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Trying to figure out what I am

seductiveoneseductiveone Member Posts: 159 ✭
edited May 2002 in General Discussion
I was never a political person but the more I learn about the struggle the keep my firearms and the more I hear people on the news the more I wonder what political party my views are best shared with and the more interesting government becomes.
I think I got a little bit down like Liberals are the PETA people and Democrats are for gun control, I think. But I dont know about Republicans or Indpendents. What is the left or the right I keep hearing about. And what is the green party?
If you know a web site for me to check out or if you have any coments to help for me, I would appreciate it.
When I was in school I didn't pay much attention in class.
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  • Bushy ARBushy AR Member Posts: 564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Seductive One...I have found in my life that what I was taught in school was not nearly as important as keeping abreast of what is happening now.I read several different newspapers to get different viewpoints.This BB is another source of information. The NRA web-site is another.At the risk of sounding wishy-washy,I would say that I am a political neutral.I tend to vote for the person and their record,rather than their party.
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm not quite a one-issue guy, but I find I have more in common with the Republican philosophy when it comes to a healthy business economy, strong national defense, and pro Second Amendment. Specific politicians, of course, have varying opinions, so I don't support all Republicans. I helped defeat an anti-gun local Republican here recently. As a rule, I keep out of the religious Republican stuff; it's not my "cause." Even the moderate Republicans often don't agree with the "religious right."

    The Democrats tend to be a coalition of minority groups, social help organizations, charities, arts and environmental groups -- the kind of people who do charity fundraising, which is why some folks call them "bleeding heart" liberals. Of course they think they're more sensitive than Republicans to the needs of those who aren't wealthy.

    The Green Party is even more intensely environmentalist -- nature, nature, nature. The planet's in peril, and all that. Auto emissions, the ozone layer, global warming. Ralph Nader, the guy who exposes unsafe auto engineering, is big in the Green Party. Greenpeace, a radical group, worries about the extinction of species, and sometime they throw themselves in front of whaling vessels, but the Green Party is a more moderate version of that philosophy -- I think.

    The funny thing, is, just because an issue is more important to one party doesn't mean the others don't care about the same issue. Usually it's just that each party has a different balance in mind.

    The Democrats would not tell you they don't care about healthy business any more than the Republicans would tell you they don't care about programs for the underpriveleged. But the Democrats believe bigger government (meaning more programs to cover all their concerns) is the answer. The Republicans tend to think that smaller government (less control over the markets) will lead to more profits all around and a healthier economy for all.

    You can be an independent, as I used to be, but you won't vote in primaries, just general elections. Even if you are a party member, you don't have to vote a straight ticket of course, you can always select whomever you want from either party on a ballot. But if I'm going to vote for mostly Republicans, I felt I wanted to be a Republican and help influence the party a bit more. My Life Membership in the NRA is also important to me, and they are closer to Republicans because of the similarity in views on the Second Amendment, in general.

    - Life NRA Member
    If dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878



    Edited by - offeror on 05/22/2002 22:21:59
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  • seductiveoneseductiveone Member Posts: 159 ✭
    edited November -1
    Thank you for your comments, that helped me out alot. All I hear on the tube is Democrat this Republican that so on and so on. I can never pick up what they are talking about. Im just tying to learn.



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  • Gordian BladeGordian Blade Member Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I used to have a pretty good handle on where I was on the political spectrum until W started shifting left, makes me feel like I'm shifting right even though I'm sitting still.
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  • Gordian BladeGordian Blade Member Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    PS -- If you didn't pay attention to the political discussions in school, you're better off. Now just follow what we tell you and you'll be fine.
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gordian --
    I agree with that. I'm sitting still on gun rights, and as the gun controllers become more hysterical they characterize me more and more as a "radical" or "right wing" just for supporting politicians who believe all 10 of the Bill of Rights are equally important. If they go far enough in terms of regulation, I'll fall off the edge into the criminal category without having lifted a finger. By then, maybe I'll get lucky and every patriotic FFLer will have had an unfortunate accident with their archives. Flooded basements, you know the sort of thing.

    - Life NRA Member
    If dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • gunpaqgunpaq Member Posts: 4,607 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    As my grandmother says " I was born a Democrat, our family is all Democrat, FDR saved us, and we all vote Democrat because the Democrats are the reason why you got what you have today". My grandfather says "That Clinton is a @%#*%#@, Al Gore is a commie, I really like G.W. Bush, too bad he is a Republican". My uncle says "I always vote my unions party, the Democrats are for the working man...all that gun grabbing talk is NRA Republican scare tactics".

    Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Before you vote Republican, remember that the only time that the states and the people had to exercise their right to bear arms against tyranny, was when the Republicans took control of the Federal governbment.

    Happiness is a warm gun
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  • competentonecompetentone Member Posts: 4,696 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Seductiveone,

    You're probably a libertarian. Take the very short quiz the Libertarian party has and find out exactly "what" you are:

    http://www.LP.org/quiz/
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  • Gordian BladeGordian Blade Member Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    OK, Salzo, if that's the way you see it. But the next time is going to be when the Democrats take control.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Democrats are very great about uniting under the cause of liberalism. You will have one democrat who is absolutely against one issue or another but will vote for it in the spirit of unity--personal values and beliefs are traded like baseball cards and there are few real true convictions in this camp.

    Republicans tend to faction off and don't unite as well because they tend to hold there own personal convictions a bit more deeply. This is one of the reasons why we have lost so much ground on so many issues. Republicans are less likely to rally together "for the cause" simply for the sake of gaining Republican ground. They will stick to their convictions and vote accordingly.

    These are very broad generalizations and there are exceptions to every rule but this is how I perceive things.

    SSG idsman75, U.S. ARMY
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    GordianBlade- You might be right... But I think the two parties will join together to do the stomping next time around.

    Happiness is a warm gun
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  • seductiveoneseductiveone Member Posts: 159 ✭
    edited November -1
    Ok. I took that quiz that competentone sugested and I came out a centerist. I didn't know about some of the issues so I voted middle.
    I think that is why I quized as a centerist. I don't know if I will pick a party. Just vote what I feel is best. Listening to everyone on this site is teaching me a great deal. Most everyone brings up good points on both sides of issues. All I know is that this site is addicting.



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  • elmos608elmos608 Member Posts: 124 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Seductiveone

    All I can say is, do politics or politics will do you!
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  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Gosh....I thought I was going to find out if seductiveone was a man or woman !!?? Talk about fooling an old guy !!
    As an aside...the Repubs get passed things that the Dems just wetdream about....neither party represent America the Strong....Their only disagreement is in which party will be in power when they hand us over to the world governance body....

    God,Guts,& GunsHave we lost all 3 ??
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  • seductiveoneseductiveone Member Posts: 159 ✭
    edited November -1
    Highball- I am a MAN. Seductive is the name of the car club I am in.
    Not many female auto body painters out there. Would like to meet one though. Its all in my profile freind. Thanks for the reply. Much appreciated.




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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gun rights have been in such grave danger for the last 50 years that I have tended to vote for the pro-gun man every chance I get, so unless there is something else very unusual going on, I will actively support and write letters to the papers for the pro gun candidate and against the gun controller. This to me is a critical issue and rises above many other issues I may be interested in. The only time a candidate's stance doesn't matter to me is if the position for which he is running has no power to influence gun rights at all.

    I spent 20 years in Los Angeles watching the gun rights bleed away. The strange thing about California is that it was supposed to be (at least in the 60s) the land of freedom, the place to get away from the establishment and "do your thing." It is of course a heavily Democratic state too. But in practice, Democrats love to regulate. They regulate EVERYTHING. In practice, California has become a test tube case for the Democrat philosophy in action, and frankly it looks oppressive. In fact, California has voted itself into a real hard place on many issues, and for freedom loving Americans it is really not the best state to live in any more, if it ever was. I don't know what liberal means in California, because they don't allow liberal portions of anything, least of all personal freedom. I am happy, in a way, to have seen liberalism and the Democractic party get free reign in California because it has demonstrated to me very graphically all of its drawbacks. Despite Republican victories like that of Pete Wilson years ago, nothing has changed. It is the land of gun bans and brown-outs. And that's the tip of the iceberg.

    - Life NRA Member
    If dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I took the quiz and it said I am a libertarian. Is that good or bad?


    If I knew then, what I know now.
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  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It said I'm a right conservative on the 20/60 line, is that a compliment?
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Acoording to that test, I am a fascist.

    Happiness is a warm gun
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  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I took that test and flunked it.

    Clouder..
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  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Wellll...there is a story around here (Tulsa) that there was a female car painter...who liked to paint cars naked. Was said that the little windows looking in the booth was well populated,when she painted...might this give new meaning to the phrase ' the burning bush ?' I was never able to track the story down...dang it....

    God,Guts,& GunsHave we lost all 3 ??
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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Interesting poll . . . score as centrist on the cusp of Libertarian . . . just where I would have responded if I'd had to chracterize myself in the absence of such a tool. As to voting, well, I have voted for Democrats, although none for the past 20 years, at least. I don't like some of the extremist positions in the Republican platform dictated by the religious zealots, but rather than fall on my sword, as so many of that group will if a given candidate doesn't score 101% on their personal ideological scorecard, I will go with the one who most completely embodies my views. I may hold my nose, but I ALWAYS vote. Until a Democrat comes along who sincerely supports the Second Amendment, I suspect the recipient of that vote will be a Republican.
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  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    All politicians suck, its just a matter of figuring out which ones suck worse. Pick a party, I picked republican mainly because of the gun issues but some other moral issues as well, then in the election follow the peoples views and stances, try to decifer whats b.s. and whats fact and then vote your conscience.

    When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
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  • daddodaddo Member Posts: 3,408
    edited November -1
    Lets get rid of "republican" and "democrat" and call ourselves "AMERICANS".
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  • shoottilltheneighborscallthesherrifshoottilltheneighborscallthesherrif Member Posts: 85 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think that what Seductiveone means is, he is trying to decide if he is homosexual or hedrosexual. hahaha! just kidding! dude, this is your brother again, love you dude. p.s. kiss my .40!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh, get you * down here!
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  • seductiveoneseductiveone Member Posts: 159 ✭
    edited November -1
    Hay brother! Glad you checked this site out. What, is my phone busy again? By the way, check out the "Ask the experts" about your 40 cal.?




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