Harleeman1030Harleeman1030 Member Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I mean come on let's all sue Japan,Germany,Italy,Korea,Vietnam...
    For all the Men and Women who served this great country and paid the ultimate price.

    1995 my uncle died He was a vietnam Vet. The navy Dept. sent no one when he was buried.They did not even play a 21 gun salute tape.NOTHING..Man came and said we have no funds to pay tribute to anyone now a days..WOW..SO hell we got our guns and went back and gave him our own 21 gun salute

    Sorry but i feel no pity for someone suing a country because a loved one was killed while working.While collecting money from us (Donations )..Suing airlines im sure and still want more.






    Harleeman1030@aol.com

    NRA MEMBER
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,696 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you were a bond trader making 150K on the 90th floor of the WTC and you had dependents, almost certainly you had life insurance. A 250K policy would not be unusually large, with double indemnity. So right there your widow gets 500K, tax free. Your company probably had a life policy in the event you were killed at work. My fiancee has one with her company for 50K, double indemntiy. She says this is not unusual. There is another 100K. He would probably have a nice 401K that his widow and kids will get. Plus, unusual for this case alone, charities have collected many millions for the widow to get a cut of. That widow is already covered like a blanket without any of Bush's largesse. If she wants to sit on her * and never work, and if she runs out of money in ten years, well, life is tough. And if you were a $7 an hour dishwasher at the WTC restaurant with no insurance policies, your dependents weren't getting much from you to start with, now they can get welfare or Soc. Security. Don't get me wrong, I despise Gore, but Bush is really starting to worry me. Bush likes big govt just fine.



    Edited by - allen griggs on 09/12/2002 12:32:28
  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I once knew a guy from New York, AND I watched this tragedy on TV. Can I have some money TOO?

    The gene pool needs chlorine.
  • guns-n-painthorsesguns-n-painthorses Member Posts: 6,462 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sorry guys, but most of my insurance polices are void for terroist actions. What about yours? Better look again!


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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,696 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Oops, I was wrong. The Federal fund deducts any money you may get from insurance. The guy with 600K in life insurance would have that amount subtracted from his federal payout. The program is still wrong though.
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