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Interesting take in the debate of gun control

SawzSawz Member Posts: 6,049
edited May 2002 in General Discussion
Local paper site has a comments section where there is a debate going on where they want ccw permits to be null and void in Churches and Schools lots of ranting and raving on both sides. This one seems to hit closer to the root of the problem in my opinion. What say you ?


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Both sides of the gun debate give convincing stats. Allow guns and crime goes down, say gun activists. Ban guns and crime goes down, say gun-control activists.

I suspect both sides are somewhat correct, and they carefully pick those statistics that support their cause. But both sides are missing the main point entirely.

Crime isn't caused by gun control, or gun rights. It's caused by attitudes. I believe other nations have lower gun deaths not because they have different gun laws, but because they have different attitudes.

I'm an American, and I love my country, but let's face it: Americans are a very impatient bunch. We want our way, and we want it now. We are fiercely competitive. We are used to being on top, and we hate to lose. We will spend ourselves into bankruptcy so we can have now and pay later.

So people rob with guns because they want the goods NOW. And when there is a disagreement over something, the impatient will threaten a lawsuit, the more impatient will go ahead and sue, and the most impatient will take out a gun and shoot the other guy.

Too many of us will use and abuse whatever it takes ... a lawsuit, a person, a car, a knife, or a gun ... to get what we want ... NOW.
Our problem has little to do with guns or gun control. We have a self-control problem.

Addressing crime with gun-control or concealed weapons is only treating the symptoms ... not the disease, and the problem won't be fixed until parents get in gear and get their families fixed.


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  • seductiveoneseductiveone Member Posts: 159 ✭
    edited November -1
    Ahh... Good point. Makes you think... no it doesnt, I know our attitude about being the greatist nation in the world might be a problem. But since it is true, we fall under a different catagory than say France where there used to being, well, not the best. They just think they are.

    My point is there is nothing we can do about being arogent(cant spel) because thats who we are. We need our guns to defend against other arogent criminals we might encounter. I am not saying I do criminal activities, I am just arogent about being a misspelling American. There is no better nation than the gool ol' U.S.ofA.

    Anyways criminals do not follow gun laws so they would have all the guns, and then what? Gun crimes will rise. Other contries have all ready emposed gun bans and registration and look where it got them.

    So I vote for guns 4 me. Whose with me?
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  • ref44ref44 Member Posts: 251 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think we should defend our gun rights, not by the need to have them, but by the fact the Constitution guarantees it. The government did NOT grant us the right to defend ourselves. We were endowed by our Creator with that and other rights. The Bill of Rights was written to enumerate those rights which the government is required to protect. But too many people like Al Gore claim the Constitution is a "living document" and must change with the times.

    Isn't it interesting that the Founders grouped five rights in the First Amendment, then included a sixth by itself in the Second Amendment? Why couldn't it have been included with the other five? Because it undergirds all the rest and must be protected at all costs. Don't think for a moment that the freedoms of speech, religion, press, etc. will last very long if the Second Amendment is ever revoked.
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  • SawzSawz Member Posts: 6,049
    edited November -1
    Ok aside from our second ammendment rights which is a given for most of us here anyway this seems to adress back to the guns dont kill people kill. But why do they kill? see its trying to get down where the real problem is . not adressing all the symptoms like so often happens INMHO

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  • seductiveoneseductiveone Member Posts: 159 ✭
    edited November -1
    Reff44- I agree. Thats why the Bill of Rights was written, so nobody can take away our god givin rights. I think it is a common sence right as well as, freedom of speech,press,assemble peacefully,and more but make no mistake, we need to defend that because there are still people out there who still need to have someone wipe their butts for them. The constitution was written in regaurd to being a free and prosporous nation. That will all fail is our beloved constitution becomes a "living document" subject to die..

    Sawz- I do not know what INMHO is.
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  • thesoundguy1thesoundguy1 Member Posts: 680 ✭
    edited November -1
    Yes,as I've pointed out in previous posts. We have an attitude problem.We are pretty full of ourselves.At least that seems to be the impression I get from other people around the globe.
    About the 2nd ammendment.
    I believe the RKBA is the second ammendment as a caution to anyone
    thinking of abridgeing,or stripping us of any of the five rights
    guarateed by the first.
    Our founding fathers EXPECT us to take up arms against ANYONE who
    attempts,or successfully robs us of any part of the first ammendment.
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