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Seatbelt Stop Yields Weapons Bust

drobsdrobs Member Posts: 22,611 ✭✭✭✭
edited May 2009 in General Discussion
Seatbelt Stop Yields Weapons Bust In OC


By The Dispatch Staff
Originally published May 22, 2009

OCEAN CITY - A Pennsylvania man was arrested on illegal gun charges last weekend in Ocean City after a Maryland State Police (MSP) trooper in the resort assisting with the Cruisin' event pulled him over for a seat belt violation.

Around 4:30 p.m. last Friday, a MSP trooper assigned to a special hot rod weekend enforcement detail in Ocean City observed the driver of a 1995 Dodge Ram pick-up, later identified as Colin Whitney Stipe, 28, of Columbia, Pa., driving without his seatbelt on in the area of 33rd Street and Baltimore Ave. The trooper pulled Stipe over for the seat belt violation when he observed an empty holster in the rear passenger seat area.

The trooper asked Stipe if there were any firearms in the vehicle and the suspect responded there was a handgun in the center console. At that point, the trooper asked the occupants to step out of the vehicle and a subsequent search revealed a Springfield sub-compact 9mm handgun in the center console. The firearm was fully loaded with nine rounds in the magazine and one round chambered.

Stipe advised the trooper he did have a concealed weapon carry permit issued by the state of Pennsylvania, but there is currently no reciprocity agreement between Pennsylvania and Maryland, putting Stipe in violation of the Maryland firearms regulation. Stipe was arrested and charged with possession of a concealed deadly weapon and was taken before a District Court Commissioner.

http://www.mdcoastdispatch.com/article.php?cid=25&id=6183


More Guns Recovered

BERLIN - A Pennsylvania man was arrested on illegal transport of firearms last week after a Maryland State Police (MSP) trooper pulled him over for speeding on Route 50 near Berlin.

Around 2 p.m. last Thursday, a MSP trooper working routine traffic patrol along Route 50 pulled over a red Chevy Suburban in the eastbound lanes of the highway near Route 818 (Main Street) in Berlin. When the officer contacted the driver, later identified as Adam Topper, 32, of Gettysburg, he observed ammunition on the floorboard of the vehicle behind the passenger seat.

When the trooper asked Topper about the ammunition, the suspect told the officer he had firearms in the vehicle. The investigation revealed Topper had previously used the guns at a firearms range in Pennsylvania several days prior and failed to remove them from the vehicle before traveling to Ocean City. Troopers searched the vehicle and discovered three firearms in the rear of the truck including two handguns and a shotgun with a modified barrel.

The ammunition was within close range of the firearms and three of the Ruger 9mm magazines were loaded with one in the firearm but not charged. The troopers ran a check on the weapons to see if they had been reported stolen, but the results were negative. Topper was arrested and charged with illegal transport of firearms and was taken before a District Court Commissioner.

http://www.mdcoastdispatch.com/article.php?cid=25&id=6183

Comments

  • slipgateslipgate Member Posts: 12,741
    edited November -1
    yeah, MD sucks alright for CCW. Just about the worst state in fact. My VA friends have to be careful that they do not wander into MD with their concealed guns - even just in the car can be problematic.
  • JnRockwallJnRockwall Member Posts: 16,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Chicken poop cop
  • slipgateslipgate Member Posts: 12,741
    edited November -1
    Actually, if that cop wasn't a complete *, he could have educated the guy on MD gun laws, had him unload the gun and put the gun in the trunk. Then it would have been legal in MD.
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by slipgate
    yeah, MD sucks alright for CCW. Just about the worst state in fact. My VA friends have to be careful that they do not wander into MD with their concealed guns - even just in the car can be problematic.

    I generally try to avoid the temptation to badmouth anybody's hometown, with the possible exception of California, New York and New Jersey [:D], but Maryland sucks in more ways than CCW.

    That's the only place in the entire world that I have seen a horse drawn hay wagon traveling down an interstate highway with a VASCAR unit on the side of it. Only place I've seen that in my entire life.

    Maryland is out to screw anybody, any way they can, especially anybody from out of state. I avoid Maryland at all cost. If I had to go to New York or New Jersey (God forbid), I'd come down through Canada. [;)] [:D]
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • matwormatwor Member Posts: 20,594
    edited November -1
    Couldn't have either one of these guys claimed they were traveling thru and been alright? I thought, (maybe urban legend) that there was some sort of variance on carrying firearms in your vehicle if you were to be considered "traveling."
  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
    That's the only place in the entire world that I have seen a horse drawn hay wagon traveling down an interstate highway with a VASCAR unit on the side of it.Not sure what you saw, but it wasn't a VASCAR unit.

    They're just small boxes, mounted on the car's dash or console. These are not much more than a calculator coupled with a timer triggered by the operater using Mk I Mod 0 Eyeball.
  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not that I agree in any shape, form or fashion with how MD operates, but traveling through a notorious anti-firearms state with holsters, cases or ammunition lying in plain sight is just plumb stupid.
  • footlongfootlong Member Posts: 8,009
    edited November -1
    Aint nutten MERRY bout Maryland when it comes to guns[V]
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Txs
    Not sure what you saw, but it wasn't a VASCAR unit.

    They're just small boxes, mounted on the car's dash or console. These are not much more than a calculator coupled with a timer triggered by the operater using Mk I Mod 0 Eyeball.

    That was a while back. Maryland isn't new to the rip off business. VASCAR has been around since the 1960s.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • wsfiredudewsfiredude Member Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    JBTs.[:(!]

    Well, I will avoid the State of Maryland like the plague, because it's for damn sure that I will not go about unarmed or have someone dictate to me just how/when/in what manner I can provide for the safety and security of myself and/or family.
  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
    That was a while back. Maryland isn't new to the rip off business. VASCAR has been around since the 1960s.With VASCAR there's no reason for anything to be mounted outside in the breeze.

    I was trained on them back then and they've always looked as I described. IMHO they're the least accurate, most prone to operater error devices used for speed enforcement. [:(!]

    If what you saw was a cone shaped unit 16-18 inches long and about 8 inches in diameter, that was a 60's-70's era radar antenna.
  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,093 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Don't give a damm about Maryland laws. Mine is a federal CCW and ALL CCWs should have reciprocity just like a driver's license.

    By the way, just have enough common sense to be aware of where you are at. And what to answer when asked the question.
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
  • mechman460mechman460 Member Posts: 183 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thats why I live in Texas!
  • Colt SuperColt Super Member Posts: 31,007
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Alpine
    Don't give a damm about Maryland laws. Mine is a federal CCW and ALL CCWs should have reciprocity just like a driver's license.

    By the way, just have enough common sense to be aware of where you are at. And what to answer when asked the question.


    What is a "federal CCW" ??

    Please explain to me how one goes about applying for one, and what agency supplies them.

    I think I would like to apply for one.

    Thank you.

    Doug
  • War Pig ActualWar Pig Actual Member Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you're ridin' dirty follow the rules of the road. The dude is stupid for not wearing a seat belt for more than one reason. Bottom line, is don't give them a reason to pull you over.
  • wsfiredudewsfiredude Member Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by War Pig Actual
    If you're ridin' dirty follow the rules of the road.

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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    Can we all say "predatory government".

    A sign of the times and it is escalating.

    There should be no surprise.
  • CS8161CS8161 Member Posts: 13,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by slipgate
    Actually, if that cop wasn't a complete *, he could have educated the guy on MD gun laws, had him unload the gun and put the gun in the trunk. Then it would have been legal in MD.


    Where is the glory in that??? Its better to impress your supervisors with the big gun pinch![xx(]
  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,093 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
    quote:Originally posted by Alpine
    Don't give a damm about Maryland laws. Mine is a federal CCW and ALL CCWs should have reciprocity just like a driver's license.

    By the way, just have enough common sense to be aware of where you are at. And what to answer when asked the question.


    What is a "federal CCW" ??

    Please explain to me how one goes about applying for one, and what agency supplies them.

    I think I would like to apply for one.

    Thank you.

    Doug


    First question: Are you currently retired with at least 10 years as a police officer?

    Read HR 218.
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
  • screwobamascrewobama Member Posts: 625
    edited November -1
    wsfiredude
    Advanced Member



    USA
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    Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:45:15 PM

    quote:
    Originally posted by War Pig Actual

    If you're ridin' dirty follow the rules of the road.



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    And the Philistine arose, and drew nigh to meet David.
    And David put his hand in his bag, and drew out a stone, and slung it, and smote the giant in his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth.
    I Samuel 17:48-49


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    Riddin' dirty= white translation/ if your going to do something illegal, don't give the police a reason to stop you or advertise your illegal activities. In other words if your gong to transport drugs then make sure the vehicle is legal with registration, insurance, no broken lights etc. and don't get high before you make the trip so if you get stopped you won't have chinesse eyes.
  • 11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Couldn't have either one of these guys claimed they were traveling thru and been alright? I thought, (maybe urban legend) that there was some sort of variance on carrying firearms in your vehicle if you were to be considered "traveling."

    Mat- your thinking of the Federal Peaceable Journey Law- does not apply if gun is loaded and in passenger compartment.

    And other than being a current or retired LEO, I would LOVE to hear some more about this FEDERAL CCW license.....
  • scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited November -1
    so are the charges felonies? I mean these guys face a felony firearms charge probably a minimum fine and time in prison, not to mention loss of 2A rights forever...really sucks
  • trc313trc313 Member Posts: 3,475
    edited November -1
    Originally posted by us55840
    Seat belt laws infringe upon freedom.
    [/quote

    AMEN!!!!!!!!!
    They claim they care for your safety but all this is is a reason to stop you to look for other "infractions"!!!!!!!!!
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by scottm21166
    so are the charges felonies? I mean these guys face a felony firearms charge probably a minimum fine and time in prison, not to mention loss of 2A rights forever...really sucks

    I'm not a lawyer, but this is the code. It says it's a misdemeanor, but it looks like some pretty severe penalties for a misdemeanor.

    http://www.michie.com/maryland/lpext.dll?f=templates&fn=main-h.htm&2.0

    ? 4-203. Wearing, carrying, or transporting handgun.

    (a) Prohibited.-

    (1) Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, a person may not:

    (i) wear, carry, or transport a handgun, whether concealed or open, on or about the person;

    (ii) wear, carry, or knowingly transport a handgun, whether concealed or open, in a vehicle traveling on a road or parking lot generally used by the public, highway, waterway, or airway of the State;

    (iii) violate item (i) or (ii) of this paragraph while on public school property in the State; or

    (iv) violate item (i) or (ii) of this paragraph with the deliberate purpose of injuring or killing another person.

    (2) There is a rebuttable presumption that a person who transports a handgun under paragraph (1)(ii) of this subsection transports the handgun knowingly.

    (b) Exceptions.- This section does not prohibit:

    (1) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person who is on active assignment engaged in law enforcement, is authorized at the time and under the circumstances to wear, carry, or transport the handgun as part of the person's official equipment, and is:

    (i) a law enforcement official of the United States, the State, or a county or city of the State;

    (ii) a member of the armed forces of the United States or of the National Guard on duty or traveling to or from duty;

    (iii) a law enforcement official of another state or subdivision of another state temporarily in this State on official business;

    (iv) a correctional officer or warden of a correctional facility in the State;

    (v) a sheriff or full-time assistant or deputy sheriff of the State; or

    (vi) a temporary or part-time sheriff's deputy;

    (2) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person to whom a permit to wear, carry, or transport the handgun has been issued under Title 5, Subtitle 3 of the Public Safety Article;

    (3) the carrying of a handgun on the person or in a vehicle while the person is transporting the handgun to or from the place of legal purchase or sale, or to or from a bona fide repair shop, or between bona fide residences of the person, or between the bona fide residence and place of business of the person, if the business is operated and owned substantially by the person if each handgun is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster;

    (4) the wearing, carrying, or transporting by a person of a handgun used in connection with an organized military activity, a target shoot, formal or informal target practice, sport shooting event, hunting, a Department of Natural Resources-sponsored firearms and hunter safety class, trapping, or a dog obedience training class or show, while the person is engaged in, on the way to, or returning from that activity if each handgun is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster;

    (5) the moving by a bona fide gun collector of part or all of the collector's gun collection from place to place for public or private exhibition if each handgun is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster;

    (6) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person on real estate that the person owns or leases or where the person resides or within the confines of a business establishment that the person owns or leases;

    (7) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a supervisory employee:

    (i) in the course of employment;

    (ii) within the confines of the business establishment in which the supervisory employee is employed; and

    (iii) when so authorized by the owner or manager of the business establishment; or

    (8) the carrying or transporting of a signal pistol or other visual distress signal approved by the United States Coast Guard in a vessel on the waterways of the State or, if the signal pistol or other visual distress signal is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case, in a vehicle.

    (c) Penalty.-

    (1) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to the penalties provided in this subsection.

    (2) If the person has not previously been convicted under this section, ? 4-204 of this subtitle, or ? 4-101 or ? 4-102 of this title:

    (i) except as provided in item (ii) of this paragraph, the person is subject to imprisonment for not less than 30 days and not exceeding 3 years or a fine of not less than $250 and not exceeding $2,500 or both; or

    (ii) if the person violates subsection (a)(1)(iii) of this section, the person shall be sentenced to imprisonment for not less than 90 days.

    (3) (i) If the person has previously been convicted once under this section, ? 4-204 of this subtitle, or ? 4-101 or ? 4-102 of this title:

    1. except as provided in item 2 of this subparagraph, the person is subject to imprisonment for not less than 1 year and not exceeding 10 years; or

    2. if the person violates subsection (a)(1)(iii) of this section, the person is subject to imprisonment for not less than 3 years and not exceeding 10 years.

    (ii) The court may not impose less than the applicable minimum sentence provided under subparagraph (i) of this paragraph.

    (4) (i) If the person has previously been convicted more than once under this section, ? 4-204 of this subtitle, or ? 4-101 or ? 4-102 of this title, or of any combination of these crimes:

    1. except as provided in item (2) of this subparagraph, the person is subject to imprisonment for not less than 3 years and not exceeding 10 years; or

    2. A. if the person violates subsection (a)(1)(iii) of this section, the person is subject to imprisonment for not less than 5 years and not exceeding 10 years; or

    B. if the person violates subsection (a)(1)(iv) of this section, the person is subject to imprisonment for not less than 5 years and not exceeding 10 years.

    (ii) The court may not impose less than the applicable minimum sentence provided under subparagraph (i) of this paragraph.

    [An. Code 1957, art. 27, ? 36B(b), (c); 2002, ch. 26, ? 2; 2003, ch. 17; ch. 21, ? 1; 2004, ch. 25; 2005, ch. 482.]
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • givettegivette Member Posts: 10,886
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Alpine
    Don't give a damm about Maryland laws. Mine is a federal CCW and ALL CCWs should have reciprocity just like a driver's license.

    By the way, just have enough common sense to be aware of where you are at. And what to answer when asked the question.


    So, would you please tell us a little about [item in blue]? Although I don't qualify (I read your reply to Doug Wilson), I, for one, would like to know some more about it. Thanks, Joe
  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,093 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by givette
    quote:Originally posted by Alpine
    Don't give a damm about Maryland laws. Mine is a federal CCW and ALL CCWs should have reciprocity just like a driver's license.

    By the way, just have enough common sense to be aware of where you are at. And what to answer when asked the question.


    So, would you please tell us a little about [item in blue]? Although I don't qualify (I read your reply to Doug Wilson), I, for one, would like to know some more about it. Thanks, Joe


    Here is a link:
    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:H.R.218:
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
  • drobsdrobs Member Posts: 22,611 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dano
    Never fails to amaze me, that if you are carrying a firearm(s) in your vehicle (legally or illegally) why would you advertise that and leave loose ammo, holsters, magazines, (loaded or unloaded), etc., in plain view for anyone to see?

    Not just in case you get stopped by the poooolice, but also in parking lots where certain individuals cruise by on foot, just to check out and see what's in cars.


    This is another reason, I don't put any gun related or NRA related stickers on my cars. They scream out to anyone and everyone that there is a gun in my car.
  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    NEVER, EVER, GIVE CONSENT FOR YOUR VEHICLE TO BE SEARCHED.
    Even if you have no contraband. If you have to sit an hour, so be it. If dogs get called or nothing is found, so much the better. Barney will look like an idiot for it. Maybe the next guy will get a pass instead of a hassle.
  • Laredo LeftyLaredo Lefty Member Posts: 13,451 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I once stopped a guy for drag racing. When he opened his glove box to get his registration out came a loaded handgun.

    If he had half a brain he would have hidden it under his seat.
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