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Gets my vote!!!!!!
travelor
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I copied this off of an email I received today, I thought it deserved an applause:
Congressman Ron Paul's TV Gaffe
By Congressman Ron Paul
House of Representatives
4-28-2
The other day, I made a huge "gaffe" on national TV: I told the truth about the crimes of the U.S. government. As you can imagine, the ceiling fell in, and a couple of walls too. Congressman are supposed to support the government, I was told. Oh, it's okay to criticize around the edges, but there are certain subjects a member of the House of Representatives is not supposed to bring up. But I touched the real "third-rail" of American politics, and the sparks sure flew.
I was interviewed on C-SPAN's morning "Washington Journal," and I used the opportunity, as I do all such media appearances, to point out how many of our liberties have been stolen by the federal government. We must take them back. The Constitution, after all, has a very limited role for Washington, D.C.
If we stuck to the Constitution as written, we would have: no federal meddling in our schools; no Federal Reserve; no U.S. membership in the UN; no gun control; and no foreign aid. We would have no welfare for big corporations, or the "poor"; no American troops in 100 foreign countries; no Nafta, Gatt, or "fast-track"; no arrogant federal judges usurping states rights; no attacks on private property; and no income tax. We could get rid of most of the cabinet departments, most of the agencies, and most of the budget. The government would be small, frugal, and limited.
That system is called liberty. It's what the Founding Fathers gave us. Under liberty, we built the greatest, freest, most prosperous, most decent country on earth. It's no coincidence that the monstrous growth of the federal government has been accompanied by a sickening decline in living standards and moral standards. The feds want us to be hamsters on a treadmill--working hard, all day long, to pay high taxes, but otherwise entirely docile and controlled. The huge, expensive, and out-of-control leviathan that we call the federal government wants to run every single aspect of our lives.
Well, I'm sorry, but that's not America. It's not what the Founders gave us. It's not the country you believe in. It's not the country I believe in. So, on that TV interview, I emphasized not only the attacks on our property, but also the decline of our civil liberties, at the hands of the federal police. There are not supposed to be any federal police, according to the Constitution.
Then I really went over the line. I talked about the Waco massacre. Bill Clinton and Janet Reno claim those 81 church members, including 19 children, burned down their own church and killed themselves, and good riddance. So they put few survivors on trial, and threw them in prison for 40 years.
We're not supposed to remember that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms--talk about an unconstitutional agency--rather than arrest David Koresh on his regular morning jog, called in the TV stations for big publicity bonanza, and sent a swat team in black masks and black uniforms to break down his front door, guns blazing. They also sent in a helicopter gunship, to shoot at the roof of a church full of innocents.
The Branch Davidians resisted, and after a heartless siege of almost two months, and after cutting off food, water, and electricity, and playing horrible rock and roll through huge speakers 24 hours a day, the feds sent in the tanks to crush the walls of the church, and inject poisonous CS gas. Now, CS gas is banned under the Paris Convention on Chemical Warfare. The U.S. could not use it in a war. But it could and did use it against American civilians.
After the tanks did their work on the church, the place burst into flame, and all 81 people--men, women, children, and babies - were incinerated in a screaming horror. Did some feds set the fire? Did the flammable CS gas ignite, since without electricity, the parishioners were using lanterns? Did a tank knock over a lantern, striking one of the bales of hay being used against the thin walls as a "defense" against bullets? Or did the Davidians, as Clinton and Reno claim, kill themselves?
A new documentary- -Waco: The Rules of Engagement- may show, through FLIR infrared photography, FBI snipers killing the Davidians by shooting through the back of the church, where no media cameras were allowed. This film won a prize at the famed Sundance Film Festival. It was made by people who took the government's side, until they investigated.
Whatever the truth, there's no question that an irresponsible federal government has innocent blood on its hands, and not only from Waco. And the refusal of corrupt and perverse liberals to admit it means nothing.
In my r~interview, in answer to a caller's question, I pointed out that Waco, and the federal murders at Ruby Ridge- especially the FBI sniper's shot that blasted apart the head of a young mother holding her baby- caused many Americans to live in fear of federal power. Then I uttered the sentiment that caused the media hysteria: I said that a lot of Americans fear that they too might be attacked by federal swat teams for exercising their constitutional rights, or merely for wanting to be left alone.
Whoa! You've never seen anything like it. For days, in an all-out assault, I was attacked by Democrats, unions, big business, establishment Republicans, and- of course- the media, in Washington and my home state of Texas. Newspapers foamed at the mouth, calling me a "right-wing extremist." (Say, isn't that what George III called Thomas Jefferson?)
I was even blamed for the Oklahoma City bombing! And by the way, I don't believe we've gotten the full truth on that either. All my many opponents were outraged that a Congressman would criticize big government. "If you don't like Washington, resign!" said a typical big-city newspaper editorial.
But the media, as usual, were all wet. (Do they ever get anything right?) The average Congressman may go to Washington to wallow in power, and line his pockets with a big lobbying job for a special interest (so he can keep ripping-off the taxpayers). But that's not why I'm in Congress. It's not why I left my medical practice as a physician. It's not why I put up with all the abuse. It's not why I refuse a plush Congressional pension.
I'm in this fight for a reason. I want to hand on to my children and grandchildren, and to you and your family, a great and free America, an America true to her Constitution, an America worthy of her history. I will not let the crooks and clowns and criminals have their way. I'm in Congress to represent the ideas of liberty, the ideas that you and I share, for the people of my district, for the people of Texas, for the people of America. That's why I'm working to stop federal abuses, and to cut the government: its taxes, its bureaucrats, its paramilitary police, its spending, its meddling overseas, and every single unconstitutional action it takes. And not with a pair of nail scissors, but with a hammer and chisel. Won't you help me do this work?
Not much of the federal leviathan would be left, if I had my way. But you'd be able to keep the money you earn, your privacy would be secure, your dollar would be sound, your local school would be tops, and your kids wouldn't be sent off to some useless or vicious foreign war to fight for the UN. But Jefferson and the other Founders would recognize our government, and our descendants would bless us. By the way, when I say cut taxes, I don't mean fiddle with the code. I mean abolish the income tax and the IRS, and replace them with nothing.
Recently, I asked a famous Republican committee chairman-who's always talking about getting rid of IRS- why he engineered a secret $580 million raise for the tax collectors. "They need it for their computers," this guy told me. So the IRS can't extract enough from us as it is! The National Taxpayers Union says I have the highest pro-taxpayer rating in Congressional history, that I am the top "Taxpayer's Best Friend." You know I won't play the Capitol Hill games with the Capitol Hill gang, denouncing the IRS while giving the Gestapo more of your money. Or figuring out some other federal tax for them to squeeze out of you. I also want to abolish the Federal Reserve, and send Alan Greenspan out to get a job.
The value of our dollar and the level of our interest rates are not supposed to be manipulated by a few members of the power elite meeting secretly in a marble palace. The Federal Reserve is unconstitutional, pure and simple. The only Constitutional money is gold and silver, not notes redeemable in them. Not fed funny money. Without the Federal Reserve, our money could not be inflated at the behest of big government or big banks. Your income and savings would not lose their value. Just as important, we wouldn't have this endless string of booms and busts, recessions and depressions, with each bust getting worse. They aren't natural to the free market; they're caused by the schemers at the Fed. President Andrew Jackson called the 19th-century Fed "The Monster" because it was a vehicle for inflation and all sorts of special-interest corruption. Let me tell you, things haven't changed a bit. I also work to save our schools from D.C. interference. Thanks to the feds, new curriculum
s not only smear the Founders as "racist, slave-owning elitists," they seek to dumb down our students so they will all be equal. "Look-say" reading and the abolition of phonics has the same purpose, and so does the new "fuzzy" math, in which there are no right and no wrong answers. That must be what they use in the U.S. Treasury! It's certainly what they use in the U.S. Congress.
But ever since the beginning of federal aid to education and accelerating with the establishment of the rotten Department of Education, SAT scores have been dropping. Schools, with few exceptions, are getting worse every year. To save our kids, we must get the sticky fingers of the feds off our local schools, and let parents rule. That's what the Constitution says, and the Bible too.
And then there's my least favorite topic, the UN. World government is obviously unconstitutional. It undermines our country's sovereignty in the worst way possible. That's why I want us out of the UN, and the UN itself taking a hike. After all, the UN is socialist and corrupt (many votes can be bought with a "blonde and a case of scotch," one UN ambassador once said). It costs many billions, and it puts our soldiers in UN uniforms under foreign commanders, and sends them off to unconstitutional, undeclared wars. When Michael New, one of the finest young men I've ever met, objected to wearing UN blue, he was kicked out of the American Army. What an outrage! Not one dime for the UN, and not one American soldier! Not in Haiti, not in Bosnia, not in Somalia, not in Rwanda. I know its radical, but how about devoting American military efforts to defending America, and only America?
Such ideas, said one newspaper reporter, make me a maverick who will never go far because he won't go along to get along. Darn right! What does "go far" mean? Get a big government job? To heck with that. And I won't sell my vote for pork either. When I walked through the U.S. Capitol this morning, I got angry. The building is filled with statues and painting of Jefferson, Madison, and the other Founders. Those great men sacrificed everything to give us a free country, and a Constitution to keep it that way. When I was first elected, I placed my hand on the Bible and swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. That's exactly what I'm fighting for. But such ideas drive the liberals crazy. That's why I badly need your help. I've been targeted nationally for defeat. The Democrats, the AFL-CIO, the teachers union, big business PACs, the trial lawyers, the big bankers, the foreign-aid lobbyists, the big media, and the establishment Republicans want to dance on my political grave. The F
ed, the Education Department, and the UN are anxious to join in. They can't stand even one person telling the truth. And they're terrified when that truth gains the people's support.
Sincerely,
Ron Paul
U. S. Congressman
203 Cannon
Washington D.C.
20515
Committee to Re-elect Ron Paul
837 W. Plantation
Clute, Texas
77531
"Congressman Too Truthful" (Congressman Ron Paul) http://disc .server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=24626
Keep Your Eye on the Target: by Congressman Ron Paul http://www.apfn.org/apfn/target.htm
( Just a reminder that you can listen to his weekly taped legislative update, toll free by calling 888-322-1414(US only))
[url][/url]
keep lots of extra uppers for your ar..you can change often enough to keep the thing from over heating...what ever caliber fits the moment..~Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
Congressman Ron Paul's TV Gaffe
By Congressman Ron Paul
House of Representatives
4-28-2
The other day, I made a huge "gaffe" on national TV: I told the truth about the crimes of the U.S. government. As you can imagine, the ceiling fell in, and a couple of walls too. Congressman are supposed to support the government, I was told. Oh, it's okay to criticize around the edges, but there are certain subjects a member of the House of Representatives is not supposed to bring up. But I touched the real "third-rail" of American politics, and the sparks sure flew.
I was interviewed on C-SPAN's morning "Washington Journal," and I used the opportunity, as I do all such media appearances, to point out how many of our liberties have been stolen by the federal government. We must take them back. The Constitution, after all, has a very limited role for Washington, D.C.
If we stuck to the Constitution as written, we would have: no federal meddling in our schools; no Federal Reserve; no U.S. membership in the UN; no gun control; and no foreign aid. We would have no welfare for big corporations, or the "poor"; no American troops in 100 foreign countries; no Nafta, Gatt, or "fast-track"; no arrogant federal judges usurping states rights; no attacks on private property; and no income tax. We could get rid of most of the cabinet departments, most of the agencies, and most of the budget. The government would be small, frugal, and limited.
That system is called liberty. It's what the Founding Fathers gave us. Under liberty, we built the greatest, freest, most prosperous, most decent country on earth. It's no coincidence that the monstrous growth of the federal government has been accompanied by a sickening decline in living standards and moral standards. The feds want us to be hamsters on a treadmill--working hard, all day long, to pay high taxes, but otherwise entirely docile and controlled. The huge, expensive, and out-of-control leviathan that we call the federal government wants to run every single aspect of our lives.
Well, I'm sorry, but that's not America. It's not what the Founders gave us. It's not the country you believe in. It's not the country I believe in. So, on that TV interview, I emphasized not only the attacks on our property, but also the decline of our civil liberties, at the hands of the federal police. There are not supposed to be any federal police, according to the Constitution.
Then I really went over the line. I talked about the Waco massacre. Bill Clinton and Janet Reno claim those 81 church members, including 19 children, burned down their own church and killed themselves, and good riddance. So they put few survivors on trial, and threw them in prison for 40 years.
We're not supposed to remember that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms--talk about an unconstitutional agency--rather than arrest David Koresh on his regular morning jog, called in the TV stations for big publicity bonanza, and sent a swat team in black masks and black uniforms to break down his front door, guns blazing. They also sent in a helicopter gunship, to shoot at the roof of a church full of innocents.
The Branch Davidians resisted, and after a heartless siege of almost two months, and after cutting off food, water, and electricity, and playing horrible rock and roll through huge speakers 24 hours a day, the feds sent in the tanks to crush the walls of the church, and inject poisonous CS gas. Now, CS gas is banned under the Paris Convention on Chemical Warfare. The U.S. could not use it in a war. But it could and did use it against American civilians.
After the tanks did their work on the church, the place burst into flame, and all 81 people--men, women, children, and babies - were incinerated in a screaming horror. Did some feds set the fire? Did the flammable CS gas ignite, since without electricity, the parishioners were using lanterns? Did a tank knock over a lantern, striking one of the bales of hay being used against the thin walls as a "defense" against bullets? Or did the Davidians, as Clinton and Reno claim, kill themselves?
A new documentary- -Waco: The Rules of Engagement- may show, through FLIR infrared photography, FBI snipers killing the Davidians by shooting through the back of the church, where no media cameras were allowed. This film won a prize at the famed Sundance Film Festival. It was made by people who took the government's side, until they investigated.
Whatever the truth, there's no question that an irresponsible federal government has innocent blood on its hands, and not only from Waco. And the refusal of corrupt and perverse liberals to admit it means nothing.
In my r~interview, in answer to a caller's question, I pointed out that Waco, and the federal murders at Ruby Ridge- especially the FBI sniper's shot that blasted apart the head of a young mother holding her baby- caused many Americans to live in fear of federal power. Then I uttered the sentiment that caused the media hysteria: I said that a lot of Americans fear that they too might be attacked by federal swat teams for exercising their constitutional rights, or merely for wanting to be left alone.
Whoa! You've never seen anything like it. For days, in an all-out assault, I was attacked by Democrats, unions, big business, establishment Republicans, and- of course- the media, in Washington and my home state of Texas. Newspapers foamed at the mouth, calling me a "right-wing extremist." (Say, isn't that what George III called Thomas Jefferson?)
I was even blamed for the Oklahoma City bombing! And by the way, I don't believe we've gotten the full truth on that either. All my many opponents were outraged that a Congressman would criticize big government. "If you don't like Washington, resign!" said a typical big-city newspaper editorial.
But the media, as usual, were all wet. (Do they ever get anything right?) The average Congressman may go to Washington to wallow in power, and line his pockets with a big lobbying job for a special interest (so he can keep ripping-off the taxpayers). But that's not why I'm in Congress. It's not why I left my medical practice as a physician. It's not why I put up with all the abuse. It's not why I refuse a plush Congressional pension.
I'm in this fight for a reason. I want to hand on to my children and grandchildren, and to you and your family, a great and free America, an America true to her Constitution, an America worthy of her history. I will not let the crooks and clowns and criminals have their way. I'm in Congress to represent the ideas of liberty, the ideas that you and I share, for the people of my district, for the people of Texas, for the people of America. That's why I'm working to stop federal abuses, and to cut the government: its taxes, its bureaucrats, its paramilitary police, its spending, its meddling overseas, and every single unconstitutional action it takes. And not with a pair of nail scissors, but with a hammer and chisel. Won't you help me do this work?
Not much of the federal leviathan would be left, if I had my way. But you'd be able to keep the money you earn, your privacy would be secure, your dollar would be sound, your local school would be tops, and your kids wouldn't be sent off to some useless or vicious foreign war to fight for the UN. But Jefferson and the other Founders would recognize our government, and our descendants would bless us. By the way, when I say cut taxes, I don't mean fiddle with the code. I mean abolish the income tax and the IRS, and replace them with nothing.
Recently, I asked a famous Republican committee chairman-who's always talking about getting rid of IRS- why he engineered a secret $580 million raise for the tax collectors. "They need it for their computers," this guy told me. So the IRS can't extract enough from us as it is! The National Taxpayers Union says I have the highest pro-taxpayer rating in Congressional history, that I am the top "Taxpayer's Best Friend." You know I won't play the Capitol Hill games with the Capitol Hill gang, denouncing the IRS while giving the Gestapo more of your money. Or figuring out some other federal tax for them to squeeze out of you. I also want to abolish the Federal Reserve, and send Alan Greenspan out to get a job.
The value of our dollar and the level of our interest rates are not supposed to be manipulated by a few members of the power elite meeting secretly in a marble palace. The Federal Reserve is unconstitutional, pure and simple. The only Constitutional money is gold and silver, not notes redeemable in them. Not fed funny money. Without the Federal Reserve, our money could not be inflated at the behest of big government or big banks. Your income and savings would not lose their value. Just as important, we wouldn't have this endless string of booms and busts, recessions and depressions, with each bust getting worse. They aren't natural to the free market; they're caused by the schemers at the Fed. President Andrew Jackson called the 19th-century Fed "The Monster" because it was a vehicle for inflation and all sorts of special-interest corruption. Let me tell you, things haven't changed a bit. I also work to save our schools from D.C. interference. Thanks to the feds, new curriculum
s not only smear the Founders as "racist, slave-owning elitists," they seek to dumb down our students so they will all be equal. "Look-say" reading and the abolition of phonics has the same purpose, and so does the new "fuzzy" math, in which there are no right and no wrong answers. That must be what they use in the U.S. Treasury! It's certainly what they use in the U.S. Congress.
But ever since the beginning of federal aid to education and accelerating with the establishment of the rotten Department of Education, SAT scores have been dropping. Schools, with few exceptions, are getting worse every year. To save our kids, we must get the sticky fingers of the feds off our local schools, and let parents rule. That's what the Constitution says, and the Bible too.
And then there's my least favorite topic, the UN. World government is obviously unconstitutional. It undermines our country's sovereignty in the worst way possible. That's why I want us out of the UN, and the UN itself taking a hike. After all, the UN is socialist and corrupt (many votes can be bought with a "blonde and a case of scotch," one UN ambassador once said). It costs many billions, and it puts our soldiers in UN uniforms under foreign commanders, and sends them off to unconstitutional, undeclared wars. When Michael New, one of the finest young men I've ever met, objected to wearing UN blue, he was kicked out of the American Army. What an outrage! Not one dime for the UN, and not one American soldier! Not in Haiti, not in Bosnia, not in Somalia, not in Rwanda. I know its radical, but how about devoting American military efforts to defending America, and only America?
Such ideas, said one newspaper reporter, make me a maverick who will never go far because he won't go along to get along. Darn right! What does "go far" mean? Get a big government job? To heck with that. And I won't sell my vote for pork either. When I walked through the U.S. Capitol this morning, I got angry. The building is filled with statues and painting of Jefferson, Madison, and the other Founders. Those great men sacrificed everything to give us a free country, and a Constitution to keep it that way. When I was first elected, I placed my hand on the Bible and swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. That's exactly what I'm fighting for. But such ideas drive the liberals crazy. That's why I badly need your help. I've been targeted nationally for defeat. The Democrats, the AFL-CIO, the teachers union, big business PACs, the trial lawyers, the big bankers, the foreign-aid lobbyists, the big media, and the establishment Republicans want to dance on my political grave. The F
ed, the Education Department, and the UN are anxious to join in. They can't stand even one person telling the truth. And they're terrified when that truth gains the people's support.
Sincerely,
Ron Paul
U. S. Congressman
203 Cannon
Washington D.C.
20515
Committee to Re-elect Ron Paul
837 W. Plantation
Clute, Texas
77531
"Congressman Too Truthful" (Congressman Ron Paul) http://disc .server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=24626
Keep Your Eye on the Target: by Congressman Ron Paul http://www.apfn.org/apfn/target.htm
( Just a reminder that you can listen to his weekly taped legislative update, toll free by calling 888-322-1414(US only))
[url][/url]
keep lots of extra uppers for your ar..you can change often enough to keep the thing from over heating...what ever caliber fits the moment..~Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
Comments
Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
I'm not sure what this E-mail suggests. Should we pull completley out of the global sphere since the constitution doesnt allow for the U.N.? (I have read this document 100's of time and I have no idea where that clause is) Should we return to the xenephobia of the pre-1940's area of our history? The constitution was written for 13 states 225 years ago. To say that we should rigidly stick to that mold and not adapt the constitution (AS IT WAS DESIGHNED FOR) is just silly. That's like saying we should follow traffic laws desighned for Model T's (30 m.p.h speed limits on highways?)
I want a government big enough to defend me from terrorist crashing into buildings. I want a government that will standarise currency, that will keep my food and water safe, that will keep my gas prices low.
If you dont like it, do what John Walker did, go fight for someone else.
One more suggestion: Buy a dictionary.
Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
keep lots of extra uppers for your ar..you can change often enough to keep the thing from over heating...what ever caliber fits the moment..~Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
Edited by - 7mm nut on 05/03/2002 03:33:03
keep lots of extra uppers for your ar..you can change often enough to keep the thing from over heating...what ever caliber fits the moment..~Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
I suppose the Constitution being so flexible means that the right to keep and bear arms only applies to flintlocks, then, eh? And freedom of the press only means a wood-block hand operated press? PLEASE!!!!! INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS are not granted by any government, they are inborn, and cannot be removed by the government or by any individual or group, unless the rights of another INDIVIDUAL are violated. Read the Federalist Papers, The Anti-Federalist Papers, the Treatises on Government by Locke, "The Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith, and then dissect the Constitution.
Here's a note from my Congressman, Jim Sennsennbrenner. (abbreviated by myself) The typos are mine, never learned to cut and paste!
"Dear Mr. (Timberbeast)
Thank you for your recent communication regarding campaign finance reform.
I did not support the campaign finance reform legislation (the Shays-Meehan Bill) that passed on Feb. 14th, by a vote of 240 to 189, because I believe it is unconstitutional..................
The Shays-Meeham bill is riddled with exemptions for specific special interests..........This bill doesn't ban soft money. It lets special interests, unions, and corporations to spend unlimited soft money on federal elections. If soft money is as bad as they claim, they should be saying "ban it all and ban it now." ............It also weakens criminal penalties for campaign law violators. Furthermore, an important amendment that I supported, which would have allowed only American citizens to contribute to campaigns, failed. In order to vote in this country, you have to be an American citizen, but the Shays-Meehan bill continues to allow foreigners to give money to influence elections................This disregard for constitutional jurisprudence and those freedoms enshrined in the First Amendment will lead to a more cumbersome campaign finance system than presently exists............While I am dissapointed that this legislation was signed into law, I look forward to the court challenge to this bill. I am hopeful the courts will strike it down as unconstitutional."
If one reads what the constitution says, then Ron Paul is 100% correct. The Federal government is nowhere close to staying in the boundaries that are outlined in the Constitution.
But what Ron Paul ignores is the fact that most people do not know the constitution, and do not care. And even worse than that, many are like SIXSTRINGER, who think the words and intent of the constitution are there to be tinkered with in order to extract what you want it to say. And even wosre, ignore it all together.
It is true, that the constitution can be changed, but SixStringers belief that the "beauty of the constitution is that we can change it as much as we want" is wrong. We cannot change it "as much as we want"
The "beauty" of the constitution, is that it can be changed, but it is very difficult to do so. The founders wanted to make it difficult, so that the constitution was not changed for whimsical reasons, and they realized that making it too easy to change could lead to a Federal government that would change it so as to give the Federal government more power, and more control.
The scary part, is that rather than change the constitution, the modern body politic just ignores it. All three branches just ignore it, rather than change it, because they know there is no way they can get what is necessary to change the constitution so that they can "constitutionally" get what they want. And the ultimate check on our politicians is the people, and the people are mostly like SIXSTRINGER-they either do not care about the constitution, or they are ignorant to its words and intent. I am sure SIXSTRINGER would think that because he is in the majority he is right- but in the words of TOUQUEVILLE; "BEWARE OF THE TYRANNY OF THE MASSES".
Happiness is a warm gun
travelor,
I'm sad to say it but the general population are already sheep and as a percentage it will only get worse from here on.
7mm
Amen to your comments. You are right on.
The question really is what are we to do about it? The election process will never work, things are to big and out of hand.
Lt
"We become what we habitually do. If we act rightly, we become upright men. If we habitually act wrongly, or weakly, we become weak and corrupt" - *ARISTOTLE*
**Like Grandad used to say--"It'll feel better when it quits hurtin"
I think his idea is right for the most part... The carrying of guns in Washington in such numbers can only mean Trouble...But we must be prepared for trouble if such an event were to take place. How many people are willing to lay down their lives for the Constitution of the Country it was written for...the FREEDOMS it gauranteed?
When I started this post, I had no idea that I would be writing these words now. But after reading what a few of you have to say in responce, I will continue writing.
Hypothisis: How about a march on the mall of Washington? Exorsizing our Constitutional Rights to bear arms to defend ourselves against tyrany? The removal of office of any congressman, or senator who does not endorse nor administer The Constitution, The Declaration of Independence, and The Bill of Rights....By force if nessesary. Such action would indeed become a second American Revolution. Are we ready for such action? Are you "with us or against us"? Ask Colon Powel ( I hope I spelled his name right.) Ask our Commander in Chief. Present a reasonable draft of an agreeable rendition of the original Document(s) [barring all "unconstitutional changes" or something to that effect] to all parties involved and obtain their signatures, or remove them from office. Then hold them to enforce the very documents they sign. Make them accountable for their instrument. Do you want to be FREE? Do you want to pass on a legacy of freedom to your children, so that they can pass it on to theirs? I do....
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I have been teaching for years that most of what our government does is not even legal. Don't take my word for it, read the enumerated powers (Article 1, Section 8), read what the Founders meant by the general welfare clause, which is actually a dependent clause on the 18 powers listed in Article 1, Section 8, read the Tenth Amendment, and read the Federalist Papers. Unless a power is specifically authorized in the Constitution (Article 1, Section 8) then it is not only denied, it is prohibited to the national government!!! So, check that list! I have my students do so and this comes as a big shock to them to learn that so much our government does is illegal! Don't take my word for it. Write to CATO, they are on line, tell them I'm nuts and what I said, and then sit back and let these scholars tell you the truth. You can check with the Claremont Institute, Mackinac, and many others. But Paul is correct, most of what the national government does is illegal!
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"Hitler was a socialist..."
Sixstringer- Can you show in the constitution where it authorizes a "bureau of alcohol,tobacco, and firarms"? And if you cant find it in the constitution(which you cannot) explain why you think the constitution authorizes the federal government to create this agency.
Can you show me in the constitution where it authorizes the Federal government to have a department of education, and where in the constitution does it authorize the federal government to dictate how children should be educated?
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Article one section 8 "general Welfare" translates to; Whatever congress deems is general welfare.
The interstate commerce clause means; The government can regulate anything that might cross state lines, even if the regulation occurs when it is already across state lines, or before it crosses state lines.
14th amendment means; the government can decide what power it shall have with respect to anything not covered by the 2 mentioned above.
This is the "holy trinity" of the constitutional negators.
Interstate commerce
General Welfare
14th amendment
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Edited by - salzo on 05/03/2002 13:39:36
I spent about three months last year just going over the ICC, and I agree that its not only a stretch, its completely insane. (We've gone as far as to regualte guns in schools on the basis of ICC (see Lopez))
But here is the question. How do we come upon reasonable consensus? What to do with the ICC isnt obvious is it? Where does the power stop, it isn't clear. If it was ment to be clear though.. it seems like the founders would have made it so.
Same with General welfare, what does it mean? Once again, it isnt obvious.
The constitution is ment to be enterpited, and does atleast have an ammendment process, so, what do we do with it? How do we formulate federal law in a way that conforms with it, when its not clear what it means?
The thing that bothers me most about the supreme court is that it is an unchecked body of monarchs basically. Every opinion and decent is just a justification for a pre-supposed ideology, not an interpitation of the constitution. And the justification for judicial review (Maurbary v. Madison) is scetchy at best. To me this is the problem, the Supreme Court. Yet still, it seems like the problem is how do we check federal law against a document that is so vauge? Do we need to re-write the thing?
I spent about three months last year just going over the ICC, and I agree that its not only a stretch, its completely insane. (We've gone as far as to regualte guns in schools on the basis of ICC (see Lopez))
But here is the question. How do we come upon reasonable consensus? What to do with the ICC isnt obvious is it? Where does the power stop, it isn't clear. If it was ment to be clear though.. it seems like the founders would have made it so.
Same with General welfare, what does it mean? Once again, it isnt obvious.
The constitution is ment to be enterpited, and does atleast have an ammendment process, so, what do we do with it? How do we formulate federal law in a way that conforms with it, when its not clear what it means?
The thing that bothers me most about the supreme court is that it is an unchecked body of monarchs basically. Every opinion and decent is just a justification for a pre-supposed ideology, not an interpitation of the constitution. And the justification for judicial review (Maurbary v. Madison) is scetchy at best. To me this is the problem, the Supreme Court. Yet still, it seems like the problem is how do we check federal law against a document that is so vauge? Do we need to re-write the thing?
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