Amish Men Sent to Jail in KY Buggy Fight

Sturmgewehr

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fishkiller41

I have to display my plate,and my brake lights have to work.They have to have some warning that a slow moving buggy is on the road.
The buggies are all black,how am I to see one at night?

spasmcreek

they get smacked at night ...you can see the little crosses roadside...never did understand this cross on the roadside bit ...seems like spamish catholic venue..we have cemetaries here for memorializing the departed...drive by roadside stuff(some gets rather fancy) that kdot has to mow around and see every day where ----got stupid trying to cross traffic after dark with black horse, black buggy, black clothes, flashlight, & smv sign on back

Tflogger

KY buggy sounds just wrong![xx(]

wallie

About 6 months ago my dancing partner hit a Amish buggy 2 am in the morning.

The police were called and she had to take a DUI test

She said she didn't drink but she smelled like a beer garden.

She passed, and the Officer said this is a new one on me. I was sure u were under the influence. The way u were shaking, crying and smelling.

She told him she was very upset because she lived near that school where the Amish children shooting took place a couple of years go. And for the alcohol smell, she said my dance partner drinks and I was dancing with him all night.

It all came to light when the Amish boy said the horse got spooked and up-set the buggy dragging it on to the road disabling the battery connections to the plinking lights.

jjmitchell60

I live here in KY around the amish and they are excellent people. Now the ones who are not putting anything on their buggies are a more "strict" sect so do not lump all amish into the pot. With that said we now allow ulsil men to wear what they are required to as to military dress, we allow arab women to be forced to live under strict arabic law, we respect the rights of otehr religios sects, yet we want to draw the line at this sect of amish and buggies? Lets not forget who has been here in this country longer, arabs or amish!!!!! I fully under stand the problems with the buggies not being eitehr lit or having some type of warning but I also wonder if we can bend over backwards to respect the rights of some camel jockey living her in the US BUT not a US citzens BUT draw welfare and more tax payer freebies and NOT respect the rights of the amish who ARE US citzens and NEVER draw any welfare or tax payer freebies. The Amish do not even draw SSA YET they do spend a LOT of money in communities here in the US take care of their own with NO outside help, and every dolar they make is spent/stays in the US where as the Camel Jockeys and illegals send most of what they make (IF ANY) to the country they came from and they get free health care, draw SSA even though none paid in, and etc. Just seems we need to think a little more on what is right and what is NOT before we begin running down the amish for refusing to put something on their buggies due to being against religous beliefs! Seems upside down or backwards to me!

remingtonoaks

It's o.k. that one has religious beliefs forbidding reflector triangles on their buggies... But that doesn't give them the right to disregard the law... If you won't adhere to the law that says you need to have them because of your religion, then walk is all I can say. Problem solved. The law is placed there to protect not only them, but other too.. Before anyone frags me here. I'll tell them that a lot of pioneers walked across the U.S. to get to where they were going, so it can and has been done

Spider7115

quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
It's o.k. that one has religious beliefs forbidding reflector triangles on their buggies... But that doesn't give them the right to disregard the law... If you won't adhere to the law that says you need to have them because of your religion, then walk is all I can say. Problem solved. The law is placed there to protect not only them, but other too.. Before anyone frags me here. I'll tell them that a lot of pioneers walked across the U.S. to get to where they were going, so it can and has been done

When I was in Lancaster, Pa. last summer, all of the Amish buggies had orange triangle reflectors on them.

wallie

quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
It's o.k. that one has religious beliefs forbidding reflector triangles on their buggies... But that doesn't give them the right to disregard the law... If you won't adhere to the law that says you need to have them because of your religion, then walk is all I can say. Problem solved. The law is placed there to protect not only them, but other too.. Before anyone frags me here. I'll tell them that a lot of pioneers walked across the U.S. to get to where they were going, so it can and has been done

When I was in Lancaster, Pa. last summer, all of the Amish buggies had orange triangle reflectors on them.



Yah they do
If I would have had a dead battery near them I would of have had 50 horses and 50 battery buggy jumpers there to help me.

eastbank

here too they must have lights and markers on their buggies and still there are buggy car wreckes.and the amish do use the welefare system here in pa. they have access cards( modern food stamps) and use them,i have seen it. they have phones and cell phones and other modern applianes, only they hide them from each other and look the other way. their horses bababooey all over the place and the iron horse shoes chew up the roads some thing allful,they will ride in your car and will watch tv if given the chance. when i was in the service they were 1W(non combat),but drank and went to the whore houses just like the english. so i don,t see that by haveing to put safety signs on their buggies is being to worldly. every thing i say here is the truth as i have seen it in living amoung them for 68 years. eastbank.

jltrent

If you hit one of them as they have the right of way you are looking at least 20 years in the pen for man slaughter. Several families around me and the roads are posted everywhere to watch out for their buggies. Some have reflectors and some don't. I have seen them out past dark without anything on their buggies. A lot of blind curves around here also. Last year I worked 3rd shift a few nights and coming home I was about half asleep and came around a blind curve and boy am I glad I saw them out of the corner of my eyes. It scared the chit out of me. They will run their tractors on the road all day long yet want get a vehicle

KEVD18

no sympathy. either use the triangles, ride the horses without the carriage, or walk.

i personally say we give no quarter to any religious conflicts with our laws. we are a country of laws. if you want to live here, obey they, suffer the consequences, or leave and go to a country where your religion rules over law.

Spider7115

I just missed hitting one when I drove through at night but I'll get him next time. [:D]

TooBig

They need to have the signs on or who ever hits one should be able to sue them.

Waco Waltz

Mount an oil lamp on the back protected from the wind. Problem solved. A night in jail over traffic infractions? Get a life.

GuvamintCheese

I just about hit one the other day. Fortunatly, I got close enough for my wife to door them.

Spider7115

quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
Mouth an oil lamp on the back protected from the wind. Problem solved. A night in jail over traffic infractions? Get a life.

They carry oil lamps in their mouth? [:0]

remingtonoaks

quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
It's o.k. that one has religious beliefs forbidding reflector triangles on their buggies... But that doesn't give them the right to disregard the law... If you won't adhere to the law that says you need to have them because of your religion, then walk is all I can say. Problem solved. The law is placed there to protect not only them, but other too.. Before anyone frags me here. I'll tell them that a lot of pioneers walked across the U.S. to get to where they were going, so it can and has been done

When I was in Lancaster, Pa. last summer, all of the Amish buggies had orange triangle reflectors on them.


I wasn't talking about all Amish people, just the ones this post is talking about that have religious beliefs that dictate that the triangles are to flashy and should not be used

Waco Waltz

quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
Mount an oil lamp on the back protected from the wind. Problem solved. A night in jail over traffic infractions? Get a life.

They carry oil lamps in their mouth? [:0]


What? [?][?][:D]

jjmitchell60

I would say the oil lamp idea would be something worth exploring and wonder IF they have even thought of that as to the authorities OR the that p[articular Amish sect. As to suing appliances. cell phones and etc,; I think you wi;l find (or at least here in KY from the ones I have seen) that they are menonites rather than Amish that use the modern items. I have been in some amish homes in this area and they do not have modern appliances not do the even have elctric running to the house! I will say this for them and it is funny, my uncle would drive them around for pay. That was how they would get to otehr states and such but my uncle did tell me if it was a group of amish men going some where, the very first stop was at the liquer store. He said they sure could put the alcohol away and did not mind spending the money for beer and hard liquer!!!! As to food satmps and such, not the ones here in this area of KY! I have a friend an dhis wife who work for the zDept. of Family services and they both have said that there has never been any amish of the ones here on teh roles for ANY tax payeer hand outs through that office an dthat is where food stamps, welfare, and other entitlements are done at.

Yes some do use triang;les, some use electric lights but tat one sect does not believe in it at all so IMHO the oil lamp idea might be something that should be suggested to them. Much like the old red rail road lanterns!

HappyNanoq

Well, does their belief tell them to use modern asphalt roads?

No.?? Then why do they do it.?

Then they should stay off them - if they want to use the roads, they will need to take proper precautions and observe the rules of the road, sort of speak.




In Denmark we have reflex-triangles on the tractors that are made to be folded (Reflex part is not seen) when on the field, or while working near a road.

And Unfolded when on the road.


If they used such a system, it could easily be folded whenever they were on their own turf.
And Unfolded (reflex visible) whenever they are on the road.

jjmitchell60

We use them too Peter. I have them on my wagons and tractors. This sect of Amish hold to the teaching of not calling attention to themselves thus the "bright" color of the triangle is their objection. You did touch on something I did not concider or think of and I know many others did not either. In all fairness they actually should NOT be using tax payer maintained roads being they actually pay NO road taxes at all. They pay NO property taxes at all being the farms are owned by the church or sect rather than individuals and are tax exempt under religous excemptions. So as to the arguement of they should ne be made to put a triangle on the buggies, yall have convinced me that they actually should not even be on the tax payer maintained roads being no taxes paid at all. It is a touchy situation in that part of KY for sure because I know there have been fatalities of amish kids and adults as a result of accidents at night. I still say though, jail is not the answer but one must be found. The amish that have moved into our area do use battery operatd lights, reflector triangles, and rubber tired wheels. Those oin the part of KY this is happening though are a more strict sect and of all the amish I have seen, probably the most strict sectI have heard of.

HappyNanoq

Yup, that's exactly what I mean.

Not using modern appliances, electricity or other convenience gadgets... That is offcourse something that people can choose for themselves, and they can call it "religion" or whatever.
But they really should follow it through.

I know they might not be able to avoid the roads, but when using them... they should still observe the rules and follow them.


I for instance is probably 20% Christian, 30% Atheist and 50% into the Norse Gods.

My religion doesn't tell me not to drive 180mph - but I don't do that, simply because there's rules. =o)

Give some - get some.