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Statewide system to ensure abusers surrender guns

Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
edited June 2002 in General Discussion
Statewide system to ensure abusers surrender guns
June 18, 2002
Associated Press

HARTFORD, Conn. -- Laws that allow police to confiscate guns in cases of domestic violence will be better enforced with the help of a new centralized computer system, the state's victim advocate said Monday.

In a 40-page investigative report, James F. Papillo also criticizes Shelton Police for not taking guns last year from a man accused of harassing, stalking and threatening his ex-girlfriend, who had a restraining order against him.

Anthony Iannone had permits for eight handguns and was eventually arrested in January after he left a loaded .38-caliber handgun on top of a fire call box near the woman's home.

Papillo said some police departments are not aware that subjects of restraining orders must surrender their handguns in two business days.

The apparent confusion has been evident in several high profile deaths, Papillo said, including the fatal shooting of pregnant mother Jenny McMechen on New Year's Eve in Plainfield. Police say she had several restraining orders against her estranged boyfriend, who is accused of killing her. The fetus did not survive.

"There's a great need for comprehensive reform to effectively remedy this problem," Papillo said. "These laws have not been adequately enforced."

State police have spent the past eight months working with local police chiefs on a new system that provides up-to-the-minute information about abusers and their access to handguns. They are adding different cities to the program over time.

Sgt. J. Paul Vance, a state police spokesman, said the "piecemeal" procedures used recently have not worked adequately. He said the Department of Public Safety has not received copies of restraining orders in a timely fashion.

Under the new program, the state will receive that information immediately and then have the ability to look up whether the subject of a restraining order has any gun permits. Local police would have access to that information and know whether guns should be removed.

If local departments do not have manpower to confiscate handguns, they could ask the state police for help taking the weapons, Vance said.

"This is a system of working together and backing each other up," Vance said. "Our goal is to ensure that court orders are abided by."

This year, the General Assembly passed legislation that creates a criminal penalty for those who violate restraining orders. The law also boosts the penalty for violating a protective order, which is issued by a judge following a crime.

Sen. Donald E. Williams, D-Killingly, who has worked with McMechen's family to pass the legislation, said the new computerized system is needed to enforce the tougher law.

"We don't need sweeping legislative changes to make this work," Williams said. "We need to enforce the laws already written."http://www.ctnow.com/news/local/statewire/hc-18010437.apds.m0719.bc-ct--gunsjun18.story?coll=hc-headlines-local-wire



"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878

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  • gunpaqgunpaq Member Posts: 4,607 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Great idea to take guns away from guys who beat women if they are, in fact, abusers. They should also make it a felony for the jilted women to file an unfounded report.

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  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    Gun permit? What is a gun permit? Do you have to have a gun permit to own a gun? I thought that the government couldn't keep records on gun purchases legaly. Are they talking about concealed carry permits? If so, what about the people who own guns but dont carry concealed? I know too many women who would use this as a way to get even with their spouses in a divorce situation. I believe it should be an offense that had to be proven before the persons gun/guns could be confiscated and any person found guilty of slander should be forced to pay some kind of restitution to the innocent spouse. Also, when a domestic violence complaint is filed and its one persons word against another why would they believe one person over another? I have seen women who would self inflict wounds to get even with a guy who had gilted them. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

    When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    Gun permit? What is a gun permit? Do you have to have a gun permit to own a gun? I thought that the government couldn't keep records on gun purchases legaly. Are they talking about concealed carry permits? If so, what about the people who own guns but dont carry concealed? I know too many women who would use this as a way to get even with their spouses in a divorce situation. I believe it should be an offense that had to be proven before the persons gun/guns could be confiscated and any person found guilty of slander should be forced to pay some kind of restitution to the innocent spouse. Also, when a domestic violence complaint is filed and its one persons word against another why would they believe one person over another? I have seen women who would self inflict wounds to get even with a guy who had jilted them. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

    When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,092 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I want to break this to you gently.
    Each and every firearm sold in the USA has been recorded and filed with the DOJ. You can track each and every transfer of a particular firearm in their records computer, or search for guns reqistered to a person.
    This is why the private party transfers have been recently required to go through a FFL dealer so the DOJ can record the transfer into their records.

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  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    Old news Alpine, they've been doing it for years, but it is still illegal and if you were able to get them into court and they confessed to using that information to indict someone the evidense would be thrown out as inadmisable. They would not confess the existance of their nation wide gun registration though because they were already chastised under the cartoon administration for compiling gun owner information in Pa. They have detailed computer programs that show maps to your front door and list the firearms that they know you posess.

    When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,092 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    They don't need to complie it in PA. Information already exists in DOJ's 'puter. I have used the data base several times to gather information prior to ........... well I said enough. Investigative tools are not are not discoverable.

    "If you ain't got pictures, I wasn't there."
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In NY you need a permit to own or a permit to possess (CCW) handguns. Each handgun must come into the state via an FFL-holder and each gun must be listed on your permit by make/model/caliber/serial# along with the address of where you live which is where it MUST be stored. You can't keep your hanguns at a buddy's house even if he has a permit because your handguns are not listed on his permit. Registration already exists.
  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    A lot of unnecessary crap goes on in breakups and divorces, and I don't have any sympathy for people who lie and make up serious offenses like child abuse or drug activity just to "get back at" an ex or keep them from getting proper visitation. I have even less sympathy for an ex crazy enough to stalk another human being with a gun and a fevered brain because he (or she) can't deal with being dumped. This is a tough call for me. I just hope they enforce this fairly. I'm one of those who feels Betty Broderick is right where she belongs, and I have no more sympathy for the men who shoot their exes either. Stealing a kid you don't have custody of is right up there with these other crimes in my book, too, by the way. Nothing justifies criminal behavior (including false testimony), and I say catch them all and throw away the key.

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    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
  • gunphreakgunphreak Member Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm with Gunpaq. Too many whores out there that would file false reports on someone to get even. Make it a felony, I say!!!

    Death to Tyrants!!!

    -Gunphreak
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