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Trespass signs

96harley96harley Member Posts: 3,992 ✭✭
edited May 2002 in General Discussion
Had a conversation about a trespass sign on my property. It's one of those stating, "We don't call 911 around here." It has a nice looking revolver on it as well.

I live as the old saying goes at "Tenth and Plum" ten miles out, plum back in the woods. When you get within 1 mile of my house "Dueling Banjos" echos through the thick Indiana forest. Our county is well as gun loving and gun carrying.

A friend came out and ,knowing my conservative views and out spoken manner, told me I had better be careful about the sign posted next to the driveway. He said if I did double tap some criminal, a hungry lawyer might use my sign against me saying I was just waiting for someone to airate. The sign stands. What's your opinion of signs like this?


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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My opinion is, I'm with you. But it's not my opinion that counts in court. Your friend may have a point. You can defend yourself best by saying it was merely a "witty" and "humorous" way of saying "No trespassing," which of course is the truth. But you might also change the signs and make them just as funny by adding NO TRESPASSING to your signs in parentheses underneath the large print.

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  • 96harley96harley Member Posts: 3,992 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks Offeror,
    I do have such signs about the place. I'll make sure I get one to stand with this one.
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  • gunpaqgunpaq Member Posts: 4,607 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My insurance agent/attorney calls that type of a sign "a challenge sign". If an incident occurs on your property, even though you may not be at fault and legally protecting yourself or may not even be directly involved, you will see some type of civil action against you by the injured party or his/her survivors, etc. The sign may cause the offender to become curious, it may spark the challenge mechanism in his brain, or the sign may be vague in it's message and actually may be interpreted as an invitation ("We don't call 911 around here" equates to an unlocked door or an open window in a house which invites trouble)and your intent may be to lure unsuspecting individuals unto your property for target practice by posting that type of sign. You, me, the people on this board, and your neighbors know what you mean by posting that type of sign but the criminal who sues you afterwards will say different. "KEEP OFF, PRIVATE PROPERTY, NO TRESPASSING, Violators will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Signed: Joe Schmow, property owner", is the best type sign (or similar) according to my insurance guy.

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  • njretcopnjretcop Member Posts: 7,975
    edited November -1
    You guys put too much faith in lawyers and show way too much fear of them. It is my experience that most of them are scmucks.

    Since 9/11, along with "Old Glory", outside our home flies another recognized American flag: "Don't Tread On Me".

    If anyone feels that's a challenge to them, they would be damn right!!!

    -Charlie the patriot

    "It's the stuff dreams are made of Angel"NRA Certified Firearms InstructorMember: GOA, RKBA, NJSPBA, NJ area rep for the 2ndAMPD. njretcop@copmail.com
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  • ADfreeADfree Member Posts: 188 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I will not tolerate legal hassles.
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  • AntiqueDrAntiqueDr Member Posts: 691 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    New sign:


    "Lawyers will be shot on sight."



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  • COONASSCOONASS Member Posts: 2,068 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    HEY 96HARLEY..........Get one like mind..........
    "Salesman Welcome , Dog food is expensive"

    "A man is known by the
    company his mind keeps."
    T.A. Aldrich
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    96harley, I agree w/ the sentiment, but gunpaq's advice is sound. Stay w/ the standard wording or the scumbags of ATLA will own your soul if there ever should be an incident.
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  • .250Savage.250Savage Member Posts: 812 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    On one hand, as someone who has more than a passing interest in the law, I have to agree that staying with the standard, BORING, non-threatening wording is the most risk-free. But on the other hand, if you start letting lawyers dictate how you live your life, what kind of life is that? I don't have such things posted in the windows of my apartment, but then, I live in urban San Diego, and such things also say, "Break in when I'm not home, I have guns to steal."

    I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.--Voltaire~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    MrNL, the case books are replete with similar outrageous examples of "equity" in tort law. I never understood the principle behind my "duty" to make my property safe for wrong doers under these circumstances; perhaps a factor in my decision *not* to practice law. I don't agree w/ Shakespere - yet - but hanging 75+% of the tort & criminal defense bar would certainly improve society, if not the gene pool.
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  • pops401pops401 Member Posts: 616 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
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    You'll Be found Here Tomorrow

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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    "SIGNS! SIGNS! EVERYWHERE SIGNS!"
    Anyone remember that dumb song from the sixties about "signs" and how opressive they are?
    I remember one of the lines dealt with some guy jumping up on a posted fence, and shouting to the owner of the property, "Hey! WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT!?"
    What gives me the right, you long haired hippy people, is that I own the land. I know you and your marxist utopian pals think I have no right to own property-and the property is there for you to do what you want.
    If I saw some hippie jumping on my fence, screaming "hey what gives you the right to post this land", I would get out a rifle and shoot him off the fence.
    How 'bout Lynard Skynard? After their plane crashed, one of the "surviviors" ran to get some help. He tresspassed on someones "posted" property, and the owner shot him. Aint that something? The guy survives a plane crash, runs to get help, and some guy shoots him because he was tresspassing. Talk about a lousy day!

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  • PiadeaPiadea Member Posts: 146 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Harley, I can assure you your sense of humor and political orientation will be completely lost on a DA, Judge and Jury. The civil suit will follow the criminal trial and at best, you'll be broke from paying your own lawyers. This is the country we live in.
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  • BayouCritterBayouCritter Member Posts: 76 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The lawyers are not the only problems. The insurance companies whose policies are to settle without putting up a fight are fueling the criminals and lawyers to go out file these suits that seem frivalous to most citizens. In most cases you will have no say so in what your insurance company does. Basically, its free money for the bad guys.
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  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000 ✭
    edited November -1
    Had a friend who had a bumper sticker that said "Keep Honking, I'm reloading as fast as I can". He had to defend himself in a road rage situation with the "threat" of deadly force, after which he called and reported it to the police. So did the agressor. (Didn't have to fire) The Dallas Police took a picture of the sticker on his truck, the D.A. prosecuted, and he lost his license. The D.A. said the sticker showed his premeditated, agressive tendences, and he was going to prosecute anyone that pulled a gun with that attitude.

    What a bunch of crap!

    Hey Salzo,

    You right buddy. They think that is another one of our freedoms that they can deny us because they don't like what we say! It's one of Rosie's oneway rights. Like, you can't say anything I don't like, but you can't tell me to shut up, or, you can't have a gun to protect yourself unless you're rich enough to hire someone to carry it for you.... You know the routine!

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    Edited by - dheffley on 05/19/2002 13:03:45
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  • GUNPOWERGUNPOWER Member Posts: 9 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just put some bullseye targets up in your woods facing your dwelling,and if something happens to get in the way,your covered,because it shouldnt have been there in the first place.

    if your having a bad day,go out and kill something and you will feel much better.
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  • 96harley96harley Member Posts: 3,992 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Returning from church today I caught up on your advise. Ooops, let it slip I'm a Christian. Libs are think'n; "Here we go, another gun totting Bible thumping radical." Well anyway, I sure appreciate all the feedback you guys have given. I really like the bull's eye (another unpolitically correct term, cause is deontes torture and pain to some four footed cholesteral infested meal)idea.

    I've Got to read the Indianapolis Star; seems the libs are throwing my name out to the swine once again. Don't these vultures ever get tired of picking on dead meat.

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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've got a few of those signs (purchased at a past gun show) that say something like "Never mind the dog, beware the owner" with a picture of a revolver muzzle pointing at the reader. I never got around to putting them up anywhere because a) they're kinda dumb, b) they could make me liable, and c) it's like advertising that there are guns in here so when I'm not home, try to come in and steal them.

    Know what I mean? I worry about that a little when I advertise my membership in the NRA, but that's important enough to me principle-wise that I'm willing to take a bit of risk to make the statement "Life NRA Member."

    - Life NRA Member
    If dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • William81William81 Member Posts: 25,353 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'll show my age...Salzo, it was actually 1970, and the artists were the Five Man Electrical Band....
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  • FUBARFUBAR Member Posts: 175 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "Lynyrd Skynyrd" Artemus Pyle the drummer was the one that went for help, one of his ribs sticking out of his skin from the plane crash. Never heard of any one shooting him or at him. Showing a little age here also, went to see them in concert 6 times. Long live "Free Bird"!!!

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  • bullelkbullelk Member Posts: 679 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    96 harley,
    I have a sign like Offeror refers to in my sun room window.
    Never Mind The Dog, Beware Of The Owner, with the barrel & cylinder facing you. One thing that goes well with it is to have a reputation that you will back it up. You have to make sure that they had a weapon, and your life was threatend.
    Dead people can't sue, problem is their familys can.
    Gino

    "If All Else Fails, Read The Directions"
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  • seductiveoneseductiveone Member Posts: 159 ✭
    edited November -1
    I might put a sticker on my truck but not on my house. If someone breaks in when Im home, they are in for a heap of trouble. They dont need to know the house they are about to break into is protected by a butt load of guns.

    example: My nephue came over last winter to say hi. he just strolled right in without knocking. My brother was over and we were waching a movie upstairs when we heard some comotion downstairs. I went down to check it out. nothing anywhere. I grabbed a gun and serched room to room and my brother looked outside in the garage and saw someone in there. So I snuck in there. I pointed my 40 right at him. The first thing I did was look to see if he had a weapon and then notice it was my unarmed nephue. He about crapped his pants. I told him never to come in without anouncing himself somehow.

    If he wasnt someone I new, and he had a weapon, he would be a dead criminal. I dont need a sign. Surprise him. As long as he has a gun or something, shoot him. If not, well, I dont think anyone is going to go anyone is going to go anywhere when good ol' Smith&Wesson is pointed at there dome. Cuff them and call the police.
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