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A double question on football?

E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
edited August 2002 in General Discussion
Me and a friend were talking about this earlier at work.Who do you think was the best team ever put together? and Who was the best Quarterback receiver combo of all time?I say the best team was the 1985 Chicago Bears and he said he liked any year that Vince Lombardi had the packers but we agreed on the receiver quaterback combo which we both think is Joe Montana/Jerry Rice.We started on the best running back but that got a little heated so he changed the topic.What are your opinions any agreement with ours or something different all together?And not to say he was better than Walter Payton because records spek for themselves but my favorite running back was Bo Jackson.And I dont care who you are the greatest Line Backer was Mike Singletary.

Eric S. Williams
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    I like Terry Bradshaw's Steelers.

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  • royc38royc38 Member Posts: 2,235 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The 70's Pittsburgh Steelers. 4 superbowls in 6 years. Almost the whole team is in the hall of fame. And for your QB/Wr If you saw Terry Bradshaw and Lynn Swann and John Stallworth you have seen greatness.
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  • Harleeman1030Harleeman1030 Member Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I got to meet Earl Cambell in person when my Father worked for a oil company in houston..Might be just me but if Bum had not worn him out ?????

    i can still remember him hitting that cow and knocked it down and he was standing lol...

    i don't watch football much anymore...


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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    There was only one undefeated team ever..MIAMI

    Joe Montana would have to get my vote at best
    quarterback ever.

    Dan Marino to Mark Clayton and Mark Duper was
    a great threat.
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  • mybadodgemybadodge Member Posts: 118 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well, I am a HUGE raider fan so I like your Bo Jackson pick, however, my opinion would be he COULD have been the best ever...but sweetness and barry sanders are the best I've ever seen.

    QB/WR...well, I'd say Montana/Young/Rice....but that's just cause Tim Brown never had a solid QB for more than a couple years at a time..:)

    Best linebacker...tons to choose from, but in my era, Singletary is head and shoulders above the rest.


    If you had to pick 5 players you'd want to build a team from who would you choose (past or present)??

    Bob


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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My 5 foundation players would be QB:Joe Montana...WR:Jerry Rice...RB:Bo Jackson...LB:Mike Singletary....SS:Ronnie Lott that would be good to build around.

    Eric S. Williams
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  • William81William81 Member Posts: 25,474 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Dick Butkus was my hero when I was a kid.....He was a tough dude and played on some really bad Bear Teams.

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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Another Quaterback I always liked was Randall Cunningham he was the first of the real scrambling QB's I think even better than Warren Moon.

    Eric S. Williams

    Edited by - E.Williams on 08/15/2002 02:34:55
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  • Darin SperlingDarin Sperling Member Posts: 291 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    scrambling QB - Fran Tarkenton
    QB/WR combo - Montana/Rice (I am Steeler's fan...Bradshaw/Swan/Stallworth were close)
    RB - Barry Sanders/Walter Payton tie
    Team - Steeler's of the 70's

    Sperling PE
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  • bhayes420bhayes420 Member Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    85 Bears are *my* hands down best team ever. McMahon wasn't much of a passer but was a HELL of a leader. Sweetness was awesome. Singletary and Hamption and "THE FRIDGE" on defense. Willie Gault at receiver. Ditka at coach. Too bad it didn't "click" for them more than one year, but with their dismal history, hey, one year was awesome!

    All time favorite QB, and one I would take to win any game though, would be Joe Montana to Jerry Rice.

    Running back would be Bo Jackson. What a talent! Sad that his potential was never really realized because of injury. Got to see him play minor league baseball with the Memphis Chicks after he told the Buccaneers to p*** off. Good guy too!
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  • Warpig883Warpig883 Member Posts: 6,459
    edited November -1
    I always liked Ken Stabler



    For defensive the alltime bad * for me was Lyle Alzado

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  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    Without a doubt, the best professional football team "ever" assembled was and is the Pittsburgh Steelers of the 70's. The Steel Curtain was devastating, Mean Joe Green, Jack Ham, Jack Lambert, Mel Blount, LC Greenwood ect. ect. Offense Bradshaw, Swan, Stallworth, Harris, Blair, ect, ect. But what made them really stand out above the other teams that have succeded is the quality of the teams they played. Stauback and the Cowboys, The Snake and the Raiders, Tarkenton and the Vikings, Greese and the Dolphins, Bum Phillips Houston Oilers and Brian Sipes Cleveland Browns ect. ect....

    When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
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  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    quote:Another Quaterback I always liked was Randall Cunningham he was the first of the real scrambling QB's I think even better than Warren Moon.

    The first real scrambling Quaterback? BS, No Way, get out here with that garbage,lol. Those guys back in the early days up through the 70's were the real deal, no pansy assed rules for roughing the quarterback. They were all scramblers running for their lives. I saw Terry Bradshaw get pile drived and recieve a concussion, he sat out a couple of plays then he was right back in and through a touchdown bomb, was he a scrambler? Only by necessity. They won the game too by the way. There were probably many before him but due to my age I only remember the ones I grew up with. Fran Tarkenton was the best scrambler I ever saw. His offensive line would break down and hed run back and forth never crossing the line of scrimmage until he could find a reciever or all hope of finding one was lost before throwing it away.

    When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    I remember that Steelers game. Bradshaw loses his helmet and gets slammed headfirst onto the frozen field. They carry him off. Sports announcers are speculating about how many games he'll miss. A couple of plays later, here comes Bradshaw, pulling on his helmet over a bandage about a foot square. He was one tough SOB.

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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Randall Cunnigham was a running back who just happened to be able to throw a ball.If there was a hole he would find it and exploit it and if there wasnt one he would scatter and wait for one.I shouldnt have said the first but I think he was the best.You bring up another good question with Bradshaw taking the concussion.Who do you think has taken the hardest hit you have ever seen?I will have to think awhile and post later today.

    Eric S. Williams
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  • Spring CreekSpring Creek Member Posts: 1,260 ✭
    edited November -1
    Have to agree on Montana/Rice.
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Joe Thiesman's leg-breaker was a little grim.

    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The hardest hit thats coming to mind right now was where Lawrence Taylor got through the line on a straight rush and hit Boomer Esiason so hard it made blood come out of his nose and he hit him mid chest not high.Another was Bruce Smith shutting down a running back but I dont remember who he was but neither finished the game.That was one of the only games I can remember Boomer sitting out after a hit but it was a HIT.Ill probably think of another one later,my question is too hard to pick just one hardest hit because there have been so many.Who was the guy who got hit so hard on the field it broke his back?I cant remember anything more about it just there was one?

    Eric S. Williams
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  • quamnetquamnet Member Posts: 332 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would think for best team you would have to go with the 72 Dolphins because they are the only ones to go undeafeated. As for my personal opinions I think the 49ers of the 80's were about as good as they come. The best wide receiver/quarterback combo would be hands down Joe Montana and Jerry Rice. Running back however is a little bit harder to decide. I think Jim Brown would probably be the guy if he played longer...but he didn't. My opinion because I love power runners would be Earl Cambell...

    Just my opinions though.
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  • XracerXracer Member Posts: 1,990 ✭
    edited November -1
    Team: The Packers during the Lombardi years.
    Quarterback: Johnny Unitas (back when "quarterback" was a verb as well as a noun).
    QB/Receiver Combo: Montana/Rice
    Receiver: Jerry Rice
    Running Back: Jim Brown
    Coach: Vince Lombardi
    Owner: George Halas
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  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yea, Yea, Yea.

    For as great as Jim Brown was, he never played in the game. Jim Kelly & Fran Tarkenton never won one ether. Bradshaw & Swan are good and Joe Montana & Rice can't be over looked, but I can't stand Montana, and I hated the Steelers. The only real team Randall Cunningham ever played for was Dallas. That's why he had to scramble so much.

    No one, not even Troy Aikman, Bret "BARF" Farve, or Bart Star can hold a candle to the likes of someone like Johnny Unitas. The guy was a regular Joe off the street who could beat you with a cast on his hand.

    Let's don't forget Dan Moreno, or Dan Foust. They set most of all the passing records that exist today, and they too never won the big one.

    Trinity+++

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  • mybadodgemybadodge Member Posts: 118 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    hardest hit I'be ever seen was Vikings raiders superbowl, sammy white made the mistake of going over the middle...The assassin (jack tatum) crushed him, broke his chin strap and sent his helmet flying..but I gotta give him credit, even though he had no clue where he was, he held onto the ball. I have the autographed photo of tatum standing over him after that play.

    Bob

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  • bhayes420bhayes420 Member Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Let me turn the "best hit" question around to another angle. How about the hit Bo Jackson put on that numbnuts linebacker? Ran RIGHT through the guy! Wasn't that Brian Bosworth? Jackson took off around the end and absolutely flattened the guy!
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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It probably was ole Bozworth I have seen him flatten more than a few.That man was like a train when he got moving.I saw him in Mobile,Al when I was a kid at UMS-Wright High practicing for the Senior Bowl and he was busting everyone out there.He was a nice guy too he gave me a autograph and a picture with him when practice was over.At that practice there was a OLB that must have weihed 350 pounds grab onto Bo and try to take him down and Bo just dragged him right along he didnt finally do down until 2 more defensive players got on him.And he could shake and change direction so fast sometimes you could barely see it happen.

    Eric S. Williams
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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'll tell you another guy who could drive like Bo but didnt have his speed was Christian Okoye Kansas City Chiefs.

    Eric S. Williams
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  • MFIMFI Member Posts: 7,899 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Quarterback: Roger Staubach
    Running Back: Walter Payton
    Receiver : Jerry Rice
    Linebacker: Dick Butkus
    Safety: Ronnie Lott
    Kicker: Nick Lowery


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  • mybadodgemybadodge Member Posts: 118 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    E. Williams,

    Yeah okoye was a monster but do you remember that CLASSIC hit steve atwater put on him?

    Bob

    "Ignorance spreads lies" - puddle of mudd

    Edited by - mybadodge on 08/15/2002 13:49:01
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  • shootinfoolshootinfool Member Posts: 219 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mybadodge, I believe that hit eventually ended Okoye's playing days!

    Five people to start a team?

    QB--Elway Backup--Farve
    RB--Gale Sears(sp) backup--Joe Delaney(he would have been great)
    WR--Lynn Swan backup--Rice
    LB--Dick Butkis Backup--Singletary
    DB--Steve Atwater backup-- Lott, I believe these two can hit better than any others.


    Coachs--Head, Shanahan & Shula; Assts.,Joe Collier, Alex Gibs.
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  • Patrick OdlePatrick Odle Member Posts: 951 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Completion ratio, none to compare to Billetnekoff and the older Q.B.
    forget his name at this time of the oakland raiders. the young guy hit a couple of long ones his first year, was nicknamed the mad bomber and spent the rest of his football career unsucessfuly trying to live up to it. Never in the history of football has there ever been a Q.B. rusher like Gino Marquette! I have seen him triple teamed and he would still over 60% of the time smear the Q.B.
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  • mybadodgemybadodge Member Posts: 118 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mad Bomber was Darryl Lamonica....I think the "old guy" you refer to was George Blanda...he did it all

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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mybaddodge I was trying to forget..lol that was a strong pop.Like they say in that movie "The Program" nothin but snot bubbles.That was just a full on collision of forces.I actually still have a set of football cards with different picture of great plays and hits and I have that one it has Atwaters back legs off the ground his helmet and forearms right on Okoyes numbers and the rest is history.It makes a good picture though.

    Eric S. Williams

    Edited by - E.Williams on 08/15/2002 17:14:56
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  • Patrick OdlePatrick Odle Member Posts: 951 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Once during an Oiler game someone mentioned to Bum Phillips, Say Bum is it just me or is Earl Campbell a little slow getting up? Never at a loss for words Bum replied yes and do you also notice he's also a little slow going down. In my opinion with the natural exception of Earl Bum did more with less than all the rest of the football coaches in football. the organization fired him because he wouldn't hire an offensive cordinator which he had proved beyond a shadow of doubt that he didn't need.
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  • shootinfoolshootinfool Member Posts: 219 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Did anybody see the hit that they showed on ESPN by Terrel Davis as a special teams member. It was his first play in a Broncos uniform. I am a giant Broncos fan, and it is sad to see a great runner have trouble with his legs. Degenerative bone disease? is that what Bo Had?
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  • jdb123jdb123 Member Posts: 471 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    no, bo jackson had his hip replaced because barney busey of the cinncinati bengals tackled him "funny" and broke bo's hip.



    Edited by - jdb123 on 08/15/2002 20:17:37

    Edited by - jdb123 on 08/15/2002 20:28:43
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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey Bo knows broken hips!!Get it?

    Eric S. Williams

    Edited by - E.Williams on 08/15/2002 21:00:45
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    Some of those names were intimidating!

    As a kid my team (Miami)had to play in
    the same division ,against quarterbacks named:

    JOHNNY UNITAS
    JOE NAMATH

    But at wide receiver we had a dude named :

    PAUL WARFIELD....and a back named MURCURY MORRIS
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  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I miss those Miller Lite beer commercials...."Tastes great!, Less filling! done by the NFL football greats....

    Where are the bad boys of the NFL? Ben Davidson, Conrad Dobler, Dick Butkus, Mean Joe Green......no sissy pop tops for these guys, they just tear the top of the can off and chug it down.....
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  • mybadodgemybadodge Member Posts: 118 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    rembrant, although he was only in a movie and not a commercial, can leave out John "the tooz" metuzak...ultimate partier of the nfl

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  • bwabwa Member Posts: 224 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It appears that most here prefer to watch power running backs. I like to see the bulldozers too, but my #1 choice for best running back of all time would without question be Barry Sanders -the Michael Jordan of the gridiron. Oh, what he could have accomplished with more help from his teammates. Most entertaining performer I've ever seen. I'd like to have a video of clips of his great runs pasted together.
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  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    Pittsburgh has Sanders cloan, his name is Amos Zeroue. If they would let him play he would bench the bus. He should get more play time this year though and he will make you a believer, if only they would get rid of Kordel and get a real quarterback. Go Famous!

    When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
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