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Proof, cops will follow any order

Survivalist86Survivalist86 Member Posts: 3,105
edited May 2009 in General Discussion
Watching cops at Notre Dame roughing up an 80 year old Catholic Priest for saying the Rosary at Notre Dame.

But, I guess they were just following orders. This scares me more then the gun grabbers.

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  • Laredo LeftyLaredo Lefty Member Posts: 13,451 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I saw that footage. Never saw any "roughing up". They arrested him for an unlawful assembly, its not illegal to say the rosary.

    The officer behind him was supporting him with his legs so he would have something to lean on. Oh yeh, priests are not immune to arrest.
  • eastbankeastbank Member Posts: 4,052 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i,d rather see a priest arrested for tresspass than what most are arrested for(molestion). eastbank.
  • Rebel_JamesRebel_James Member Posts: 4,746
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86
    Watching cops at Notre Dame roughing up an 80 year old Catholic Priest for saying the Rosary at Notre Dame.

    But, I guess they were just following orders. This scares me more then the gun grabbers.


    He was arrested for unlawful assembly, NOT for saying the Rosary.

    Where was he 'roughed up?' In fact, when he 'collapsed' no police officer was even touching him and a police officer was first to come to his aid and support him from his fall.

    Note to OP:

    When you post something misleading, check first for the video that may show it!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiz4tfjSuPc
    .
  • westkybandedwestkybanded Member Posts: 259 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The only thing I saw wrong with it was them cuffing him behind his back. That's uncalled for. He posed no threat to anyone.

    I will say that they did show extraordinary care with him by taking him out on a stretcher. Most times protesters are simply drug away by their hair.
  • scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by westkybanded
    The only thing I saw wrong with it was them cuffing him behind his back. That's uncalled for. He posed no threat to anyone.

    I will say that they did show extraordinary care with him by taking him out on a stretcher. Most times protesters are simply drug away by their hair.


    I think that is policy, everyone gets cuffed behind their backs. Smart safe and fair IMO
  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,093 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86
    Watching cops at Notre Dame roughing up an 80 year old Catholic Priest for saying the Rosary at Notre Dame.

    But, I guess they were just following orders. This scares me more then the gun grabbers.


    Proof of what? The only thing proved here is that you are a liar, and will say anything to support your agenda. Go away, we don't need your crap here.
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
  • westkybandedwestkybanded Member Posts: 259 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    [/quote]
    I think that is policy, everyone gets cuffed behind their backs. Smart safe and fair IMO
    [/quote]

    Oh come on... Really?

    It's uncomfortable, and unnecessary.

    See, that's what's wrong with LE. Policy is policy and any deviation from that makes you as bad as a normal citizen who should be tazered for farting.
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by westkybanded
    Oh come on... Really?

    It's uncomfortable, and unnecessary.

    See, that's what's wrong with LE. Policy is policy and any deviation from that makes you as bad as a normal citizen who should be tazered for farting.
    The reason it is policy is in the past some cops saw it was uncalled for and unnecessary so didn't do it, and died for their kindness.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • joker5656joker5656 Member Posts: 5,598 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    i didn't see any roughing up. I do want to know why they tagged him like a deer though? never seen that before.
  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Besides safety, if one person is cuffed behind their back but someone else is cuffed in front they could * that they were treated unfairly due to race, sex, religion, etc.

    Everyone has to be treated the same.

    Plain old common sense isn't allowed when walking around in lawyer-land.
  • HobbyGuyHobbyGuy Member Posts: 1,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Alpine
    quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86
    Watching cops at Notre Dame roughing up an 80 year old Catholic Priest for saying the Rosary at Notre Dame.

    But, I guess they were just following orders. This scares me more then the gun grabbers.


    Proof of what? The only thing proved here is that you are a liar, and will say anything to support your agenda. Go away, we don't need your crap here.


    Agreed. [^]

    Jim
  • pipe7pipe7 Member Posts: 911 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Alpine
    quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86
    Watching cops at Notre Dame roughing up an 80 year old Catholic Priest for saying the Rosary at Notre Dame.

    But, I guess they were just following orders. This scares me more then the gun grabbers.


    Proof of what? The only thing proved here is that you are a liar, and will say anything to support your agenda. Go away, we don't need your crap here.

    Very well said!!!! [;)]
  • tapwatertapwater Member Posts: 10,335 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
    quote:Originally posted by westkybanded
    Oh come on... Really?

    It's uncomfortable, and unnecessary.

    See, that's what's wrong with LE. Policy is policy and any deviation from that makes you as bad as a normal citizen who should be tazered for farting.
    The reason it is policy is in the past some cops saw it was uncalled for and unnecessary so didn't do it, and died for their kindness.


    ...The only time I've been cuffed and transported, I was friendly and
    cooperative to the last degree. They cuffed me in front, and I rode
    in the front seat of the squad car. I think the cops' intuition
    was spot on. They knew I was not a threat. These cops didn't know me
    from Adam, but could tell that I was a friendly drunk.
    ...'Course that was about 25 years ago. I'll bet policy has changed.
  • mateomasfeomateomasfeo Member Posts: 27,143
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by pipe7
    quote:Originally posted by Alpine
    quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86
    Watching cops at Notre Dame roughing up an 80 year old Catholic Priest for saying the Rosary at Notre Dame.

    But, I guess they were just following orders. This scares me more then the gun grabbers.


    Proof of what? The only thing proved here is that you are a liar, and will say anything to support your agenda. Go away, we don't need your crap here.

    Very well said!!!! [;)]


    Buh bye!
  • tneff1969tneff1969 Member Posts: 6,682 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Must be that public education at work eh Survivalist, and you support the 2nd Amendment ???
  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,570 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Many Catholics unhappy with B.O. coming to speak at N.D. Mainly because of his position on abortion & stem cell research. A lot of news coverage here in IN.
    It's too late for me, save yourself.
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,981 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just think it was pretty evident that most of the police thought that what they were doing was wrong. I only say this by the look on their faces so I could be wrong. Thing is, if you think what you are dong is wrong, why wouldnt you stop it?
  • hdcolt51hdcolt51 Member Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I didn't see any roughing up. Don't see a thing wrong with being cuffed behind your back. Yes there are a few bad LEO, but one hell of alot more good ones! I wouldn't want their job and they have my total respect for what they do.You need to get real dude.
  • Rebel_JamesRebel_James Member Posts: 4,746
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by kidthatsirish
    I just think it was pretty evident that most of the police thought that what they were doing was wrong. I only say this by the look on their faces so I could be wrong. Thing is, if you think what you are dong is wrong, why wouldnt you stop it?


    Not necessarily true. I've had to arrest people before and because of their age and/or medical condition handled them carefully to keep from injuring them.

    .
  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here Doughnut, her boy
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
  • Survivalist86Survivalist86 Member Posts: 3,105
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by kidthatsirish
    I just think it was pretty evident that most of the police thought that what they were doing was wrong. I only say this by the look on their faces so I could be wrong. Thing is, if you think what you are dong is wrong, why wouldnt you stop it?


    This is the exact point I was trying to make. If the new breed of cop were told to go out on the streets annd shoot every white kid wearing a green shirt, you can bet that many of them would follow orders.

    Support of the second amendment demands support of the other 9. In my opinion. Freedom of Assembly means just that. You will counter stating that Notre Dame is a private school. I would counter by saing that they take Pell Grant money from students.
  • Survivalist86Survivalist86 Member Posts: 3,105
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Alpine
    quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86
    Watching cops at Notre Dame roughing up an 80 year old Catholic Priest for saying the Rosary at Notre Dame.

    But, I guess they were just following orders. This scares me more then the gun grabbers.


    Proof of what? The only thing proved here is that you are a liar, and will say anything to support your agenda. Go away, we don't need your crap here.


    Wow...just a little bitter at something? A couple of recommendations that hear help old timers like you...Prune Juice and Preperation H. My Grandfather used to swear by it. Might improve your crappy attitude...if that does not work, maybe Midol would work. Helps my wife.
  • givettegivette Member Posts: 10,886
    edited November -1
    I didn't see the video of the incident, so I can't comment on it. What I can comment on, is that of those who saw the video, without exception, said your reporting of it was innacurate.

    Shall I watch the video, or drop the issue now?
  • Survivalist86Survivalist86 Member Posts: 3,105
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by givette
    I didn't see the video of the incident, so I can't comment on it. What I can comment on, is that of those who saw the video, without exception, said your reporting of it was innacurate.

    Shall I watch the video, or drop the issue now?


    <shrug> Free country. 1st amendment and all.
  • Tech141Tech141 Member Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "Roughed Up"? Really? You consider THAT as being "Roughed Up"? They arrested him while wearing Kid-Gloves.

    Your OP was Intentionally Misleading.
  • swampgutswampgut Member Posts: 5,555
    edited November -1
    Unlawful assembly?

    What's illegal about assembling?

    I can't believe all those who support punk thugs who, like the OP states, will follow any order given and as such nothing they say or do can be attributed to them.

    You say there are good ones, really? If they do something
    "good" they are just doing what they are told. What's so good about that?

    You sound like the sheep that will give up their guns at the first order.

    And, when that order is issued these simple punks will be the ones that come for you and your guns.

    Why do the best sheep always think they will be spared from the slaughter? After all, they've been such good sheep, right?

    There's nothing worse than a gutless gun owner. Gun grabbing liberals are more dangerous than you.
  • Survivalist86Survivalist86 Member Posts: 3,105
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by swampgut
    Unlawful assembly?

    What's illegal about assembling?

    I can't believe all those who support punk thugs who, like the OP states, will follow any order given and as such nothing they say or do can be attributed to them.

    You say there are good ones, really? If they do something
    "good" they are just doing what they are told. What's so good about that?

    You sound like the sheep that will give up their guns at the first order.

    And, when that order is issued these simple punks will be the ones that come for you and your guns.

    Why do the best sheep always think they will be spared from the slaughter? After all, they've been such good sheep, right?

    There's nothing worse than a gutless gun owner. Gun grabbing liberals are more dangerous than you.


    Bravo!!!!!!!!!!11
  • Laredo LeftyLaredo Lefty Member Posts: 13,451 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by westkybanded
    The only thing I saw wrong with it was them cuffing him behind his back. That's uncalled for. He posed no threat to anyone.


    Every police agency I know of here in So Cal has dept policy that requires handcuffing "every" arrestee behind the back. It does not matter how nice of a person they are. The police academy where I teach also teaches that method.
  • Survivalist86Survivalist86 Member Posts: 3,105
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Laredo Lefty
    quote:Originally posted by westkybanded
    The only thing I saw wrong with it was them cuffing him behind his back. That's uncalled for. He posed no threat to anyone.


    Every police agency I know of here in So Cal has dept policy that requires handcuffing "every" arrestee behind the back. It does not matter how nice of a person they are. The police academy where I teach also teaches that method.


    Yeah...those violent 80 year old priests need it. Course, from what I have seen from the doughnut eating crowd, he may be.
  • Laredo LeftyLaredo Lefty Member Posts: 13,451 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by swampgut
    Unlawful assembly?

    What's illegal about assembling?

    I can't believe all those who support punk thugs who, like the OP states, will follow any order given and as such nothing they say or do can be attributed to them.


    When people block sidewalks, doorways, building entrances etc for purposes of demonstrations it can be and usually is deemed to be an unlawful assembly. If you dont like it, tough, thats the law.

    The demonstrators are then advised that their presense constitutes an "unlawful assembly". They are given the opportunity to leave and if they choose to stay they get arrested. Agencies routinely video these incidents for presentation in court.

    Thats how assembling can be illegal.
  • Laredo LeftyLaredo Lefty Member Posts: 13,451 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86
    quote:Originally posted by Laredo Lefty
    quote:Originally posted by westkybanded
    The only thing I saw wrong with it was them cuffing him behind his back. That's uncalled for. He posed no threat to anyone.


    Every police agency I know of here in So Cal has dept policy that requires handcuffing "every" arrestee behind the back. It does not matter how nice of a person they are. The police academy where I teach also teaches that method.


    Yeah...those violent 80 year old priests need it. Course, from what I have seen from the doughnut eating crowd, he may be.


    Looks like you may have a comprehension problem. Age, disposition and line of work have nothing to do with whether or not you get cuffed during an arrest. What part of "everyone arrested gets cuffed behind the back" dont you understand?

    Doughnut jokes are so original.... come on, you can do better than that.
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