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National march for Gun rights.......

Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 2002 in General Discussion
A march organized by the people for the people an army of 2 million strong ARMED TO the TEETH men women and children going to the capitol to the tune GIVE ME LIVERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH !

And see who is goin to arrest them ........all ????????


JD

400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )

Comments

  • TazmuttTazmutt Member Posts: 862 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Name a date ... Count me in and I'll bring at least 250 other with me !
  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    You gotta' be kidding. Not in your wildest dream is that gonna' happen!!!

    Mudge the realist

    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mudge :


    I will tell you in a simple way ........

    In your reality we will still be kissing the king of england *.

    Your comment was so perfectly tunned to the "control agenda" that
    nearly it was taken as an "order" by the TV, Radio, media stupified
    and programed forum members as to do Nothing because the reality is
    to do nothing ,the NRA does nothing ,the Patriots will be as in the past ,Contrabandist,criminals from england ,persecuted by the system
    renegades....maybe the guy mugging you in the street to get some money for feeding his kids as the economic collapse goes on worst...
    May be the one to DIE for your LAME rights in a revolution.....

    Mudge you need no guns ,only a leash to give as a present to your master when he steps in power.....

    A well planed "March" can be done as the ARMY recluits its members
    all can be properly identified organized in groups to prevent any psychos from ruining the day ....

    Is an IDEA of a MARCH not a bloody gov takeover ....but darn! the idea tempts anybody..... US ARMED MILITIA IS OVER 20M strong army
    even with a 90% casualty loss we can win !!!!!


    JD


    JD



    400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey JD,
    If any of your march buddies cause me to have to go to DC and monitor this situation, I'm gonna be ticked. On the other hand, this could be a great start to a different kind of gun show. Tell them all to bring a gun they want to sell. I dont know how they are going to break the law without going to jail though, last I heard it was still illegal to have guns in DC.

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Why? instead of monitoring the situation you "control it" ,be active participation in organizing it as a security planner for the NRA ?
    Many may be needed is this idea takes seed into something positive
    as to prevent democracy "savoteurs" from doing its "jOB" ..

    Well I tossed the "grenade" in the room ...... now what ????



    JD

    400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
  • The firearms consultantThe firearms consultant Member Posts: 716 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You don't have to go to DC, Sacramento Kalifornia would be a better choice.

    I might not always tell you the truth, but I will never lie to you!
  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    California is where we need to be.(Does a well Man need a Physian)
    We need to hit the areas that need it most,and as far as Im concerned after D.C. go to California.



    Best!!

    Rugster
  • Gordian BladeGordian Blade Member Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm trying to imagine what the government response would be to a large group of armed individuals marching on Washington with a grievance. I'm not coming up with a pretty picture.

    For those interested in history, the story of the "Bonus Army" might be instructive:
    http://www.islandnet.com/~citizenx/bonus.html
  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Protestors used to get nonviolence training because every time they staged a protest that they knew to be illegal, they knew they would all be arrested. This is why they started chaining themselves to things -- to slow down the process of arrest.

    People aren't doing anything illegal when they congregate at the Jefferson Memorial. But if you encourage a crowd of armed people to do so, given that carrying arms openly within the city limits is bound to be illegal, you can count on every armed person being arrested. What you don't know is whether one of your armed zealots can hold to his nonviolent protest pledge if the police show up to start the arrest process. All it takes is one overzealous dude with a .22 who wants to start something.

    I personally do not believe we have a condition in this country which justifies or requires that high risk of civil shooting incident. The whole idea is a good one if the people who show up are in favor of gun rights, but it goes bad when you suggest they bring their guns with them. What for? Just because it breaks the law? Do a million gun rights supporters in Washington make any less a statement if they show up having sensibly left their guns at home or in the car? Can you really count on each and every one of that many people you don't know being level-headed, non-crackpot types? I can't guarantee that any more than any other organizer of such a march could guarantee that.

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    OK...OK...Gordian Blade and Offeror said what I was thinking. I just tried to keep it brief for the benefit of Mr. Dread who, obviously, doesn't proof read the stuff HE posts so how could I expect him to thoroughly read ANYTHING someone else posted.

    Mudge the succinct

    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
  • armed_ femalearmed_ female Member Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    okay ya'll, there is a Million Gun March planned for July 4th, next year...check Rick Stanley's site...info should be there..don't have link to it right off hand, but can locate it pretty quick if anyone really wants to check it out

    Gun Control is Hitting Your Target!
  • armed_ femalearmed_ female Member Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    okay guys go here http://www.kathrynagraham.com/TXAFA.htm
    scroll down and click on million gun march


    Gun Control is Hitting Your Target!
  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    JD,
    I dont think I'd have the luxury of working the event as a participant or organizer for anyone. Its more likely that I'd be the person Gordian Blade is speaking of. Read my signature again. If, and its not likely, but if, a million gun owners made it clear they had the numbers and were going to march on the Capital for any reason, I can guarantee you I'd be in a convoy of military vehicles headed up that way to block off all roads leading into the area of demonstration. Do you think this country is being lead by a bunch of complete idiots? Those gun owners wont make it anywhere near DC. Traffic might come to a halt, but I can guarantee you there would be no way that anyone is going to let this demonstration happen with a weapon being carried openly in our capital, PERIOD!!! I personally would not have a problem with following an order to stop it either, because as offeror stated, some idiot, just one, is all it takes, then the media will have everything it ever wanted to throw at us. Shoot, I'd be completely baffled if some anti-gun organization, or possibly a single terrorist foreign or domestic, didnt use the opportunity to have one of their own people fire the first shot just to make all the gun owners look like idiots, I would, its smart tactics from their point of view. So as I said, I wouldnt, and dont want anyone participating in this event. Hell yes I'd help prevent it. Popular stance by a gun owner? Probably not. But you know what, I'm not here to make people happy, I'm here to make my opinon clear, as I'm always sure I'm right, or quick to admit I'm wrong anyway.

    There isnt a darn thing worth hunting in DC anyway, so what do you need the gun for? Thats what guns are for, unless you just like the looks of them in your house like me, or to shoot targets, like me, or just to help you feel more secure, like me. Hmmm. Dont see the need for it in the protest, doesnt do any of the above, sure isnt going to be loaded. What do you need to carry a gun in your immediate possession anyway? Maybe something like a license? To hunt, right? Cant hunt in DC bud. Need to be headed to a recognized range? Dont think they have a range in DC, not for the public. This whole idea is stupid, there, I said it! STUPID, STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!!! FORGET THE WHOLE DARN IDEA, ITS STUPID!!!! What idiot thought this up anyway? If hes your personal friend, tell him hes an idiot!!! Give him my name, let him know I said it, I dont care, what a moron. Yes now I've probably offended those that say they are already planning on going as I know some have. Know what? Get over it, its not personal. However, anyone doing something as stupid as this, and me not telling them its stupid, and not to do it, is WORSE than letting a drunk driver have his keys. Why? BECAUSE ITS STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!! It will adversely affect all gun owners, do not do it.
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC

    Edited by - robsguns on 08/15/2002 23:13:21
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Thanks,ArmedFemale, for the link.
    A little known fact..another female,Linda Thompson,about 10 years ago...tried to organize just such a march on the den of thieves....

    God,Guts,& GunsHave we lost all 3 ??
  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    What robs said.

    There is nothing more useless and liable to get you hurt than an unloaded gun, so then you have to ask if you're going to insist that everybody who marches carry their guns unloaded. Think that will happen? There will be a percentage who will bring ammo no matter the rules.

    A million average gun owners carrying loaded is not even a gun instructor's idea of a smart plan. (Of course, there will be no million, nor anything near it, it's just an expression.)

    So what do you do? Insist everyone carry either slung or holstered? Better, but some people don't have slings. Will everyone carry with finger out of the trigger guard? Does everyone's loaded weapon have a drop-proof safety system?

    I can't begin to list all the things that are liable to go wrong about this concept, all of which would have to be carefully overcome for this to have any chance of working.

    Then we have the possibility of a rousing series of speakers, followed by some Saddam-like celebratory shots into the air from the crowd, which is bound to encourage everyone to feel the need to get their own shots off, as if they were lighting their lighters at a rock concert. And the news media will find where every one of those rounds comes down, every bullet hole. Good grief. I could go on, but I kinda like mudge the succinct on this theme.



    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
  • armed_ femalearmed_ female Member Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    GET A GRIP!! I never said I was going..I was just letting you know that someone had already thought of the idea and Rick Stanley is running for office in Colorado and it's his idea, not mine. Personally, I do not know the man, since I live in Texas. I was just passing on information, but excuse the he** out of me! Guess maybe I dont want to be on here anymore. Guess new people are not really welcome here..have a nice life and by the way..for a Marine you are rude. My dad served in WWII on Saipan, Tinian and Iwo Jima to save your right to say what you want, but he would NEVER be rude!

    Gun Control is Hitting Your Target!
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Rob. that is the problem when someone JUSTIFIES not doing something
    because they are not responsible as to be able to "perform".

    That is the reason guns rights will be taken away.....

    The GOVERMENT thinks only a few selected can have the privilege of
    having a gun......

    In the future "now" you cannot even speak freely because you are gaged as you do so......

    Even in this forums are people trained by the goverment in psycology
    to manipulate group tendency ( I will do a post on manipulation soon)
    and is evident I use it too to get a point goin on...

    But speaking of POINT! I will let no one rule my life because some idiot is not capable of running his.

    If you ever have to go against the US constitution as a military
    you have only one choice (RENOUNCE AND QUIT ) for the future will bring.. Who gets married ?..licence to have sex... permits to pee
    and do pooo poooo where the Goverment will tell you so (Biological weapon control ) what it will take?.....A single man taking a CURB on the presidential desk at an open house ?.

    ATFB Alcohol, Tobbaco, Firearms,and BUTTs

    JD





    400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    armed female,
    Rude? Well now, lets talk about rude. In my post I clearly addressed JD at the top of the post, and no where in my post ever deviated into addressing anyone else, but now you are 1) calling me rude, and 2)Making an unfair judgement of this forum based on my single post.

    If what has you confused is my statement to the effect of 'What idiot thought this up anyway? If hes your personal friend, tell him hes an idiot!!! Give him my name, let him know I said it, I dont care, what a moron. Yes now I've probably offended those that say they are already planning on going as I know some have.', you are mistakenly offended. As this is in reference to other members that have made it clear their intention to attend this affair in previous posts, quite some time ago.

    No, I'm not rude, but if I was, it would just be a perception, translated, your opinion. Nothing wrong with that.

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    armed female --

    We really were not addressing you. In fact, we were already aware that someone was attempting to organize this, and when Judge started the thread we knew what he was referring to. If you scroll back you'll find previous references to this march idea. You borrowed trouble from someone else when you took this personally. We're addressing the whole idea, and not your link info.

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
  • thesoundguy1thesoundguy1 Member Posts: 680
    edited November -1
    Yes marching armed is only asking for trouble.But marching with a purpose,can get things done.It works for the anti-gunners.If all we do is sit around and blubber about our decaying rights on this forum,
    KISS YOUR RIGHTS GOOD-BYE!A large crowd on the Washington Mall is a very powerful statement.I've made plans to go(UNARMED), and I'm bringing friends,and family, and anyone else I can cram into my tired old van!
    I've seen the polls that support the second amendment,vote.com,and all that.But I've got the distinct impression that Washington is not listening.Just like the civil rights movement.The noise had to be taken to the "man".
    Now, our 2nd amendment rights are at stake.They have not listened to polls,they are ignoring the popular support for the 2nd amendment.
    It's time to take the "noise" to their front lawn.UNARMED!

    www.waveformwear.com
    The new wave in free expression.
  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sgt. Roberts....Semper Fi...You are right on with your post. I've lived in the DC area for about 60 of my 67 years. Armed protesters wouldn't get within 5 miles of DC. When Mr. Stanley first put his "march" idea forward I told him that I thought it was good, but poorly planned. I pointed out the fact that on July 4th, there would ALREADY be a million people on the mall to watch the fireworks. There just ain't room for another million. And ARMED....NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. Any other time, I'll be there....UNARMED.

    Dear Ms. Female....(I don't know you well enough to call you by your first name.) I've read Sgt. Roberts post a couple of times and cannot, for the life of me, find the part that you feel was directed at you.
    Sometimes, in the heat of posting, our syntax gets a bit out of whack and might be misconstrued as an "ad hominem" attack but as long as Sgt. Roberts has been posting here, I've only seen him get personal a few times.(Never unjustified, however.) As far as I can determine, this wasn't one of 'em.
    IMHO.
    Please stick around...we need more of the distaff points of view around here.

    Mudge the peacemaker

    Dongizmo.....Yeah, I was there. You're right. Nothing more than a bunch of folks "poking holes in the air". All form...no substance.

    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
  • armed_ femalearmed_ female Member Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ok..obviously as I scrolled down I did not notice that the post was directed to JD. Sorry..I was tired and half asleep..I think the idea for a march is good, but timing is not and armed is even worse. I, for one would not go armed, why, because jack booted thugs would love nothing better than to make examples of all that are armed. And the gun control nuts would have a hayday with all that madness! Personally, no offence to anyone that lives in DC, I have no desire to go except to see the IWO JIMA statue. My daughter went in 8th grade and she said it was AWESOME! She even broght back pictures for her Grandad.
    Semper Fi

    Gun Control is Hitting Your Target!
  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Everyone is happy now. Good to go.

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Good I am happy you are happy and i dont take anything personal and it was former NRA president idea once to do the march.....

    Maybe it was the aluminum in the brain ,I dont know ...maybe is an asset and not a handicap....

    It makes you see hope were there is not any .....

    MMMM maybe he was on to something but he missed the chance now is evident "why?".

    HEHEHE !


    JD

    400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    JD,
    WHAT????? I'm not ragging on you JD, I just dont understand what the heck you just said. Like I tell my daughter, slow down and make a complete sentence, so I can understand your meaning. Reading your posts lately has been like trying to fill in a crossword puzzle, lots of blanks and not enough clues as to what words belong in the spaces.

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    AWWWW! Duuuuuuwwww ! I think we are talking about a Gun rights march
    maybe with the posibility of carring loaded weapons as to show A RESPONSIBLE AND ORGANIZED CITIZEN CONTINGENT CAN EXIST IN THIS NATION
    without the goverment having to babyseat them with false control laws.

    Now there are no blanks ...

    Exept here.....

    Sorly ifr I mispelag somathing .....

    JD

    400 million cows can't be wrong ( EAT GRASS !!! )
  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    JD,
    I give up. You get upset when someone tells you they cant understand you, and give some smart reply every time someone tells you that. Your spelling is not the issue. Some of your posts are good ones, but the sentence structure, and I'm not picky, is so poor it makes the post nearly impossible to read, and your true meaning probably gets lost in the translation. If you want maximum readership of your posts, make them understandable, thats all I'm asking for me to be able to read them.

    By the way, I'd email you this instead of putting it here for all to read, but your email address that the forum has is incorrect, I get returned email from you every time I try emailing you.

    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC

    Edited by - robsguns on 08/16/2002 11:29:16
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    Even with a purposely peaceful and unarmed march on DC, I can see LOTS of bad things happening.

    If someone is planning such a march, they'll need to make sure there are LOTS of lawyers, ACLU observers, and people with hidden video cameras around.

    I can only imagine the kind of police reprisals that could (and probably would) take place with that many gun owners in town. Being that all of Washington DCs residents would probably take to their basements in fear of the vicious boogeymen.
  • armed_ femalearmed_ female Member Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    armed insurrection sounds like a great idea to me! Just kidding..but I can sure see it coming down the line somewhere...it's kind of scary

    Gun Control is Hitting Your Target!
  • thesoundguy1thesoundguy1 Member Posts: 680
    edited November -1
    Armed insurrection comes later, when peaceful, unarmed demonstrations don't change anything!

    www.waveformwear.com
    The new wave in free expression.
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