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Humanitarian aid for Palestine?!
Iconoclast
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News item I heard on the radio this AM . . . .
There are Palestinian emissaries, high officials in Arafat's PLO, in DC at the moment asking for humanitarian aid for their people. Seems that with all the sanctions imposed by the Israelis in response to the bombings, the people are suffering from lack of food and medical supplies? I guess I'm just a stupid country ignoramus, but perhaps if these same people didn't support the sponsor of the murders, the victims of those attacks would not retaliate? And just how many Palestinians was that who were dancing in the streets in celebration on Sept. 11? Let them beg somewhere else - say Libya, Iraq or Iran - the only aid I would send them would be delivered from a B52. They started this, they support those who wage this campaign of murder and now they want help because they are paying for those choices? Don't think so, pal.
There are Palestinian emissaries, high officials in Arafat's PLO, in DC at the moment asking for humanitarian aid for their people. Seems that with all the sanctions imposed by the Israelis in response to the bombings, the people are suffering from lack of food and medical supplies? I guess I'm just a stupid country ignoramus, but perhaps if these same people didn't support the sponsor of the murders, the victims of those attacks would not retaliate? And just how many Palestinians was that who were dancing in the streets in celebration on Sept. 11? Let them beg somewhere else - say Libya, Iraq or Iran - the only aid I would send them would be delivered from a B52. They started this, they support those who wage this campaign of murder and now they want help because they are paying for those choices? Don't think so, pal.
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Also we need to hold back the billions that we give Israel each year until the violence stops!
sodbuster is an American Christian infidel,,,and just pretty proud of it
"Just my opinion."
Edited by - sodbuster on 08/11/2002 00:05:38
Thats what happens to sand in a nuclear blast.
"A wise man is a man that realizes just how little he knows"
As the terrorist bomber says to Arnold in COLLATERAL DAMAGE -- "You hate and want to kill -- I hate and want to kill -- we are both the same." Arnold replies: "I'm not like you. I only want to kill you!"
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It's not what you know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know that just ain't so!
$1,980,000,000. has gone to weapons and luxury.........
$20,000,000 to development and commerce............
The US have expended in weapons enought money to give a palace to every living being on this planet.......
YET all you Hipocrites that speak so much of religion and mercy do
RECES FECES about it ......
All seems to allways say "Jesus died for my sins in the cross" or
allah will save the day , or Crishna will get me in a flying saucer
ol Elvis will come and get me .....
But No one wants to take responsibility for finishing off this dammed rotten system we live in .......
Dont blame me if Jesus steps off the cross and slams your head with a LEAD pipe ......Or Mohamed stallion pisses in you lawn ,or Elvis
knocks on the door to get his records back and no UFO comes to take
you Up there...
I warned you....... Aquiesence will be the end of the world.....
JD
400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
Eric S. Williams
Edited by - E.Williams on 08/09/2002 16:31:37
Why dont WE just buy the C4 and nails and blow ourselves up? It'll save them the time and effort.
Screw the Palestinians. Let them eat their turbans and pages from the Koran to survive. (just that image has me giggling out loud)
Of course, I'd be more than happy to donate lead suppliments to anyone who wants a handout from an American...
So Mohammed Abdel Aziz Sheik bin-Sandflea bin-Raghead would like a handout, would he? Does he want it in the head or the stomach?
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
Your logic of "blame the manufacturer who is selling the weapons" sounds like Brady-esque rationalization to me. That argument doesn't hold water in domestic lawsuits, and it doesn't hold water internationally. You forget that what the Palestinians were originally mad at was the concept of Israel's right to exist. They are mad at us because our founding principles also support their right to exist. They have existed, since 1949, as a nation, thanks not to the U.S. but to, as I understand the voting, the United Nations or some similar international group.
We are also friends of the English but the Palestinians aren't incensed about that. People who persist in blowing themselves up certainly do have a reason for it. But America is not the oppressor. America keeps offering the peace table, and the parties involved keep blowing each other up. Let them be mad at each other, not at the supporters of stability, fairness and world peace. I really think the Arab nations are only just beginning to come around to the fact that Israel is not going to be snuffed out. That's a pretty slow reflex, since 1949.
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"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Edited by - offeror on 08/09/2002 18:17:59
We tried the "mind our own business" thing before World War II, though, and found that appeasement doesn't work when you have lots of zealous young Nazis willing to die for a concept called the Fatherland.
We wound up becoming so good at making weapons and soldiers that GI Joe and Rosie the Riveter helped win the war. Since then, we have tried to be a force for world stability and a deterrent to a Third World War.
For all our faults, that legacy could be a LOT worse.
Terrorists don't want us minding our own business. The last thing they want is for us to let their problem be their problem. In fact, they came a very long way to knock down the twin towers in an effort to get us more involved in their concerns. Well, they've succeeded. Japan lived to regret "awakening the sleeping tiger," and so will the Arab terrorists.
Terrorism is fading fast as a legitimate route to political gain, particularly when the targets are non-combatants. You can try to mind our own business, and then 5 more American citizens are killed by a bomb at Hebrew University. We cannot afford to make it acceptable to kill an American overseas, whatever else we may think. Nor can we ever make it acceptable to kill an American on U.S. soil.
Every time we try to mind our own business, somebody walks into the middle of a crowd of those who are doing so and blows them up. Does that really sound to you like 'mind your own business?' When they come here and blow people up, does that sound like they want people over here to forget about them? Kind of counter-productive to come over here and whack the wasp's nest, don't you think? They're like the punk who is ticked off because the little kid they want to beat up has a big hulking friend who will twist their arm if they try it. So they try it, we twist their arm, and the bully cries "bully!" Waaaah!
I'm really tired of finger pointing. Anyone who thinks we'd chase them all away from the peace table, raise your hand. No one? Well, there ya go then....
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Eric S. Williams
Eric S. Williams
Edited by - E.Williams on 08/09/2002 18:48:04
Edited by - E.Williams on 08/09/2002 19:07:17
A balanced diet is a cookie in each hand
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
Edited by - allen griggs on 08/09/2002 19:08:56
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I'm the guy who said I would have shot the killers of Kennedy in the back of the head, given the chance. It was Lyndon Johnson who started the full scale war in Viet Nam, and we might have avoided the whole mess with Kennedy. I was not singing the falling domino song in 70 at all. No mind reading there.
I don't buy the fact that all actions are equally 'terrorist.' I don't buy the fact that decisive military action is the same as a bomber in a shopping mall full of random people's wives and children. A mall is not a military target. The F-16 was on an assassination mission against a senior terrorist leader with a known dossier of violence. When the terrorists don't listen to calls to stop, they are going to get bigger responses. Too bad their terrorist leaders don't live out in the country someplace, but surrounding yourself with civilians is the oldest military coward's trick in the book.
As for foreign aid, it seems like we're giving everybody foreign aid. At least Israel isn't extorting arms for hostages.
There are people in this country (and I'm not a church-going guy, so you're way off base there too) who believe that it is unthinkable in Biblical terms for us not to preserve and protect the "Holy Land." They are the same people who believe this country was founded "under God." These people would consider a U.S. government which did not support Israel to be traitorous. I am not among those either, necessarily. But as a practical matter you don't really expect the U.S. to abandon Israel if you're paying attention. There'd be riots in our streets. We'd have unprecedented domestic civil unrest if this government decided to become neutral on Israel and let them dangle in the Middle Eastern wind, even though we're closer to it now with Sharon's intransigence than we've been in a while.
It has nothing to do with what I think. But I don't get the feeling Americans are about to decide not to support the survival of Israel. So when you take that option off the table, what you have left is, how do you insure Israel's survival without being a bully? You let them do the work themselves, and you keep trying to get everyone to the peace table. But you don't co-sign the BS that terrorism against civilian busses, nightclubs and markets is the "same as" military action against military targets.
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"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
Let England, France, Germany, Belgium, Spain and Portugal
retake their former colonies and restore order. There's no light
at the end of the tunnel of butchery, savagery, lawlessness and corruption for any of the present African states
despite oil and mineral riches.
Sorry I misunderstood the religious reference. We do agree on the history of Israel. The Irgun and the Hagana played much the same role against the British as the IRA has done more recently.
But in practical terms, that's ancient history, and before they were voted a nation. Castro was a revolutionary and once upon a time a friend of America. Things change.
At what point do you let the status quo become valid? Being mad about something for a while is one thing, but staying mad for years or even centuries is called "having a resentment," and it eats people up inside. Eventually, you've gotta let go, be tolerant, and deal with the present facts. How silly is it that we still have a few Christians who are mad at the Jews for supposedly "killing Christ?" Pretty silly. Now that's a resentment that's 2000 years old. The Jews' and the Muslims' resentments are about as old, as are their resentments against us over the Crusades. All very unhealthy stuff, and unhelpful, because the people responsible are all long dead and there's nothing to be done about it anyway. I apologize for the extreme example, but pick any other example you like and it works the same way. Eventually, you have to legitimize the decision made by the United Nations in 1949 about Israel. And if we as a civilization want to outgrow terrorism as a method of solving our problems, I think we're overdue. It makes less and less sense to point to the past, whether you're talking about the Crusades, the Dark Ages or the Spanish Inquisition and say, "well THEY did it, so I CAN do it."
Not if we decide to outgrow cruelty. We've done that in other areas of life. Why not outgrow terrorism? Because the Palestinians want to win first? Because the IRA does? I think the IRA may actually be getting the message. The world has a concensus going here, that we're going to brand terrorism as internationally unacceptable. So the past remains interesting, but the methods outmoded. And no matter what they say, "occupation" is not the same thing as terrorism. It may not be fair, and it's certainly a state of martial law imposed from without, but occupation by soldiers and blowing civilians into little bits and pieces at random are two very different kinds of bad behavior. It is far more violent by its very nature than simple occupation. People get hurt resisting occupation of course, but the better choice now is to stop the violent acts of terror against shoppers, dancers, stroller pushers and diners, and figure a way of getting uniformed Israelis out of Palestinian streets. The former is terrorism, and the world seems to have decided that from now on that is going to be criminal behavior. A criminal in this country is not allowed to profit from his actions. For the same reason, we don't negotiate with criminals (in good faith) as a matter of law enforcement policy. We have the right to say, terrorism is a relic of the past, and insist that it not be rewarded. Then we have to help the Palestinians get the Israelis out of their streets.
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"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Edited by - offeror on 08/11/2002 03:40:59
It would be awfule if those arabs had to commit acts of terror on an empty stomach.
its a contradiction in terms. jmho
barto
the hard stuff we do right away - the impossible takes a little longer
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
Rest assured, someone has a contingency plan to contain nuclear activity to the opposite side of the globe. While the winds might carry us some fallout, the Pacific Ocean would absorb much of it. There would be much suffering on that side of the world. India and Pakistan have missiles aimed at each other. But it is highly unlikely that there would be any concerted effort, by anyone with significant nuclear technology, let alone the technical delivery system capability, to reach us on the other side of the world with nukes, no matter how much they might like to do so. I am confident we would take any necessary steps to prevent such an eventuality, and I'm sure our military is capable of foiling any significant nuclear attack effectively.
That is not to say it is impossible for a small nuke to be somehow smuggled over the border and detonated here, by land or air. But even that would be a comparatively isolated event, not a "country-killer." Don't forget, we used to test nukes in the desert here above ground and they were not world-ending events.
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"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."