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Harleeman1030
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Ok we have debated on truckers,cops,army enlistment lol ,
How about the oil and gas industry(sp)
I for one have never dumped anything into the gulf of mexico on purpose...But if you live in FLORIDA,ALASKA,CALI,
Why should we not drill there and keep depending on overseas oil....
Gas (natural gas) only comes form America we pipeline that into the beach...I have been on platforms that produce 445 MILLION CUBIC FEET A DAY GAS AND 120,000 BARRELS OF OIL A DAY....
I know this country has the oil and gas we just need to get it...This is a story on my company web page:
Los Angeles, Bob Pool, 9/05/02) One of Los Angeles' oldest oilfields has turned into something slick.
That's the consensus of visitors to Hilltop Park in Signal Hill, where old derricks and petroleum tanks have been replaced by a garden and innovative sculpture that frame one of Southern California's most sweeping vistas.
The 3-year-old park is perched on the western edge of 365-foot-high Signal Hill--named for the smoke signals that Puvuvitam Indians used in the 1500s to communicate with tribal members living on Catalina Island.
These days, the unusual park is more of a signal that land-use experts have finally come to make peace with old oilfields--not the controversy, for example, that Los Angeles school officials became immersed in over the site of the Belmont Learning Center in downtown Los Angeles.
"Because of oil production, the top of the hill was not subdivided and open space was preserved, ultimately allowing for the creation of Hilltop Park," proclaims a marker at the park.
On clear days, park visitors can gaze southeast, over Huntington Beach, out to Catalina Island, across Long Beach and San Pedro, over the South Bay and into downtown Los Angeles and eastward toward Big Bear and the San Gabriel Mountains.
On the left, they look down on ships being unloaded in Long Beach and Los Angeles harbors. Below them on the right are jetliners taking off from Long Beach Airport.
The park was created by Signal Hill officials as a way of camouflaging a new 1.2-million gallon drinking water reservoir on the hilltop. Covering 3.2 acres, the park cost $414,000 and was paid for by local development fees.
Using a design by Long Beach landscape architect Jon Cicchetti and artists T.W. Weir and Craig Stone, workers spread a thin layer of soil over the top of the huge tank, and then built walkways and decorative ledges and installed landscaping. They capped it with a whimsical sculpture depicting a signal-fire pyre that actually spurts a smoke-like water mist every half-hour.
If water is at the center of Hilltop Park, oil remains at its edges.
A 74-year-old petroleum well next to the park's main entrance silently pumps 29 barrels of oil a day from a pipe sunk 2,800 feet into the ground. It's one of 450 oil wells operated by Signal Hill Petroleum Co., said Ron Bates, a production engineer for the firm.
A dozen other wells are visible from the park observation walkways. Down the hill is the "discovery well," the shaft that started it all. Drilled by Shell Oil Co. in 1921, it produced a first-day gusher that attracted 15,000 cheering spectators. Today Bates' company runs it.
There were 160 oil derricks on Signal Hill by 1922. For a time, there were so many of the spindly wooden towers crowding the ridge that locals renamed it "Porcupine Hill." From a peak of about 3,000 wells, about 600 remain in use in the 2.2-square-mile city.
Hilltop Park's interpretive sculpture serves as physical "picture frames" that identify distant views for visitors. Short historical notes explain Signal Hill's timeline.
Visitors on Wednesday strained to see downtown Long Beach through midday haze, however. A layer of smog obliterated the Palos Verdes Peninsula. A glimpse of Los Angeles' downtown high-rises was out of the question.
"Actually, we don't have a whole lot of clear days," said Dorothy Friday, a Gardena resident who works for Signal Hill's Black Gold Pump and Supply Co. She and a friend, Donna Kellner, were picnicking on a summer fruit salad that Kellner had brought from Garden Grove.
"I brought my mother up here one Sunday after church. We could only stay 20 minutes, the wind was so cold. Actually, we don't want the secret out about this place. It'll be too crowded at lunch," she said. Nearby, Carlos Pimentel of Carson was eating a roast beef sandwich and talking on his cell phone. Because of the hill's height--or perhaps because of the cellular antennas lining a nearby hilltop tower--reception was perfect.
"I come up here three or four times a week. I've told all my co-workers about this place. The scenery is nice and you get some of the stress out up here," said Pimentel, an executive with a wheel accessory company.
Park visitor Landon Richardson, a 19-year-old cashier from Long Beach, said Hilltop Park has developed a reputation as a nighttime date destination. That's because of the sparkling lights below, and the fact that it's open until 11 p.m.
For others, it's turned into an eye-opener.
"I never realized Signal Hill was this pretty," said Michelle Gray, a 14-year-old Lakewood resident who trotted through Hilltop Park Wednesday with fellow Wilson High School cross-country runners Bina Gold, Tracey Morgan and Ashley Hobelman. The team regularly jogs up the hill during practice runs, stopping at the park's reservoir-fed drinking fountain.
"Until I came to this park, my impression had been it was a trashy, industrial place."
All of which proves that oil and water can mix. So can old oilfields and people.
Harleeman1030@aol.com
NRA MEMBER
How about the oil and gas industry(sp)
I for one have never dumped anything into the gulf of mexico on purpose...But if you live in FLORIDA,ALASKA,CALI,
Why should we not drill there and keep depending on overseas oil....
Gas (natural gas) only comes form America we pipeline that into the beach...I have been on platforms that produce 445 MILLION CUBIC FEET A DAY GAS AND 120,000 BARRELS OF OIL A DAY....
I know this country has the oil and gas we just need to get it...This is a story on my company web page:
Los Angeles, Bob Pool, 9/05/02) One of Los Angeles' oldest oilfields has turned into something slick.
That's the consensus of visitors to Hilltop Park in Signal Hill, where old derricks and petroleum tanks have been replaced by a garden and innovative sculpture that frame one of Southern California's most sweeping vistas.
The 3-year-old park is perched on the western edge of 365-foot-high Signal Hill--named for the smoke signals that Puvuvitam Indians used in the 1500s to communicate with tribal members living on Catalina Island.
These days, the unusual park is more of a signal that land-use experts have finally come to make peace with old oilfields--not the controversy, for example, that Los Angeles school officials became immersed in over the site of the Belmont Learning Center in downtown Los Angeles.
"Because of oil production, the top of the hill was not subdivided and open space was preserved, ultimately allowing for the creation of Hilltop Park," proclaims a marker at the park.
On clear days, park visitors can gaze southeast, over Huntington Beach, out to Catalina Island, across Long Beach and San Pedro, over the South Bay and into downtown Los Angeles and eastward toward Big Bear and the San Gabriel Mountains.
On the left, they look down on ships being unloaded in Long Beach and Los Angeles harbors. Below them on the right are jetliners taking off from Long Beach Airport.
The park was created by Signal Hill officials as a way of camouflaging a new 1.2-million gallon drinking water reservoir on the hilltop. Covering 3.2 acres, the park cost $414,000 and was paid for by local development fees.
Using a design by Long Beach landscape architect Jon Cicchetti and artists T.W. Weir and Craig Stone, workers spread a thin layer of soil over the top of the huge tank, and then built walkways and decorative ledges and installed landscaping. They capped it with a whimsical sculpture depicting a signal-fire pyre that actually spurts a smoke-like water mist every half-hour.
If water is at the center of Hilltop Park, oil remains at its edges.
A 74-year-old petroleum well next to the park's main entrance silently pumps 29 barrels of oil a day from a pipe sunk 2,800 feet into the ground. It's one of 450 oil wells operated by Signal Hill Petroleum Co., said Ron Bates, a production engineer for the firm.
A dozen other wells are visible from the park observation walkways. Down the hill is the "discovery well," the shaft that started it all. Drilled by Shell Oil Co. in 1921, it produced a first-day gusher that attracted 15,000 cheering spectators. Today Bates' company runs it.
There were 160 oil derricks on Signal Hill by 1922. For a time, there were so many of the spindly wooden towers crowding the ridge that locals renamed it "Porcupine Hill." From a peak of about 3,000 wells, about 600 remain in use in the 2.2-square-mile city.
Hilltop Park's interpretive sculpture serves as physical "picture frames" that identify distant views for visitors. Short historical notes explain Signal Hill's timeline.
Visitors on Wednesday strained to see downtown Long Beach through midday haze, however. A layer of smog obliterated the Palos Verdes Peninsula. A glimpse of Los Angeles' downtown high-rises was out of the question.
"Actually, we don't have a whole lot of clear days," said Dorothy Friday, a Gardena resident who works for Signal Hill's Black Gold Pump and Supply Co. She and a friend, Donna Kellner, were picnicking on a summer fruit salad that Kellner had brought from Garden Grove.
"I brought my mother up here one Sunday after church. We could only stay 20 minutes, the wind was so cold. Actually, we don't want the secret out about this place. It'll be too crowded at lunch," she said. Nearby, Carlos Pimentel of Carson was eating a roast beef sandwich and talking on his cell phone. Because of the hill's height--or perhaps because of the cellular antennas lining a nearby hilltop tower--reception was perfect.
"I come up here three or four times a week. I've told all my co-workers about this place. The scenery is nice and you get some of the stress out up here," said Pimentel, an executive with a wheel accessory company.
Park visitor Landon Richardson, a 19-year-old cashier from Long Beach, said Hilltop Park has developed a reputation as a nighttime date destination. That's because of the sparkling lights below, and the fact that it's open until 11 p.m.
For others, it's turned into an eye-opener.
"I never realized Signal Hill was this pretty," said Michelle Gray, a 14-year-old Lakewood resident who trotted through Hilltop Park Wednesday with fellow Wilson High School cross-country runners Bina Gold, Tracey Morgan and Ashley Hobelman. The team regularly jogs up the hill during practice runs, stopping at the park's reservoir-fed drinking fountain.
"Until I came to this park, my impression had been it was a trashy, industrial place."
All of which proves that oil and water can mix. So can old oilfields and people.
Harleeman1030@aol.com
NRA MEMBER
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Like bio-diesel.It's made from left-over restraunt fryer grease.What happened to gasahol?
Oh yeah! I forgot.The big oil corporations(that actually run our "government"), haven't figured out how to monopolize and manipulate these resources yet.Sorry....my bad.
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The problem i have with most tree huggers they scream and holler do this do that but the whole time they are burning up some gas and oil
Heat your house with elec.-- gas ???
Do you know that Shell..BP..And a lot of the other oil compaines are owned by overseas people..Shell is Dutch..BP is english..Nothing to do with america....
Yes lets use other fuels how much cooking oil can i use ???
How long does it last will it supply the whole country???
How about we all ride bikes and stop trucking the cooking oil into the places.
You will never find nor have anything that will do what oil and gas can do..
It might do something for a little bit but not for long..
Harleeman1030@aol.com
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Edited by - harleeman1030 on 09/10/2002 00:58:08
You also point out that several of these oil companies are owned by overseas interests.Apparently you enjoy sending your money abroad, and
supporting corporations,that are perfectly happy spending that money in the middle east, and financing terrorism.
In answering the other questions you raise, I have no answers.I just
know that our dependence on oil has painted us into a dangerous corner.I don't believe any natural resource on this planet is infinite.At some point we are going to have to turn to alternatives.
So, why wait?
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