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finnish sniper

mdcacmdcac Member Posts: 208 ✭✭✭
edited May 2002 in General Discussion
did any of you guys read the article in shotgun news about the finnish sniper? i have long been eyeing this as an option for a low budget sniper and wanted to get your comments. i actually arlready a have a finnish mosin B barrel which i love. if i got this one it would be one less round of ammo i would have to keep up with. i have been saving the dollar bills for a remington pss or a savage 10ft or a romak III. with what i have in the bank now i could go ahead and do this deal. from the article it sound like i would get much better accuarcy than the romak and close to an out of the box PSS or savage without having to put all the $$$. for the price of the PSS i could get this finnish sniper and the cetme i have been eyeing. what do you guys think and has anybody shot one of these. as always thanks for the advice.
oh and the springfield should be here any day now.
mdcac
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  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    Cetme's ROCK!!
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  • mdcacmdcac Member Posts: 208 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    sorry if i mislead you guys. this is not an original finnsih sniper. its a finish mosin nagant m 39 that has had a side rail mounted on it and has the same scope as a druganov (6x42). it is made by inter ordance and sells for 399. i have heard mixed review about dealing with inter ordance and ususally use wholesale myself. i saw this sniper clone in an article in shotgun news where it received a very favorable report. with S&B match ammo said to produce .75 MOA at a 100 yards. they praised this package as an affordable alternative for doing some long range shooting with some nice accuracy. hope this adds some color.
    thanks
    mdcac
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,622 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Why not make your own Finn sniper rather than deal with the boys at IO? Buy a M39, such as an unissued VKT or a very good one from WG&A. Get the bolt bent, drill and tap it and you are going to have quite a shooter. I have a Sako Sk.Y M39 and it is a great shooter, VKT is just as good and costs less. If then, the Finn stock doesn't do you right you can get one of those synthetic Monte Carlo stocks for $50.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,622 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey I just read a posting by a guy on another forum who has done just what I suggested. He had a 3-9 power Simmons scope on the M39. He says he owns lots of rifles, milsurp and modern sporters. He says the M39 outshoots them all. He often gets 5 shot groups of 3/4 inch and never more than one inch. Damn I've got two of those M39s with original iron sights. I think I'm gonna have to take my own advice.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
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  • mdcacmdcac Member Posts: 208 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    liketoshoot

    i had a feeling you knew what i was talking about and i appreciate the info. i will continue to wholesale. i know its not an original finnish sniper and don't care about that. like i said i already have an M39 and love it. which is why i thought the accuracy of the m39 scoped might be a good alternative to getting a 1k plus sniper rig. gotta watch the dollars right now if you know what i mean. my understanding was that the scope is the same used on the draganov. if thats the case shouldn't this be a pretty good combo. did you shoot the one you ordered. afterall what i really care about is accuracy. if i can get a rifle for 400 bucks that will shoot 1MOA or better with match ammo that is by most standards considered cheap, i would call it a deal. i hear ya about dealing with IO, but this article in shotgun news made it sounds like they have a winner and shotgun new tends to be a good source. i am still undeceided. if any one out there has actually shot on or know some one who has let me know what their toughts are. as always thanks for the help.

    mdcac
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,622 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is a guy named Darrell over in Alabama who makes a scout mount for the M39. This guy is an engineer and this mount is a beautifully machined, strong and accuracy-producing thing. He hangs out over on Gunboards.com. I tell ya, MDCAC, I have read so many posts of guys who got lied to by IO. Shipping costs that came in at triple what was quoted, misrepresentations of guns, even one guy who went in person to Monroe NC on a Friday and just about got taken buying live in person over the counter. But as Kris Kristopherson says, "We take our own chances and pay our own dues..."

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
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  • mdcacmdcac Member Posts: 208 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    yeah i have heard about darrel and i have heard nothing but positive things about him. to be honest all the horror stories i have heard about IO is what is really holding this deal up. I know how accuarte the M39 is and even with a half decent scope it would be a fair price at 400. the way i figure it is 175 for rifle 100 to have the bolt turned and 150 for the same scope plus whatever it would cost to have the mount rigged up. i am not really a fan of scout rigs but thats just a personel preferance. otherwise i would go with darrel. i wish some of you guys had read the article in shotgun news then you might see why i am so intrigued. they said with good ammo they averaged .75MOA at 100 yards. now for 400 bucks that aint bad. i don't what i am going to do. i probably wait a month or so and see if this bug wears off. if i do get it i will definitly give a follow up post.

    thanks
    mdcac
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,622 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    MDCAC, you can get the bolt bent for $47. There is a guy over on gunboards who does great work, Jim R "The Boltman". You mail it to him. He is a real artist. Drill and tap $25. New unissued VKT at WG&A is $179. Rings and mount, maybe $25. Scope? well you know you can go to $800 real quick but I got a $80 Tasco on my deer rifle that is damn good. There you are for about $360, and you are dealing with honest well-meaning people. These guys I know of who get overcharged on ammo by IO, they are told $10 to $15 shipping on the phone, they see on the box the cost was $14, and then the credit card gets hit for $32. IO deliberately cheats people. It is stupid because they will lose the customer over some chicken $18 fee, and that p****d off customer will tell others, it's like it feels good to them to cheat people. They are two German brothers, it is a weird deal over there. Plus Liktoshoot says they do a poor job of bending the bolt. Look up the boltman and ask to see some pictures of his work, you will see a proud artist. Let me get off my soap box, even Liktoshoot says IO's snipers are accurate. ps I know what you mean about scout mounts, they are weird. I have one of Darrell's mounts but I havn't put it on yet because the rifle is so pretty as issued and I like the look of a regular scope and bent bolt but that scout just looks weird. I'll put it on one day and I bet I can turn my 2 and1/2 inch groups into 1 inch groups.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."

    Edited by - allen griggs on 05/29/2002 12:13:00
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  • mdcacmdcac Member Posts: 208 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    hey this may be a mute point now but i was looking at IO's website and they have a link to the shotgun news article. if any are interested just go to www.interordnance.com and serach their products until yo find the M39 sniper. at the bottom of the page is a link to the article. an interesting read if nothing else
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,622 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    MDCAC I read that article. That is a great article, no wonder you want one of those rifles. You know, I guess the way the Mosin receiver is so open at the top it may be hard to mount a scope on top in the conventional fashion. I don't know I have never seen it done though I know it is done. That scope sounds pretty good, but it is old and the crosshairs move around in the tube, that is archaic. Well, good luck with whatever you do, be sure to notify us of your results. How about that M39, shooting .65 inch 5 shot groups with a 97 year old rifle. Really when I get 2 and 1/2 inch groups it is like a miracle because my vision isn't too good, I know I will be the prince of the range when I put a scope on the M39. By the way I am reading about guys getting real happy with the $89 "very good" M39s from WG&A. That is an unbelievable hunk of rifle for that price. You know another milsurp that you would be happy with a scope on is the Swiss K31. It is about as accurate as the M39. Ammo is available but more expensive, but you can get these rifles for $100. It is straight pull so, I think you wouldn't have to bend the bolt.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."

    Edited by - allen griggs on 05/30/2002 00:19:22
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