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WOLF AMMO

snarlgardsnarlgard Member Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited July 2002 in General Discussion
I have heard rumor that the lacquer-coated wolf ammo tends to clog the chambers of AR-15 style rifles. Apparently sustained fire causes the lacquer to melt off of the casings and fill the chamber creating a "goo" substance when the rifle cools. Ultimately (so I've heard), this causes feeding and extractions problems. Has anyone had this experience? Would the new copper-coated steel casings manufactured by Wolf cause similar problems?I just ordered a case of Wolf ammo and am wondering if I should cancel the order.
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  • snarlgardsnarlgard Member Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    what is the consensus on wolf ammo
    I have shot 200 rds of wolf 45 ammo in my 1911a1 and can see no dammage from the steel case which is what the guy at the range said was the major problem.
    I like the way it shoots and it looks like it would store well but would like to hear what others think before I buy 8 or 9 hundred rounds more

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  • snarlgardsnarlgard Member Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have bought hundreds of ammo made by Wolf in 7.62x39. It fired and fed just fine so I thought I would try some in .223 for my AR-15. After about 3 magazines full it started to jam and would not eject for anything. It did this in both my duty AR and my heavy barrel varmit AR. After running a brush through it, things returned to normal.

    I figure that this coating that is put on the steel cases builds up and eventually coats the chamber till malfunctions occur because of the tighter chamber tolerances. So much for the good prices on this ammo. I shoot it for targets and plinking anyway so I guess when I finish the case of ammo, I will go with brass cased ammo from now on.
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  • snarlgardsnarlgard Member Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Since I am relativly new here, I'm sure this has probably been hashed
    over before, But my question is about wolf ammo. I have been told
    by a number of people and also read on some companies info. page
    not to use steel cased ammo. Also the lacquer on the case melts
    when the chamber gets hot and sticks to the inside of the chamber.
    when it cools it's a bear to get out and causes malfuntions due to
    the smaller chamber tolerances. Anybody have any problems with wolf?
    I won't shoot it in my firearms. Does anybody use it?

    What doesn't kill me only makes me stronger
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  • snarlgardsnarlgard Member Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    SUCKS, for use in the AR15, however my SKS just eats it up. go figure.

    PJ

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  • snarlgardsnarlgard Member Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A coworker is picking up a Mini 30 this weekend and asked about using Wolf ammo in it.

    Anyone here use wolf in their Mini 30?
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  • snarlgardsnarlgard Member Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Do any of you use the Wolf ammo in 223/5.56? Lake City is hard to get right now, but Wolf seems available most everywhere.

    Good? Dirty? Cycling problems?
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  • snarlgardsnarlgard Member Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can anybody give me anyfeed back on WOLF ammo?especially 9mm Luger 115 gr. Copper FMJ steel case non-corrosive Berdan primed.
    R.J.H.
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  • snarlgardsnarlgard Member Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is it any safer to run Wolf through an AR since the change to a polymer coating instead of the lacquer coating? On AR15.com, most of the posters seem to have a favorable opinion of the polymer coated ammo being run through an AR. I thought I'd get input from you guys.

    Where's Roboman when you need him?[:D]
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  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Never had any trouble at all using Wolf in 45 ACP and 7.62x39mm.

    I'm sure the steel casings wear down the extractors, but that's about it. For the low cost of Wolf, I'll deal with it and stock up on extractors.

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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    This is a frequent question around here, and I believe the general concensus us that its good ammo, opinions run from ok to very good. I've had no problems with its accuracy or dependability. I have not shot enough of it through one gun to know if it would wear a gun out, but I figure the barrel would probably wear out before the metal casings would do enough damage to the ramp of your gun to affect anything. The coating on the Wolfe ammo is pretty slick anyway.

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
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  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Shoots fine for me, I've put a case thru my mini-14 so far (1000rds) and no signs of abuse or wear. My only complaint is that it smells horible when you shoot it. That and it dirties up my gun to much. But for the price, hey I ain't complainin

    If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

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  • stanmanstanman Member Posts: 3,052
    edited November -1
    Leeblackman,
    Absolutely right on both counts!! The stuff stinks like heck and leaves a nasty, greasy, gray film all over my SKS. So, I took a trip to Wal-Mart (did I say that out loud??) and bought 2 boxes of UMC. Well, let me say that after paying $4.00 per 10 round mag I'll go back to the dirty, stinky Wolf stuff too! The Remington brass is great though, IF you can recover it, and, IF you're of a mind to reload 7.62. I can't see messing with it for my purposes, but being the scrounge I am, I still brought home about 30 cases. Stupid!
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  • snarlgardsnarlgard Member Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    thanks guys
    I always clean my guns when i get home anyway so that is not a problem
    have even trained the wife to clean hers....seems to extend the range time to sit and clean guns together and talk about the days shooting

    TIP TO GUYS ....TAKE YOUR WIFE TO SHOOT AND NEVER HAVE TO EXPLAIN A NEW GUN
    now if i can just get her to stop spending all the gun money!!!

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  • dandydandy Member Posts: 221 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have fired thousands of rounds in a Sig 226 with no problems at all, however I tried it in the new USP 40 and it jammed consistently.Went back to reloads with no problems and fired 400 rounds of Blazer withn no difficulty last time at the range.I guess you never know what a pistol likes until you try it, if you had not had a problem with Wolf I would sure use it at the range, you just can't beat the price.
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  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    I buy 223 reloads from an old guy I know for 15 bucks per 100 rounds and 45 ACP for 9 bucks per 50 both are FMJ's and brass cased non corosive.Ive been getting my 40s+w's from wally world because they have winchester factory ammo for 8.49 per 50. Im gonna call charlie and see what his 40's run though because hes usually cheaper than anybody else. Ive been getting ammo from him for several years and only had one bad 223 round. The bullet wasnt seated and it failed to feed. The bullet was pushed back inside the caseing. Now I just check my ammo a little more carefully when Im putting together my stripper clips.

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  • SUBMARINERSUBMARINER Member Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    IVE FOUND THAT MY SIG IS MORE RELIABLE WITH MORE DIFFERENT TYPES OF AMMO THAN MY BUDDIES GLOCK OR MY HK USP.IVE BEEN TEMPTED SEVERAL TIMES TO ORDER SOME WOLF..GUESS I GOT NO MORE EXCUSES

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  • bartobarto Member Posts: 4,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i've put 500 rds. through my m44 russian with absolutely no probs.
    plus, the price is really right.
    barto

    the hard stuff we do right away - the impossible takes a little longer
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  • inspectorknuckleheadinspectorknucklehead Member Posts: 81 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Has anyone had any problems with the lacquer coating melting off in the chamber and gumming up the works? I heard that if you shoot alot and heat up the chamber/barrel, the coating could melt off of a round left in the chamber and actually glue the cartridge in the chamber. Anyone seen this? I've fired alot of Russian ammo in my AR, and never had a problem, but I've never fired rapid fire.
    Also, just bought a new Romanian SAR-1 and a 1,000rds. of ammo, though I haven't had a chance to test for this problem, or test solvents to disolve the lacquer coatings.
    I hope this is just a rumor, because I have a Buttload of Russian ammo stockpiled. It's just too cheap not to stock up on.
    And yes, some of it is cached underground.

    John Colson

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  • airborneairborne Member Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Never had any problems, in fact, just ordered another 2,000 rounds from Cheaper Than Dirt.

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  • lokdok1lokdok1 Member Posts: 383 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've fired approx. 1100 rnds of Wolf .45 through my Charles Daly and Colt Commander since May and have had no problems at all. Some young fellas that shoot IDPA matches mentioned to me that the Wolf laquer coating gets "sticky" and the shells jamb after the weapon heats up,so I fired 150 rnds as fast as my 2 teenage girls could keep the mags loaded and still no malfunctions. 200 of Wolf .40 rounds fired through my CZ100 in one afternoon just left us a little sooty and with a very sore trigger finger.(what's up with that? Is it because of the light weight?)As for being dirty I inquired in another forum as to what homemade formula there is that I could use to "rinse out" my guns with at the range.Somebody said Varsol in a stainless steel container. Ever heard of that?

    Bartman
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  • 4wheeler4wheeler Member Posts: 3,441
    edited November -1
    I thought I would try some wolf 223,bought it at the gun show for $100 per 1000 rounds.Shot some thru my ar-15 this evening and shot well with no jams,but it does stink,smell that is.

    "It was like that when I got here".
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    inspectorknucklehead--It is always good to follow manufacturers' advice when it comes to using their guns. However, certain manufacturers have published controversial subject matter that is disregarded without concern by many shooters. For example, the Winchester website has a big "schpiel" on barrel break-in which is followed religiously by some and disregarded by others. I always sleep with my head facing east. I always seem to sleep better that way. If it makes you more confident in your equipment then go for it. Olypic Arms published the information that you mentioned here on their website. Hence, Biblical faith is placed in that information by some and completely disregarded by others. Test the Wolf ammo out in your gun. If it gives you no problems then it doesn't really matter. If it gives you problems, then just clean the lacquer out of your gun and don't shoot the Wolf ammo anymore. It certainly wouldn't be permanantly detrimental to firearms or it wouldn't have such a following when it comes to purchasing inexpensive plinking ammo.
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  • austin247austin247 Member Posts: 375 ✭
    edited November -1
    The following link might be helpful in deciding whether or not to shoot Wolf ammo in a .223

    http://www.olyarms.com/ammowarning.html
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  • dads-freeholddads-freehold Member Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    greetings, i have fired the 7.62 in several mak-90s, the .45 in a couple 645s and a witness, the 9mm and .40 in rugers, taurus, stars, astras, s&w and cobrays. never had any probs. son said he had a few minor probs with the .223 in the mini. respt submitted dads-freehold

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  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    CHEAP COMMIE JUNK

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  • carbinekingcarbineking Member Posts: 60 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think the previous owner of my Sig Pro .40 fired some 2,500 rounds of Wolf through it. I fired a couple boxes, no problem. I actually think WinClean is dirtier personally. Only weird thing, maybe it only pertains to my gun, is that the heavier steel casings don't kick as far out when ejecting as brass do. In fact, they almost pop straight back. I had one fly in the space between my face and shooting glasses and end up resting on my cheek! Otherwise, no problems.
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  • Matt45Matt45 Member Posts: 3,185
    edited November -1
    Wolf Ect is great ammo for SKS's, AK's and rifles that are chambered for 7.62X54R. I just can't bring myself to run it through my Glock, HK Compact or my Bushmaster.


    Speaking of commie brass, if any has some expended, re-loadable 7.62X39 that they are saving for no good reason, I'll certianly take it! Just drop me a line- Irish300@Hotmail.com

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  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,643 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for that link, Austin.

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  • hillbillyhippiechichillbillyhippiechic Member Posts: 97 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I shoot at least 6 boxes through my Yugo SKS every weekend, no problems, AWESOME price!
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  • thesoundguy1thesoundguy1 Member Posts: 680 ✭
    edited November -1
    By and large with rifle calibers,it's just fine.But I have a FEG pa-63,and it hates the stuff!Hornady,works flawlessly in the FEG,but WOLF refuses to chamber in the gun!

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