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GUN DEBATE CONTINUES TODAY (THURS)
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I just turned on C-SPAN-2 and the debate continues. Frist just finished talking and pointed out that 33 states have already passed some form of gun industry relief from these lawsuits. (My own state Senate passed a bill yesterday which should soon be signed by the governor).
I doubt that I will try to post as much on here today unless it gets interesting again. Yesterday proved the Dems are willing just to fill time. Daschle and Boxer are both expected to introduce their amendments today... Boxer's should be interesting--NOT!
Boxer is pitching another bill which "guarantees the quality of safety locks." Her bill allows for a "federal cause of action" in case a state "doesn't get its act together" on a suit. She calls it "double protection for the kids." I call it "REDUNDANT!" Oh God, HERE COME THE BIG BLUE CARDS AGAIN -- ! Did the Democrats really think the American people and the Senate needed a LECTURE???
Sigh...
T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
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I doubt that I will try to post as much on here today unless it gets interesting again. Yesterday proved the Dems are willing just to fill time. Daschle and Boxer are both expected to introduce their amendments today... Boxer's should be interesting--NOT!
Boxer is pitching another bill which "guarantees the quality of safety locks." Her bill allows for a "federal cause of action" in case a state "doesn't get its act together" on a suit. She calls it "double protection for the kids." I call it "REDUNDANT!" Oh God, HERE COME THE BIG BLUE CARDS AGAIN -- ! Did the Democrats really think the American people and the Senate needed a LECTURE???
Sigh...
T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
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Now Daschle is up to give an amendment, and slipping in the remark that he "partnered with Craig in part because we agree about the need to consider these amendments" or words to that effect. We do??? He did??? What?? Where do these people GET these notions..... Oh, yes, Daschle now stressing that his amendment "took a lot of time!" Well, Tom, a lot of work wasted then, eh? He still hasn't mentioned just WHAT his amendment IS, and now he's changing the subject. Indian tribes? What the ....?
T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
Boxer is now reminding us that we regulate Play-Doh
We do!!??? Well shoot! Now is the perfect opportunity to end federal play-doh regulation. That is absurd and it is time for that regulation to end. I say they should place an attachment on the gun bill that prohibits play doh regulation.
"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
-Jimmy the cheese man
If someone called me that, I think I would have to kick the crap out of them![}:)] OYE!!
May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.
- General George Patton Jr
T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
"There is nothing lower than the human race - except the French." (Mark Twain) ". . . And DemoCraps" (me)
The trouble with this child lock requirement is this: the Dems will then SURELY claim that if all your guns don't have them on constantly at home, then you are negligent. There is nothing more useless than a gun that doesn't go bang when the home invaders bust down the door. Not only that, it may be the nose of the camel in terms of this bill's amendments.
I'd agree it's just posturing, except if you now get gun locks "for the sake of the children," your life has just been changed by Boxer and her cohorts.
T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
I believe I am correct that the Uniform Crime Report tables
consider "a child", as anyone 18 years of age, and under. Also, it
doesn't differentiate between accident, crime, suicide, etc. I tried to pull up the UCR and it is in microsoft XL, and I cannot read it.
But, from looking at them in the past, I think I am right.
"Don't send flowers when I die. Send money now so I can buy more guns and ammo."
May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.
- General George Patton Jr
Pray this isn't the start of auto-yes'es on the other proposed amendments.
If the lock thing is passed and signed, does that mean we'll be committing a federal crime if a LEO happens to be at door for some other matter, say get our version of an accident we witnessed, and he/she sees evidence of gun ownership, then checks to see if they're all "safely" locked and hardly accessible?
I thinks this would apply if they want to come in a lok for gun locks
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Steel is for guns Tupperware is for leftovers
Next to be considered is a Concealed Carry amendment. Kennedy is mentioning a "cop killer bullet" amendment for later... what's up with that?
Orrin Hatch is now going to speak about the CCW thing -- this one gives qualified retired or former LEOs the right to carry concealed.
Senator Dodd of Connecticut just got up. He's saying he represents more gun companies than any other Senator.
My natural question at that moment was, well, then, what are they telling you?
But he brushed on by that point -- to complain loudly (he spit on his own jacket) that he is outraged that "we are adding amendments to such an outrageous bill which protects an entire industry from lawsuits."
Well, Dodd, if the Dems hadn't cranked up a cynical and craven effort to damage the entire industry by means of a concentration of lawsuits, no bill would be necessary to stop it. See your own people about that. And while you're at it, ask yourself if you really "represent" your gun companies back home at all. They need to be about the business of boosting this guy out of office in CT.
T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.
- General George Patton Jr
May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.
- General George Patton Jr
"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
-Jimmy the cheese man
"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
-Jimmy the cheese man
May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.
- General George Patton Jr
May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.
- General George Patton Jr
Go Army Beat Navy
IF you wanna have fun join the cavalry
I just fired off e-mail and phone calls notifying my Senators, and Craig, that Kennedy's amendment contains a mistake -- the word "caliber" instead of "cartridge." I contend to them that it cannot pass with that error in it. I let them know it has no business passing anyway, is D.O.A. in fact for trying to ban rifle cartridges as being "armor piercing," but I want them to know Kennedy wrote a mistake into his dumb bill too. People like him know nothing about firearms -- it's all hearsay and liberal magazine articles -- and have no business trying to legislate about them, for reasons precisely like this. They botch it every time.
T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
Go Army Beat Navy
IF you wanna have fun join the cavalry
1. 223
2.30-30
3.30-06
4.308
5.270
6.257 roberts
7.50 cal
8.S&W new 500 mag pistol
9.ANY bullet able to penatrate level ONE soft body armor.
It would be easier to list the bullets that can't penatrate level one body soft armor and I,m not totaly sure these won't penatrate 25 apc,380,9mm,38spl,40S$W,357,and 44 mag
Keep in mind they are talking level one with No truma plate!
Also anything that can penatrate a lightly armored limo are cause a chopper to crash. I heard a story of a chopper being downed by a bird.You think they will ban those too?
IT "S better to die by fire then serve by force
It's not gun control. It's personal defense elimination. They only want to control ours.
T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
"Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet."
What would Kennedy's bill do about the .45 caliber slug in a BRI sabot shotgun shell? Ban it, or no?
What would his bill do about the CZ-52 ammo, especially the sabot handgun round by Quality Cartridge called the ".223 Timbs." It's .223, after all. Would it become illegal because it's called .223 caliber instead of .22 caliber?
T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
Go Army Beat Navy
IF you wanna have fun join the cavalry
"It is hard to soar with Eagles when your surrounded by Turkeys"
"I dont care how thin you make a pancake, it still has two sides"
"A wise man is a man that realizes just how little he knows.
T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
IT "S better to die by fire then serve by force
It's not gun control. It's personal defense elimination. They only want to control ours.
Gun violence being the 2nd leading cause of death in children? WHERE THE HELL DOES HE GET HIS INFORMATION?!?!
May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.
- General George Patton Jr
Al Gore made such a statement in 2000 during the election. His exact comment was that "12 children are killed everyday by firearms in America." This is simply not true. Got to the Centers for Disease Conrol website (run by the gov't by the way) www.cdc.gov/nchs/datawh/statab/unpubd/mortabs/gmwki.htm and seach under ICD 922.0. You will see that the actual number of American children under the age of 15 that are killed by handgun accidents each year is only around 20. For the whole year. Now, every one of those 20 deaths is tragic, but consider this . . more children die in because of government mandated airbags and by drowning in mop buckets EACH year than by accidental handgun deaths.
So, where do they get this number? Well, they add up all deaths of people under the age of 20 that involve a firearm in any way. This figure includes drug dealers shooting each other, and criminals shot dead by cops or fellow citizens while committing a rape, robbery, murder, or some other felony.
It's all lies ladies and gentleman, all lies. Never, ever to they stop to think about the lives that were saved because a savage rapist was shot by an intended victim BEFORE he had a chance to do his crime. No, now that rapist is included in the "12 children killed each day" by guns.[:(!]
T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
"Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet."