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help with sick pup

hunter280manhunter280man Member Posts: 705 ✭
edited July 2002 in General Discussion
We have a new family member of 11 weeks old he's a miniature snouser.

After telling the wife to look in a paper for a new pet for my daughter she found and bought a pup in one day without even looking anywheres else! $350. for him but he was adorable.

Ok, then in two days he gets a blatter infection, ok, $200.+ later and two weeks he's ok with that. Now he's looking like he is having mini-seizers, little shaking and running into stuff. He will also stand in a courner with his head low. Vet says it could be lack of sugars, but we have food around the clock for him. Now he's eating but vomiting up shortly after.

I gave him a little karo syrup and some mineral oil to hopefully get him going again.

Now this isnt normal, and my heart is pounding out for him, Does any body have a idea what may be wrong? Wifey finally descided that we won't be taking him in to the vet anymore...we have already over $1000. invested in my daughters pet.

Help?

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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    Sorry to hear of your troubles with your puppy... Has he had his shots?.. It almost sounds like distemper with the vomiting, seizures.. but its hard to tell in puppies... This site is rather good and might help.. but I would advise taking him to the vet... You could always get your money back from the seller of the puppy if it proved to be neglect on the sellers part
    It could be something very simple, but its best to have it checked out...

    http://us.merial.com/pet_owners/dogs/preventative.html

    One woman's opinion

    Edited by - BlackRoses on 06/19/2002 09:05:33
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  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    Your puppy may have epilepsy, I believe it is quite common with snausers. The vomiting could be an alergic reaction to the food you are giving him. If you dont want to spend an absorbant amount of money on him I would take him back to the person you purchased it from and demand my money back. I you choose to keep it then you may not have a choice but to continue vet visits to monitor his health.

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  • hunter280manhunter280man Member Posts: 705 ✭
    edited November -1
    Thanyou for the combacks. Yes he has all the shots...and when my wife asked about if the pup died they said they didn't have any garuntee's. But on the same subject, the vet said the breeder looked like he couldn't have known and is not at fault.

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  • mousemouse Member Posts: 3,624
    edited November -1
    Did you have the little guy onAntibiotics? Perhaps the normal
    flora of his gut was destroyed along with the bladder infection?
    I'd give the pup some yogurt with acidophilus culture in it(read the'
    label) and a rice diet puppy food for a few days. hope he lives.
    Neither of these things could harm him,and they may help.
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  • hunter280manhunter280man Member Posts: 705 ✭
    edited November -1
    Yes mouse, he did have 2-3 weeks of antibiotics but then he started feeling and going better. I'll give it a try thankyou!!!

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  • axlerfanaxlerfan Member Posts: 713 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Take it back?!?!? never heard of such a thing...whenever ive taken on the resonsibility of a pet, its never been conditional upon the pets health. my cocker, "lucky", is a perfect example of this. shes a dog pound refugee who has devoloped cancer, lost one eye and is going blind in the other (both of which are related to the cancer), and i never once considered taking her back to the pound. best dog youve ever seen. she guards the house, goe everywhere i do (including work, shopping, etc) and even rides on back of my motorcycle (75,000 miles so far). id never dream of taking her back.

    Hunter, i wish you the best of luck with your new dog, please dont give up on him...id suggest a visit with a good vet, maybe a change in diet, and lots of love.
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    LIKTOSHOOT :
    Take it back????/ Imagine for a moment his daughter when told " We had to give him back cause he was sick"... the first time that child gets sick she will be thinking "are they going to send me back?'
    Dont tell me a kid doesnt think that way.. they do.. Also imagine the daughters heartbreak if after this time span the puppy is "given back"/
    Getting the money back is one thing.. but giving the puppy back?????????..

    Hunter280man:
    Talk to the vet, try to work out some sort or payment schedule...most will agree to it...some vets are totally heartless granted.. but most are not and would be willing to work with you.. The dog's love and your daughters eyes when she looks at you will be all worth it.. it could be a very minor problem.... at least try...
    Keep us informed..

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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    And if it is epilepsy, there are medications for that. I have in-laws whose golden retreiver has it. The medication will cure all but a couple of seizures/yr. Don't give up on him if you can fix him.

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  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    schnauzer
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  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    snowzer

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  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    shnowzer

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  • BT99BT99 Member Posts: 1,043 ✭
    edited November -1
    Take the dog to another Vet., and get a second opinion.
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    With a pup it's a little touchier. I'd really recommend one more trip to the vet, just one, with maybe an x-ray to see if there could be a bowel obstruction or twisted bowel, something like that. If she is able to eat the yogurt but not the dogfood, it could be a partial obstruction.

    Since you say no drugs were given to the dog before this started, it's less likely to be an allergic reaction, but if it were an allergy to something, you can give a dog about a 1/4 to 1/2 of a human dose of Benadryl to settle the stomach. I've given my dog a little liquid Benedryl at my vet's suggestion to counter the aftereffects of a booster shot that made her vomit uncontrollably.

    You can also safely give a dog a small amount of Pepto Bysmal, even though there's a little aspirin in it.

    If you simply can't do one more vet visit and maybe an x-ray, call around to vet hospitals and try to get them to give you some possible diagnoses over the phone, and perhaps they'd let you stop by and at least buy some medicine to try. A twisted bowel (due to, say, nerves) might untwist in a short time, and an obstruction might or might not pass depending on what it is. If you don't want to wind up back at the vet from time to time, keep everything small away from the dog and don't give her any bones at all to chew, no matter what kind for a while. Some dogs break 'em into chunks and swallow the chunks. Keep in mind that pups need more vet attention in their first year than they will later on, so what you have spent isn't really that outrageous, and if you fix whatever this is, it could be clear sailing. This doesn't sound like a "lemon dog" to me -- yet. Schnauzers are a bit high strung and they do have stresses. Try to keep your pup in a routine and don't leave her alone a lot, things like that, that cause extra stress. If you cage her at night, try keeping the cage in a room with you instead of off in some other part of the house by itself.

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  • hunter280manhunter280man Member Posts: 705 ✭
    edited November -1
    I already called the wife home and am sending her with the dog to get "yes, another oppinion"

    As far as how to spell the name,,,well I can't and you all can tell it can't you. Please forgive a country boy!

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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Man, I feel better already. Please be sure and let us know the outcome on this.

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  • dipper2222dipper2222 Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:
    We have a new family member of 11 weeks old he's a miniature snouser.

    After telling the wife to look in a paper for a new pet for my daughter she found and bought a pup in one day without even looking anywheres else! $350. for him but he was adorable.

    Ok, then in two days he gets a blatter infection, ok, $200.+ later and two weeks he's ok with that. Now he's looking like he is having mini-seizers, little shaking and running into stuff. He will also stand in a courner with his head low. Vet says it could be lack of sugars, but we have food around the clock for him. Now he's eating but vomiting up shortly after.

    I gave him a little karo syrup and some mineral oil to hopefully get him going again.

    Now this isnt normal, and my heart is pounding out for him, Does any body have a idea what may be wrong? Wifey finally descided that we won't be taking him in to the vet anymore...we have already over $1000. invested in my daughters pet.

    Help?

    Though I was born to royalty, I was snatched at birth, so treat me as the noble I am!!!
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    Liketoshoot... read his post.. its is "daughters pet"..

    If it was a hunting dog, or guard dog.. yes, quality would be an issue but the pup was purchased as a pet and his daughter is already attached to it..

    Now days its almost impossible to get a pup that is "free" .. even the pound here charges, when all totalled, would be over 100.. and as for getting a puppy?.. forget it.. all grown dogs..





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  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You aren't doing anybody any favors by nursing a sick animal along, especially a puppy. Chances are too good it will turn very sour in the end, after you have become attached to it. You certainly aren't doing the dog any favors either. Imagine being sick most of the time. Nature takes these kind out in a hurry, don't interfere.

    Different story with an animal that has been healthy and with you a longer time. This pup's problem sounds congenital. Kill it and learn a lesson, check references.

    Clouder..
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    liktoshoot
    I didnt find you harsh.. I too have been around animals all my life and depended on them for food... (try killing a chicken your daughter has named after you)..sheeeeeeeesh..

    Anywho.. the point I was trying to make, was the fact his daughter is attached to it.. and that is the feelings and intellect they would be dealing with....a childs....
    Some breeders (for lack of a better term) will not take the puppy back nor give refunds, or pay the vet's bill.. they are the ones that should be put out of business.. this puppy may just have a minor illness as a lot of puppies get.. or it could be something from birth.. etc.. sometimes the only recourse is to take it to court

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  • dipper2222dipper2222 Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:
    We have a new family member of 11 weeks old he's a miniature snouser.

    After telling the wife to look in a paper for a new pet for my daughter she found and bought a pup in one day without even looking anywheres else! $350. for him but he was adorable.

    Ok, then in two days he gets a blatter infection, ok, $200.+ later and two weeks he's ok with that. Now he's looking like he is having mini-seizers, little shaking and running into stuff. He will also stand in a courner with his head low. Vet says it could be lack of sugars, but we have food around the clock for him. Now he's eating but vomiting up shortly after.

    I gave him a little karo syrup and some mineral oil to hopefully get him going again.

    Now this isnt normal, and my heart is pounding out for him, Does any body have a idea what may be wrong? Wifey finally descided that we won't be taking him in to the vet anymore...we have already over $1000. invested in my daughters pet.

    Help?

    Though I was born to royalty, I was snatched at birth, so treat me as the noble I am!!!
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  • dipper2222dipper2222 Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:
    We have a new family member of 11 weeks old he's a miniature snouser.

    After telling the wife to look in a paper for a new pet for my daughter she found and bought a pup in one day without even looking anywheres else! $350. for him but he was adorable.

    Ok, then in two days he gets a blatter infection, ok, $200.+ later and two weeks he's ok with that. Now he's looking like he is having mini-seizers, little shaking and running into stuff. He will also stand in a courner with his head low. Vet says it could be lack of sugars, but we have food around the clock for him. Now he's eating but vomiting up shortly after.

    I gave him a little karo syrup and some mineral oil to hopefully get him going again.

    Now this isnt normal, and my heart is pounding out for him, Does any body have a idea what may be wrong? Wifey finally descided that we won't be taking him in to the vet anymore...we have already over $1000. invested in my daughters pet.

    Help?

    Though I was born to royalty, I was snatched at birth, so treat me as the noble I am!!!
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  • dipper2222dipper2222 Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Please visit http://clubs.akc.org/amsca/health.html. This is a site dedicated to the health of minature schnauzers. There is quite a bit of information regarding urinary studies and bladder studies. There are certain genes that dogs can inherit that can cause these problems and there is no way for a breeder to know unless the sire/* have been tested for it. Please let me know how it comes out and please don't put the little guy down.

    Thank you,

    Dipper
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  • hunter280manhunter280man Member Posts: 705 ✭
    edited November -1
    Ok guys; heres the scoop.

    Yogurt works! Believe it or not the little guy was slobbering all over himself and shaking like a leaf on a tree but he smelled the blueberry yogurt an took a lick...then another..then another.

    He is looking much better, it only took a few minutes for him to show little signs of improvement. Right now he is still a little slow but he is back to being the biteing machine he is!!!

    Thanks alot for the info from all of you!

    I never ment for this subject to be so controvercial... just wanted some advice.

    My daughter is only 8 but understands as well as could be expected. She was there when I came home from work to find our lab-golden in heat stroke last summer and heard me do what I needed. She still asks questions but has a pretty good grip on why and how-come. He was just too far gone to help.

    NOW for the breeder!!! Gave him a call and explained it all to him. He said that there is no garauntee but will give us a great deal on another pup from his next litter. He just can't understand why this is happening and they haven't had a single poor pup in 10 years of buisness. So it is most likely our water or something we did to him. HUH!!! YEA...RIGHT!!! I'm just going to run over and buy another.

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  • shootlowshootlow Member Posts: 5,425
    edited November -1
    if its parvo you can try chicken skin and broth it helped one of mine get through it and spray your yard with strong bleach water
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    Okay.. you said you were taking the puppy for another opinion.. I presume to a vet?.. What did he say?... *S

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  • jager22jager22 Member Posts: 197 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    .22 to the head.....
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  • hunter280manhunter280man Member Posts: 705 ✭
    edited November -1
    No not a .22 He's there right now, won't know till later today I hope.

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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm VERY glad to hear you went ahead with one more trip to the vet. Still very interested to hear what was wrong and so forth. I'm rootin' for the little guy.

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  • dipper2222dipper2222 Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    How is the little one? Have you given him Pedialite? Hope all is well.
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  • Ms. BeastMs. Beast Member Posts: 496 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    We had a black lab that got Parvo when we got him. He spent almost a week in the hospital and they told us to put him down, we gave him one more day and he started getting better. He came home soon after and lived to the age of 13 and then had to be put down because of CHF. He was the best dog we ever had or will have.

    I think you should give the pup a chance! We breed our lab and I would take back a pup at any time due to health problems. I had one lady who took one from our last litter and kept changing its food, got a bladder infection and she complained. The vet said she should feed it one type of food and let it get use to it!! It no longer has any problems except the normal puppy things........teething!!
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My parents' dog "Buddy" is a daschundt. He's a cute little bugger and is quite the intelligent little watchdog. Well, Buddy had a siezure a few months ago and it has been determined that they can't determine anything to be wrong with him.

    Speaking of dogs with siezures. I dated a girl once who was hypoglycemic. I picked her up for a Halloween date and didn't realize that she hadn't eaten anything all day long which is a big no-no if you have that condition. I convinced her that we should go out to the mall and see all of the cute little kids in their costumes and catch a movie and then have a late dinner at a local 24-hour diner. She agreed and then went into a siezure in a store at the mall. She's not epileptic so the doctor's determined that she went into hypoglycemic shock due to incredibly low blood-sugar levels. I didn't know things like that could cause siezures. I felt guilty as hell for a long long time over that one.

    I hope your dog is okay. It's hard to see a buddy go through something like that.
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    Hunder280man ..Have you heard what is wrong or was wrong with the puppy?

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  • hunter280manhunter280man Member Posts: 705 ✭
    edited November -1
    Ok every one, and thankx for all the concerns!!! I mean it.

    The pup had a bladder infection when we got him several weeks ago and it took 2 weeks to get it under control with antibiotics...

    The bloodwork came back ok... but he is extreemly enemic right now, he lost alot more blood han we thought...His seizers are a part of not enough blood and needed to be fed continuously...his extreamly fast and heavy breathing was from the same reason...he still has a bleading bladder and the vet can't figure it out but gave him intervenous iv to get his body fluids back up. Now he is standing up on his hind legs to get petted without falling over dizzy.

    We have to feed all day long now but he might make it...sure looks better.

    Vet says the dog was an obvious sighn of over-breeding but will make a good pet if he lives.

    The breeder is denying it of course!



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  • dipper2222dipper2222 Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I can believe it is over breeding, The lady we bought our last puppies from only bred her females 1 every other year. She was not in it for money, but for quality, but even with the best of intentions sometimes there may be a bad pup in the litter, but he/she should have agreed to take it back. I know the lady we brought ours from does, in fact she states that if you ever decide to give up the dog, bring them back to her. My uncle was the same way raised Standards and Minis for years and showed them. He would have had you bring the dog back or at least offered to pay for the medical expenses. Just another opinion.
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  • dipper2222dipper2222 Member Posts: 7 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Please report this breeder to the AKC and the Miniature Schnauzer Club of America. They will investigate this.
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the update. Hope once you get past the anemia everything straightens out.

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  • mousemouse Member Posts: 3,624
    edited November -1
    please pardon, if you've let us know about the pup and I
    missed it. Been busy with the veterans. How's the pup?
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