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E. Williams.

agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
edited August 2002 in General Discussion
http://ballistics.ntinnovations.com/Default.aspx

Eric you will like this site. It has load data with graphs and you can change the data to see how it is affected in the graphs. You will have to register though.

http://www.beartoothbullets.com/index.htm Here is another one that also has load data. You also have to register oj this site. I use a lot of his cast bullets. There is a thread on his forums under the wildcat cartridges that talks about a cartridge I and a friend designed and then when I wrote a letter to Ken Waters asking about powders, he all of a sudden came out with his 416 Express based on the same design I did.

AlleninAlaska

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Edited by - aglore on 08/23/2002 01:43:18
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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    E.Wikkiams?..lol.I will check those out pronto.I was about to post a thread to talk a little about the 45/70 with you.I think I am confident in my abilities enough as a hunter to take a single sht to the field with me this season.I will be only going after Whitetails and Hogs with this rifle and want to know if I get a good solid hit with one of these monsters if it will reliably kill with one shot.I know it was a Buffalo gun so my question must seem stupid but I have never hunted with this round and better to ask than get out there and have to go chasing something down because I coudnt get my second shot loaded fast enough.The rifle I am looking at is a NEF Handi-Rifle single in 45/70 with Tasco World Class Scope included.Also I know some rounds are just more naturally accurate than others how does this one fair?Thanks for the links and any help on the above issue Allen.

    Eric S. Williams
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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Did you edit that heading or was I seeing things?

    Eric S. Williams
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  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    Eric the 45-70 can be a very accurate cartridge in the right firearm. I have owned several from a T/C Contender to a Ruger #1 with a couple of them being Marlin lever guns and a Siamese Mauser. I have found that it will work best with cast bullets. I use the Beartooth Bullets 405 grain WFN GC that is made specifically for the Marlin chamber, but will work in other firearms. It is made specifically for the Marlin because the Marlins have short throats. The NEF Handi Rifle should be a good candidate. That picture of the grizzly bear I had posted on here was taken with a Ruger #1 in 416 Rigby. I put 4 rounds into that bear starting from a distance of 75 yards. Those 4 rounds were shot in less than 30 seconds. All were fatal shots, just that the bear did not know he was dead. I can't stress enough about practing reloading with a single shot rifle if that is what you want to hunt with. Keep 2 extra rounds between your finger that are supporting the forearm. I put hundreds and hundreds of rounds through that Ruger #1 from all field positions that I could think of. The reason for that was just to learn how to reload quickly and get back on target. You would be suprised how quick you can reload a single shot rifle or pistol.

    AlleninAlaska

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  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    http://www.shootersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=777d79cb6223535d55c81c79c9f0f8f9&threadid=3030

    AlleninAlaska

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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Allen whats the velocity of your typical factory loaded 45/70?I went to the Beartooth Bullet site and used the Knockdown Calculator but since Im not sure the typical velocity I had to guess I put 450grn @ 1100fps the rating was 139 KD which was good for anything up to some African game then I tried 425grn @ 1450fps with 172KD rating which was good for Grizzley.Are my guess' way off and if so + or -?

    Eric S. Williams

    Edited by - E.Williams on 08/23/2002 02:10:47
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  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    Eric with the 405 grain Beartooth Bullets bullet loaded over 56 grains of H322 in my Marlin 1895 I am getting 1950 FPS from it's 18.5" barrel. From my Ruger #1 I was getting 2300 FPS with the 300 grain Barnes X bullet over 63 grains of H322. In my T/C Contender with the 400 grain plain base bullet from Beartooth Bullets I was getting 1620 FPS from it's 14" barrel with 49 grains of H322.

    AlleninAlaska

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  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    Eric you can go to the following web site and download your own Ballistic Program. It's called PointBlank.

    http://www.huntingnut.com/pointblank.html

    AlleninAlaska

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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I will try that new link and put together a program.I went to the first link you have listed up there and the only 45/70 I could see was a 325grn Flatnose on top of 30grains of powder which I thought was a awfully small charge for such a heavy bullet and I guess so since yours are double that.I was way off on the velocity I see which is good now it will have even more effect than anticipated.

    Eric S. Williams

    Edited by - E.Williams on 08/23/2002 02:33:19
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have admired the 45/70 from a distance for a long time. I personally would probably look for a lever action, as there's something about the American tradition and this caliber that seems to shout lever gun at me. I'm usually not a fan of plain lead ball, but I'd make an exception for 45/70, if that's what we're shooting today.

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  • airborneairborne Member Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    On many ocassions I have gone to the desert with two rifles a Browning 1885 High Wall 45-70 and a Browning 1885 Low Wall .22 Hornet with a Leupold 3x9. With a couple of pistols like a Colt SAA and semi-automatic what more can an individual need.

    Single shot shooting has been one of the best things I have done to improve overall shooting skills.

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  • The firearms consultantThe firearms consultant Member Posts: 716 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Has anyone had any experience with Marlin's 1895 Cowboy, 9 round magazine? Thats lots of lead.
    John

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  • txnhntrtxnhntr Member Posts: 136 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    aglore that beartooth bullet site is way to cool. i done had to go dig out all my load data, i will be hear for hours......

    glen e nuinez
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  • flatdogflatdog Member Posts: 201 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Firearms Consultant,

    I have an 1894 cowboy limited in .44 mag / spl.
    24". octagonal barrel
    10 shot mag.
    Marble semi-buckhorn rear
    " carbine front sights.

    It points and shoots well and handles more like a carbine than a full size rifle. Wish it came with a better trigger, that's life. Otherwise it's fine for me right out of the box. That octagonal barrel sure makes a statement. I would think your '95 would be about the same except for the weight.
    flatdog.

    P.S. The rear sight is cut wide and makes the high front sight very easy to pick up under a varity of light conditions and backgrounds. It's fast, almost leaps up at you. I'd say it's almost as good as a good peep. And that's saying alot for a semi-buckhorn.
    good shootin'

    " Love is what goes on between a man and a .45 pistol that won't jam."

    Edited by - flatdog on 08/24/2002 03:57:57
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