In order to participate in the GunBroker Member forums, you must be logged in with your GunBroker.com account. Click the sign-in button at the top right of the forums page to get connected.

Welfare and the next American revolution

thesoundguy1thesoundguy1 Member Posts: 680
edited May 2002 in General Discussion
This is the first time I've started a topic,so here goes.
The welfare system will never go away,and here's why I believe it
won't.
The welfare system is a"blackmail pay-off".Historicaly,most revolutions begin with most poor of a society,and when the economic
situation of a given society begins to affect the more educated
and insightful in the middle class,things become more organized,
and full-blown revolutions take place.(The communist revolution in
Russia and,the French revolution,all began with the very
poor populace and the"diplaced" middle class).
The civil rights movement did not gather any real steam until
the involvement of the prominent and middle class.
But,the civil rights movement has come up short,as will any real
revolution,on any significant level in this country,because of the welfare system.The overtaxed middle and working class will not be
able make any real changes,because the welfare system keeps the welfare class at odds with the working and middle classes.
The working and middle classes,pushing for tax relief and other changes in our government,threatens the very welfare system the
very poorest of this country rely on for their"livelyhoods".
So for the corrupt beuracracy,welfare is a small price to pay
to keep the "proletariat" pacified.
In exchange for this blackmail payment,the very poorest are more than
willing to give-up freedoms that the working and middle classes
hold dear.
Is my logic flawed or,am I looking at this wrong? I'm willing to hear some other perspectives!

Comments

  • WodanWodan Member Posts: 22 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    You sound like you have some Libertarian views. We need a third party like this to regain our freedoms. www.lp.org/issues/platform/

    I shalt punish thy bodies, because the more thou sweateth in training; the least thou bleedeth in combat
  • thesoundguy1thesoundguy1 Member Posts: 680
    edited November -1
    Thanks Wodan,but I'm not sure what my political view is.I try to apply
    life experiences,and what little common sense I have to the things
    that concern me.
  • Gordian BladeGordian Blade Member Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Saxon, what you said!
  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    The majority of welfare recipients is white.

    AlleninAlaska aglore@gci.net

    Free men are not equal and equal men are not free
  • MercuryMercury Member Posts: 7,830 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You guys are *completely* clueless if you think the average welfare recipient is voting!

    THEY ARE NOT!

    Go look at voting day, you will NOT see many poor people at the voting booths!

    I'd say that 95% of the welfare recipients aren't even registered to vote!

    Since less than 50% of the population in general doesn't vote, I feel that is pretty safe. :)

    Merc

    BTW-Your average "welfare person" is a woman, with kids, and is white. The average person is also usually on welfare for less than 18 months.

    NO! You may not have my guns! Now go crawl back into your hole!

    ****************************************

    "Tolerating things you may not necessarily like is part of being free" - Larry Flynt
  • Bushy ARBushy AR Member Posts: 564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I wonder how the "work-fare" program is working out. Aren't benefits cut off after a time if the person is offered a job and does not take it? Does this vary from state to state? How is it going in those states? Are there records of this yet? Anyone got any first-hand experiance with this? I tend to not believe what I read and hear in the liberal media. I trust some of the members of this board more than the media.

    "The best thing about the future is that it comes only one day at a time"...Abraham Lincoln
  • thesoundguy1thesoundguy1 Member Posts: 680
    edited November -1
    Mercury,
    the fact that many welfare recipients don't vote,I feel makes an argument for my observation that started this thread.They did not vote for the
    welfare system,they certainly are not voting for it.Who voted for it?
    I did not vote for it.Did we ever get a chance to vote on it?
    Of course not.Saxon my very well be right...I may be stupid;)
  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The real flaw in the logic is that revolutions are started by the very lowest socio-economic groups. They are not. Revolutions are started in the middle classes as they are economically crunched from above. This is true of the French, the Russian, the U.S. and other revolutions.
  • MercuryMercury Member Posts: 7,830 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Soundguy,
    Vote? I don't remember anyone voting welfare into office. :) It was something that politicians came up with to keep people under their thumbs, in my opinion.

    Welfare IS a good idea (leave it to the gov. to screw it up!) Some people, at some time, will need a helping hand. However, it shouldn't be a hand OUT, it should be a hand UP. And it shouldn't be forever!

    Merc

    NO! You may not have my guns! Now go crawl back into your hole!

    ****************************************

    "Tolerating things you may not necessarily like is part of being free" - Larry Flynt
  • Gordian BladeGordian Blade Member Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Some aren't going to like what I say, but the single biggest group receiving government welfare money votes in a high percentage, and they have an active lobbying organization that is even now trying to get lots more. If they can be scared that the money flow will slow down, true or not (mostly not), they can be relied upon to pull the "D" lever in the booth. Thank FDR for starting the pyramid scheme called Social Security, and LBJ for extending the idea to medical benefits.
  • Bushy ARBushy AR Member Posts: 564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gordian Blade...X-ring!! If I am not mistaken,30 years ago the majority of our tax dollars went to defence.Now it is entitlement programs.That includes Social Security,Military retirements,Welfare programs,and the like.Lets not forget our retired Senators and Congressmen too.I would like to to see what group makes up the greatist precentage.I bet it would be surprising.

    "The best thing about the future is that it comes only one day at a time"...Abraham Lincoln
  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    Bushy AR, since when did a Military Retirement become an Entitlement program. Military Retirement comes from spending 20 or more years serving your country.

    AlleninAlaska aglore@gci.net

    Free men are not equal and equal men are not free
  • Bushy ARBushy AR Member Posts: 564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Aglore...I don't know when it happened,but military retirement funds are grouped in with the less deserved type of entitlements by the House Ways and Means comittee.Entitlement does not always mean "unearned".

    "The best thing about the future is that it comes only one day at a time"...Abraham Lincoln
  • thesoundguy1thesoundguy1 Member Posts: 680
    edited November -1
    It's been brought to my attention that the largest welfare recipients
    in this country are actually corporations,in the form of tax breaks,
    abatements,etc.The auto industry bailouts,more recently the airline bailouts.Can these be considered welfare?
  • thesoundguy1thesoundguy1 Member Posts: 680
    edited November -1
    HeDog
    Maybe I should clarify what I was trying to say.The seeds of a revolution,(disconnection of a government from it's people,etc.
    leading to widespread distrust of the government,or government
    abuses of power.),historicly has been planted in a nations most
    poor.Out of fear,or lack of the skills to organize,the revolution
    does not take place.It's when displaced middle class,work in
    congress with the poorer folk that these rovolts grow into
    course-of-history changeing events.
    Please forgive me for my lack of clarity in my topic starter.
    To quote "Forrest Gump"-"I'm not a smart man."
Sign In or Register to comment.