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CRIMINALIZING THE SECOND AMENDMENT

Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
edited April 2002 in General Discussion
CRIMINALIZING THE SECOND AMENDMENT"ZERO TOLERANCE" POLICIES ON GUNSBy: Doug Patton"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms.disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes." ---- Thomas JeffersonAmericans have always recognized the necessity for firearms. For that reason, it will be the longest, most protracted battle the U.S. Government has ever waged to disarm this nation without massive force. Nevertheless, a politically correct hostility, fed by the national media, is growing-in government, in corporate America and among the general public-toward anyone who exercises or even defends the right to keep and bear arms. An acquaintance of mine is a genuine, old-style gunsmith and an expert on many guns made in the last two centuries. Until a few years ago, he was occasionally invited to speak to public school history classes, showing students the weapons that won America's wars. As anyone who has ever sat through a high school history lecture can imagine, it was a fascinating demonstration that made American History come alive for the students.These were non-working weapons. No firing pins. No ammunition. The genuine article, to be sure, but dummy guns nonetheless, designed for one purpose: to look at. These facts had no impact on the decision to ban this man and his historic firearms from the premises when "zero tolerance" policies on weapons became the norm for schools across the country. He could still come and give his little talks, but no guns!Jack Weigand, owner of a firearms business recently ordered a Dell computer. When it had not arrived by the promised date, Weigand called the company and was informed that his order had been cancelled. It seems that in this post-9/11 world, the name of Jack's business, "Weigand Combat Handguns, Inc.," sounded just a little too terroristic for some middle manager at Dell, who was concerned that the computer might be used for "illegal purposes." Because of intense government scrutiny, Weigand's business dealings must be totally above board. Apparently, none of that mattered to the folks at Dell. The "sound" of the name was enough to demonize him and his company. Weigand says Dell has apologized and offered to give him a free computer, which he has declined. Finally, there is the absurd story of a second-grader in Florida, who was arrested and charged with aggravated assault. Officials say he could be expelled for the remainder of this school year and all of the next. His crime? In violation of the school's "zero tolerance" policy (there it is again), this hardened little nine-year-old criminal had chased other students on the playground with a toy gun!I was that age in the fifties, and I just thank the Lord that "zero tolerance" wasn't the law of the schoolyard then, or my education-and that of most of my male classmates-would have ended half-way through first grade. Of course, it never would have occurred to our teachers that what we were playing with was anything other than a toy.In order to transform the United States from a prosperous, representative republic with sweeping personal liberties into the centralized utopia of which they dream, liberals recognized long ago that it would be necessary to convince the American people that their Constitution is "a living, breathing document" that must "change with the times." Unfortunately, many people have accepted that premise. More alarmingly, many judges and legislators accepted it long ago. In their world, the Constitution is just a guide. Rather than accepting its common-sense language at face value, the judiciary can interpret it according to the whims of the day. Unable to persuade the people or their representatives of a radical position on an issue, the Left simply pushes a test case through the courts until the final arbiter of all things legal, the U.S. Supreme Court, usurps the role of the Legislative Branch by creating new law and establishing a precedent, of which there can be no further review. A great deal of evidence exists that armed citizens prevent crime. More important to our Founders was the premise that an armed populace is more likely to remain free from the tyranny of big government. By allowing our lawmakers to restrict the rights of law-abiding gun owners, the courts have arrogantly ignored the clear-cut language of the Second Amendment.The Constitution of the United States of America contains a few simple rules that the U.S. Government must follow in order for the people to maintain their liberties. That is why liberals hate it. http://www.etherzone.com/2002/patt032602.shtml

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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,620 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It would be a battle to disarm the citizenry. But, the government is doing it incrementally. First, this absurd sop to feminists and gun grabbers that anyone convicted of domestic violence cannot have a gun. Worse, it is ex post facto. If a guy pleaded out to a chicken crap misdemeanor domestic violence 20 years ago, even if he didn't even hit his wife, no guns. That has no rational basis, but it cuts out a portion of the population. Then, anyone convicted of any felony cannot have a gun. What if a guy screwed up and got, let's say, an income tax bust. No more guns. Probably, next, anyone with a DUI. Bit by bit they reduce the number of people permitted to have guns.

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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The only group which I think should be prevented from having guns are those who have a realistic likelihood of committing gun crimes. This would include violent offenders, whether that violence was domestic or in the commission of a complementary crime like robbery.

    You can't say everyone with a domestic violence history should be able to have a gun, either. Since real abusive spouses, and stalkers of exes, tend to escalate violence, I would begin to track anybody who is using violence chronically, or breaking restraining orders. That would be a pretty fair indicator of someone mentally imbalanced enough to use a gun on some innocent they were obsessed with.

    Even the NRA stands for stiff penalties for violent criminals.

    The 2nd Amendment is about security, not hunting. Long live the gun shows, and reasonable access to FFLs. Join the NRA -- I'm a Life Member.
  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I guess I should make clear that I have accumulated quite a bit of experience in the psychology of man-woman relationships, and I have nothing but contempt for those who get dumped and can't get over it to the degree that they "go after" the ex.

    If you have an impulse to kill her and maybe yourself, do us all a favor and shoot yourself first.

    Oh, and Betty Broderick? She's right where she belongs, and has no business doing any counseling of other women in prison to validate her own delusions.

    The 2nd Amendment is about security, not hunting. Long live the gun shows, and reasonable access to FFLs. Join the NRA -- I'm a Life Member.
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,620 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I agree, those whose crime makes it likely they are going to commit gun crimes should be excluded. And I have no sympathy for a guy who beats up women. Many of them are unfit to have guns. But a retroactive law for any domestic offense, even a misdemeanor? This doesn't make sense, unless the objective is the gradual prohibition of gun ownership. I mean, 20 years ago a guy could have gotten into a shouting match with his wife and threatened to beat her *, but not laid a hand on her. If she went to the cops, and had the right prosecutor {like a feminist], boom he has a domestic violence conviction, no more guns. Just wait, the next group for exclusion is coming up, and you may find yourself in it. Maybe people with a DUI. The gun grabbers are very shrewd because they know no one is going to defend these groups. Who is going to stand on the streets with a sign, "Get Guns for Wife Beaters". The gun grabbers put a complex issue in a simplistic black and white frame. They are very patient.

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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,620 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have no sympathy for a stalker and I must say I appreciate the feminists getting these stiff stalker laws enacted. I always thought that if my sister had ever gotten stalked that I would go out and stalk the stalker. A guy who sneaks around in the night seeking the weak would hate the idea of a strong person sneaking around for him. At my sister's engagement party I went up to the fiancee in front of my mom and sister and told him , "Welcome to the family. If you ever hit my sister I will come over and break your jaw." I meant it. I thought Nicole Simpson needed a brother like that. Now after I had decked OJ he would have beaten my *, but it would have been messy. He would not have pressed charges, bad for his broadcasting career. I think it would have put a stop to it. As for categories denied guns, G. Gordon Liddy is a good example of what I mean. He served his country honorably for 3 years in the army. After that, he served about 10 years as an FBI agent. He committed some notorious white collar crimes, but never beat up any defenseless person, or threatened anyone with a gun. If you appreciate why the second amendment was written it is absurd that he is denied gun ownership.

    "Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
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