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New York Police Warn Against Jewish Vigilante Patrols
June 10, 2002 - Agence France-Presse
NEW YORK, June 10 (AFP) - New York police Monday warned Jewish activists here that they risked arrest if they went ahead with plans to set up armed patrols to guard against possible terrorist attacks.
The conservative Jewish Defence Group (JDG) had announced at the weekend the creation of 50-strong armed patrols in the Borough Park and Flatbush areas of Brooklyn, which have large Jewish communities.
JDG founder and president, Rabbi Yakov Lloyd, said the move was a response to recent news reports that terrorists who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993 had originally targetted both neighbourhoods.
Lloyd said the night-time patrols would start operating from June 16, but the New York police department warned that the initiative could be illegal.
"If these individuals go on the streets with firearms they will be arrested, " said police spokesman Mike Wysokowski.
While US gun laws allow widespread gun ownership, there are severe restrictions in New York state on carrying concealed, loaded weapons in public.
However, Lloyd said the patrols would keep inside the law by ensuring that those members with gun licenses carried shotguns in locked cases. Other members of the patrol would be armed with baseball bats.
He also cited the precedent of similar patrols that operated in New York after the murder of a Jewish student in the late 1980s and a series of arson attacks on synagogues in the mid-1990s.
Lloyd, an ordained orthodox rabbi, founded the JDG in 1985 "to combat anti-Semitism and defend Jews."
A founding principle of the group is that Jews "owe no apologies for our existence, that the world owes us more than it can ever repay, though we ask nothing of it but the right to live as free people."
The threat against the Jewish community here was revealed in a recent interview given to a US television network by Abdul Rahman Yasmin, who is wanted by the FBI in connection with the 1993 World Trade center bombing.
Yasin, currently in Iraq, said he and his accomplices had originally planned to attack Jewish neighbourhoods in Brooklyn.
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"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
June 10, 2002 - Agence France-Presse
NEW YORK, June 10 (AFP) - New York police Monday warned Jewish activists here that they risked arrest if they went ahead with plans to set up armed patrols to guard against possible terrorist attacks.
The conservative Jewish Defence Group (JDG) had announced at the weekend the creation of 50-strong armed patrols in the Borough Park and Flatbush areas of Brooklyn, which have large Jewish communities.
JDG founder and president, Rabbi Yakov Lloyd, said the move was a response to recent news reports that terrorists who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993 had originally targetted both neighbourhoods.
Lloyd said the night-time patrols would start operating from June 16, but the New York police department warned that the initiative could be illegal.
"If these individuals go on the streets with firearms they will be arrested, " said police spokesman Mike Wysokowski.
While US gun laws allow widespread gun ownership, there are severe restrictions in New York state on carrying concealed, loaded weapons in public.
However, Lloyd said the patrols would keep inside the law by ensuring that those members with gun licenses carried shotguns in locked cases. Other members of the patrol would be armed with baseball bats.
He also cited the precedent of similar patrols that operated in New York after the murder of a Jewish student in the late 1980s and a series of arson attacks on synagogues in the mid-1990s.
Lloyd, an ordained orthodox rabbi, founded the JDG in 1985 "to combat anti-Semitism and defend Jews."
A founding principle of the group is that Jews "owe no apologies for our existence, that the world owes us more than it can ever repay, though we ask nothing of it but the right to live as free people."
The threat against the Jewish community here was revealed in a recent interview given to a US television network by Abdul Rahman Yasmin, who is wanted by the FBI in connection with the 1993 World Trade center bombing.
Yasin, currently in Iraq, said he and his accomplices had originally planned to attack Jewish neighbourhoods in Brooklyn.
http://www.wptf.com/cgi-bin/frame.pl?s=wptfam&u=http://screaming.ntunes.com/showarticle.asp?id=34091&site=wptfam
"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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TED SHAFFREY
Associated Press Writer
NEW YORK (AP) - A rabbi says civilians armed with shotguns will begin patrolling heavily Jewish neighborhoods this month because a suspected terrorist said Muslim extremists once planned attacks on New York Jews.
The patrols, to begin June 16, are in response to the comments that Abdul Rahman Yasin made during an interview on CBS' "60 Minutes" on June 2, said Rabbi Yakove Lloyd, founder and president of the right-wing Jewish Defense Group.
Lloyd said the nightly patrols would include 50 to 200 people of different religious faiths, mainly Jews, carrying shotguns in bags, along with people licensed to own and carry other types of firearms.
It is illegal to carry an exposed shotgun on city streets, Police Department spokeswoman Valerie St. Rose said. She said it was unclear whether carrying one in a bag is illegal.
"We'll monitor the (patrols), and if there needs to be police action taken, it will be taken," she said.
Yasin, who is sought by the FBI for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, said from Iraq that he and his accomplices originally targeted heavily Jewish neighborhoods in Brooklyn.
Yasin said they later decided to attack the Trade Center towers because they believed most of their occupants were Jewish. The 1993 bombing killed six people and injured more than 1,000.
The Jewish Defense Group was founded by Lloyd in 1985. In January, its chairman and a member were charged with conspiring to blow up a mosque and the office of an Arab-American congressman in California. Both pleaded innocent. http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/nation/3435402.htm
"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
Citizens armed with shotguns plan to patrol the streets of the heavily Jewish Brooklyn neighborhoods because of comments a suspected terrorist made about targeting them, a rabbi said.
The patrols, to begin June 16, are in response to comments Abdul Rahman Yasin made during an interview on CBS television's "60 Minutes" on June 2, said Rabbi Yakove Lloyd, founder and president of the right-wing Jewish Defense Group.
Yasin, who is sought by the FBI in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, said in an interview from a compound in Iraq that he and his accomplices originally targeted heavily Jewish neighborhoods in Brooklyn.
They later decided to attack the twin towers because they believed most of their occupants were Jewish, Yasin said. Six people were killed and more than 1,000 were injured in the 1993 bombing.
The largest segment of the population in the Borough Park and southern Flatbush neighborhoods is Hassidic and Orthodox Jews. There are 290 synagogues in the area.
Lloyd said the street patrols would include 50 to 200 people of various religious faiths, mainly Jews, carrying shotguns in bags, along with people licensed to own and carry other types of firearms. Others will carry bats, pipes, cell phones and walkie-talkies and will patrol the streets daily from 9 p.m. until 3 a.m. except Friday, the Jewish Sabbath.
"This will be a very effective deterrent against
terrorism directed at American Jews and other targets," Lloyd said.
The rabbi criticized the police department for not
adequately protecting the neighborhoods and said, "the only people who will view us as vigilantes already look at us that way anyway."
It is illegal to carry an exposed shotgun on city streets, New York Police Department spokeswoman Valerie St. Rose said. She said it was unclear whether carrying one in a bag is illegal.
"We'll monitor the (patrols), and if there needs to bepolice action taken, it will be taken," said St.
Rose, who declined to say how many officers routinely patrol the neighborhoods.
A community leader from Williamsburg, another heavily Jewish neighborhood in Brooklyn, said he opposes the armed patrols.
"The Jewish community condemns such a thing. We don't need it. We can't have civilians running around with guns.
It's going to look like Beirut here," said Isaac Abraham.
The Jewish Defense Group is "a group of men and women who are proud to be Jews" and are committed to defending, demonstrating and rallying for Jewish causes and against anti-Semitism, according to its Web site.
The JDG, founded by Lloyd in Queens in 1985, says it follows the principles of the late Rabbi Meir Kahane, founder of the Jewish Defense League.
In January, JDL chairman Irv Rubin and a group member were charged with conspiring to blow up a mosque and the office of an Arab-American congressman in California. Rubin and his co-defendant, Earl Krugel, pleaded innocent and are scheduled to go on trial October 1.
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"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Not hardly. Check this out:
http://www.jpfo.org/index.htm
They're just trying to do what they can do within the limits of the law in NYC. I agree that it's not ideal, but what choice do they have?
That article wants to make it an issue about Jews in general. That's ridiculous, insulting, and should not be tolerated.
Some people might not care for Jews on the whole, but I've never seen a Jew drive a van full of C4 and nails into a daycare center.
and it would not be to sit back and waite for it without a bit of
preparedness. A good defence can make lot of difference, and a shotgun is a good defence. However, a rifle by the window also
helps and possibly more legal, specially in the city like "The
Rotten Apple".
(Somebody stop and get a case of "Tall Boys" I've got some chips,)
I guess we know who's side he's on!