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"Takeing out Saddam" will only make the problem greater. He has two crazy sons that are worse than him. If you don't get them all there will be hell to pay.
What I can't understand is why the first time an inspector was told he couldn't go somewhere we didn't just bomb the place he couldn't go, and the same thing everytime after that. (Another BIG boo-boo of George the First.)
What we need to do now is bomb the places we know about & keep doing so until he lets the inspectors back in.
We bomb his radar sites & anti-aircraft sites now & this would only be an escalation of current action & not a whole new war.
You might have the action right but I don't agree with the targets. As for what the US does for now, I probably think nothing. A rational person wouldn't hit Israel but I think that might happen. If it does then we don't get to fire a shot - just I have said here before when the scuds were flying. If he would have hit a large city and killed a few thousand, we never would have fired that first M16. Yes, Comp, if OBL wants to go it again, we might have a problem here. Personally, I think the next targets will be US interests outside of the states. As for SH, he has a real har* on for Israel and that might just be his undoing.
Yeah I think Israel would make short work out of a lot of its neighbors if allowed. I remember during the Gulf War we had to beg them not to get involved. I wouldn't like to see Israel unleashed.
"What we need to do now is bomb the places we know about & keep doing so until he lets the inspectors back in".
I think that's what will happen, at first.
Our air power is absolutely awesome, and if you bomb them enough - a cleanup sweep is much easier, just like Afghanistan. I predict that our ground troops will use the technique of securing the area one building at a time, blow holes in the walls to make their entry and blow holes in the other walls to make their exit to the next one. That eliminates sniper fire and booby trapped windows and doors. I've heard of a plan to simply encircle areas with barbed wire, etc. and fire on them --- let the civilians out that want to go to the refugee camps, and imprision the soldiers that want to leave.
If it's like last time, we'll have more prisoners than they have soldiers.
After that's all done, load them up and take them to Greenland, and let the passivites of this world deal with reality.
Good point Don. We need to remember that the whole country isn't in step with SH. Without the guard he is like Hitler without the SS. Doing this without massive civ. deaths is the problem.
Maybe we should pull all our military guys and gals home, kick out the UN,cut off all foreign aid (except for our friends in Israel) and wait for the next attack so we can defend ourselves on a permanent basis. Nothing like setting a good example.
saddamwas spawned long before he was a dull gleam in his donkey or camel fathers eyes when a dumb little habberdasher suceeded FDR in the presidency. After putting a desisive end to the last war ever fought WWII we piddled instead of fought with resolve in korea and out of fear of a backward country china back then we chose to lose the first war America ever lost. wars you either win or lose there is no inbetween. In the gulf war the same thing happened when the extreme south end of the colon powel convinced Bush And gen.swartskov that we had gone far enough, an to back off for saddam had learned his lesson, just think if they had told him to go to hell and finished the job how it would played on the world stage. some might have even thought that America was America once again. could possibily have prevented the terror strikes of 9-11-01. for sure saddam would have been in hell causings problems for satan, not the U.S.When will our great nation learn what we once knew at one time and not start anything we don't have the stomach to finish conclusively.
When will our Great Nation learn to finish the job, or else not start it.
Just got a classified briefing today and finally found out why the Pres. has his panties in a bunch over Iraq. All I can say is wow, we thought the former USSR wasn't a threat, what a shock. I can't give out the facts or the NSA pukes will track me through the board but add all this up and see what you get.
-Russia needs oil, cheap they are flat broke-economy sux
-China is booming bigger and faster than the U.S. ever will and the world has most of it's stuff made over there- their economy is going to be the best in the world...soon after they get an oil supplier
-Iraq is a country with lot's of oil and nothing to do with it, they need weapons and a little bit of food
-2 plus one equals three countries with mutual interests
- What would happen if China and Russia and even North Korea gave Saddam the capability to eliminate U.S. forces in the Gulf?
-What would it take to elimate an Aircraft Carrier, the backbone of U.S. presence in the Gulf?
NOT MUCH! This battle could be over in minutes with the U.S. losing all assets in the middle east, the Patriot Missile batteries will get the first wave but when they are gone...they are gone.
This concludes todays briefing.
Dude russia has lot's of oil we(oil companies) are sending people over there each month(started about 3 years ago) to work and get the oil and gas outta the ground..I don't follow your NSA thingy that's kinda funny to me...China has long had it's own oil..But i guess we're just drilling and producing oil and gas over there for nothing...
If we lived in a perfect world you would not be here
NRA MEMBER
The biggest threat to the U.S. is still Russia. The bear is only sleeping. Russia and China will never be allied in any fashion, so China, as despicable as it is, is our main protection against Russia, hell, they share a border, fer cryin' out loud!!
China needs the U/S. badly, as all the stuff that's being made over there is coming here. They know damn well that we have more oil than they do, excepting the stuff that they are too dumb to find.
Oil goes this way, currently, as far as known quantities under the soil:
1. Russia
2. The United States
3. the Mideast
4. Argentina
5. China
Apparently, only Russia has figured out that, even though we could exist for at least a century on only American oil, we are going to use theirs up first, and then they'll be buying from us. Duh!!!!!! C'mon, folks, it's grade-school stuff, here!!
Worry about Russia, yes. But they are not stupid. They may sell their missiles, but neither they, nor China, will launch from their own countries, as our subs would toast them lifeless before their ground-launched missiles even left the atmosphere and they know that.
Nitrouz, if you really were in any capacity to receive "security briefings", then the fact that Russia is still our main enemy would not surprize you in the least, you would have already known that, so you're BS'ing heavily, not to mention that you don't even have the faintest grasp of foreign affairs, politically or militarily.
Nanoq, I welcome your views, but nobody here "wants war." It has been declared upon us, and we WILL respond to that. And America does NOT stand (yet) for any socialist ideals. It stands for one thing. Individual Liberty. That's why the "majority", however conjured up in the heads of the media, still cannot remove an individual's rights, unless that individual violates the rights of another individual. You can feel awfully safe by not having weapons of mass destruction, you can sleep well at night knowing that the rest of the world does not envy, and therefore, hate you. So can a chick in a nest. The United States grew up learned to fly.
Pel, good luck with that flag!!
Someday, Pel, me and the missus are comin' down! Can I steer??
(oops, sorry about that starboard scrape, didn't see the pier!!)
I had my security briefing this morning and I hear we want Iraq in order to capture the saucer that crash-landed there and the occupants which are currently being autopsied and studied in rolling labs on the backs of semi trucks. Also? John has a long beard; John has a long beard...
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Nitrouz, you are full of sh**! Stop playing around --- if you had any kind of security clearance it's probably in process of revocation. You're painting with a broad brush and violating OPSEC disciplines. If I was your CO you'd be busted to E-0 and pulling hard labor!
"If you can do it, it ain't braggin'".
JR Ewing - "Dallas"
What distinguishes the "crisis" with Iraq and that with Cuba in 1962 is full disclosure of irrefutable evidence before the world community. I'm afraid that until such confirmatory evidence is presented, all we have brewing is another trumped-up Tokin Gulf incident.
Edited by - DancesWithSheep on 09/15/2002 21:10:49
Did any of you see "on the record with greta" friday i think, it was'nt greta doing the show that nite i think it was rita something?...anyways she interviewed an iraqi woman who escaped iraq she told of things that goes on over there. all i need to mention is she talked about human sized meat grinders and chemical tanks that had chemicals in it that disolved the human body she said she seen it with her own eyes. kinda makes you think that hilter and sadam are twins.
doc
Washington-AP -- American oil companies are reportedly looking ahead at what could be a money-making bonanza should the U-S oust Iraq's Saddam Hussein.
Industry officials tell the Washington Post there could be a major reshuffling in the world petroleum market -- and it would benefit the U-S, while damaging Iraq's deals with other countries such as Russia and France.
Iraq's 112-(b) billion barrels of crude oil reserves represent the second-largest supply in the world, behind Saudi Arabia's.
The importance of Iraq's oil has been used as a strong bargaining chip in the Bush administration's negotiations to win U-N backing for military action against Saddam.
All five permanent members of the U-N's Security Council -- the U-S, Britain, France, Russia, and China -- have international oil companies with huge stakes in the outcome of a war with Iraq
Just when you think your out of the woods,a tree falls on you!
I don't know what branch of the military you're supposedly in, but it sounds to me like you need a wake up call!
I've read where you are supposedly "exempt" from firearms laws, and "when you become President", and now this. I hold an Ultra Clearance and don't appreciate loud mouths that mock our security with their "security briefing babble". And you're right, I'd bet this board is monitored by several company agencies.
Keep it up and your next duty station will be in Leavenworth, and your mos will be "busting rocks" hard time - hard labor.
There is no exemption for your behavior, and "sense of humor" is no excuse.
"If you can do it, it ain't braggin'".
JR Ewing - "Dallas"
Hey OLD SF-ER I guess when you said "I'll use my one time pass on this one." you meant the life of the thread. That's good, cuz I started thinking mebee I too could get some spacial eyes only clearances of sorts......you know, so the nex classyfied breifing I'm in we gets us a reel good ad in that there newspaper.
You got it ! Actually a one time pass is a term used in SF commo.
Jungle Jim is probably right, this is a kid acting out his fantasies,
no soldier with half a brain would divulge a security briefing on a public board!
"If you can do it, it ain't braggin'".
JR Ewing - "Dallas"
If you people think that post was a classified briefing of any sort you need to turn off your computer and come back to Earth. I like to hear views and opinions on matters and if it brought you disgust, I'm sorry-get a life.
The fact is the only country on this planet that needs a regime change is this country. How much longer do you think we can keep extending the national deficit? Your tax dollars haven't even paid for the Civil War yet and ya'll are worried about the Middle East? I think ten years of Isolationism and building a vehicle that will run on something without oil will do more good than worry about anything else. Let Europe do something for a change.
"you people" nitrouz said "you people"! like what, you aren't?? Maybe you was just funnin' but you didn't say so till you was called on it. Slap a little happy face up there next time and all is well. You do make a good point on Europe but that's overshadowed by your thoughts of this country having a regime.
Isolation is a bad thing, controlling the borders is a good thing. Building cars that get a gazillion MPG (or would that be MPK, miles per kilowatt?) is a good thing. But until there is a DEMAND for it, it will not happen. Right now we Americans are burning Dinosaurs at a high rate of speed with our SUV's and love it! And check this out, what if every person over the age of say 20 in China drove a personal (really state owned) car, plus had a refrigerator and other energy dependent appliances, then we might have a Global energy problem (not to mention raw materials). But I'm guessing that before we have a Global energy problem, this ol'world will no longer be spinning around.
In the meantime, and back to the threads subject matter, What do we do with Iraq now that they are willing to allow inspectors in? I suggest suitcase nukes!
YOU were the one who tried to sell us on your phony classified briefing. There are some members here that earned and have high security clearances and don't appreciate tomfoolery when it comes to National Security.
It sounds to me that you are the one that needs to get a life, undoubtedly you're not happy with the one you have and you have to enhance it on these boards.
Comments
What I can't understand is why the first time an inspector was told he couldn't go somewhere we didn't just bomb the place he couldn't go, and the same thing everytime after that. (Another BIG boo-boo of George the First.)
What we need to do now is bomb the places we know about & keep doing so until he lets the inspectors back in.
We bomb his radar sites & anti-aircraft sites now & this would only be an escalation of current action & not a whole new war.
You might have the action right but I don't agree with the targets. As for what the US does for now, I probably think nothing. A rational person wouldn't hit Israel but I think that might happen. If it does then we don't get to fire a shot - just I have said here before when the scuds were flying. If he would have hit a large city and killed a few thousand, we never would have fired that first M16. Yes, Comp, if OBL wants to go it again, we might have a problem here. Personally, I think the next targets will be US interests outside of the states. As for SH, he has a real har* on for Israel and that might just be his undoing.
cbxjeffIt's too late for me, save yourself.
I think that's what will happen, at first.
Our air power is absolutely awesome, and if you bomb them enough - a cleanup sweep is much easier, just like Afghanistan. I predict that our ground troops will use the technique of securing the area one building at a time, blow holes in the walls to make their entry and blow holes in the other walls to make their exit to the next one. That eliminates sniper fire and booby trapped windows and doors. I've heard of a plan to simply encircle areas with barbed wire, etc. and fire on them --- let the civilians out that want to go to the refugee camps, and imprision the soldiers that want to leave.
If it's like last time, we'll have more prisoners than they have soldiers.
After that's all done, load them up and take them to Greenland, and let the passivites of this world deal with reality.
Just my dluded opinion!
cbxjeffIt's too late for me, save yourself.
When will our Great Nation learn to finish the job, or else not start it.
-Russia needs oil, cheap they are flat broke-economy sux
-China is booming bigger and faster than the U.S. ever will and the world has most of it's stuff made over there- their economy is going to be the best in the world...soon after they get an oil supplier
-Iraq is a country with lot's of oil and nothing to do with it, they need weapons and a little bit of food
-2 plus one equals three countries with mutual interests
- What would happen if China and Russia and even North Korea gave Saddam the capability to eliminate U.S. forces in the Gulf?
-What would it take to elimate an Aircraft Carrier, the backbone of U.S. presence in the Gulf?
NOT MUCH! This battle could be over in minutes with the U.S. losing all assets in the middle east, the Patriot Missile batteries will get the first wave but when they are gone...they are gone.
This concludes todays briefing.
If we lived in a perfect world you would not be here
NRA MEMBER
China needs the U/S. badly, as all the stuff that's being made over there is coming here. They know damn well that we have more oil than they do, excepting the stuff that they are too dumb to find.
Oil goes this way, currently, as far as known quantities under the soil:
1. Russia
2. The United States
3. the Mideast
4. Argentina
5. China
Apparently, only Russia has figured out that, even though we could exist for at least a century on only American oil, we are going to use theirs up first, and then they'll be buying from us. Duh!!!!!! C'mon, folks, it's grade-school stuff, here!!
Worry about Russia, yes. But they are not stupid. They may sell their missiles, but neither they, nor China, will launch from their own countries, as our subs would toast them lifeless before their ground-launched missiles even left the atmosphere and they know that.
Nitrouz, if you really were in any capacity to receive "security briefings", then the fact that Russia is still our main enemy would not surprize you in the least, you would have already known that, so you're BS'ing heavily, not to mention that you don't even have the faintest grasp of foreign affairs, politically or militarily.
Nanoq, I welcome your views, but nobody here "wants war." It has been declared upon us, and we WILL respond to that. And America does NOT stand (yet) for any socialist ideals. It stands for one thing. Individual Liberty. That's why the "majority", however conjured up in the heads of the media, still cannot remove an individual's rights, unless that individual violates the rights of another individual. You can feel awfully safe by not having weapons of mass destruction, you can sleep well at night knowing that the rest of the world does not envy, and therefore, hate you. So can a chick in a nest. The United States grew up learned to fly.
Pel, good luck with that flag!!
Someday, Pel, me and the missus are comin' down! Can I steer??
(oops, sorry about that starboard scrape, didn't see the pier!!)
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Nitrouz, you are full of sh**! Stop playing around --- if you had any kind of security clearance it's probably in process of revocation. You're painting with a broad brush and violating OPSEC disciplines. If I was your CO you'd be busted to E-0 and pulling hard labor!
"If you can do it, it ain't braggin'".
JR Ewing - "Dallas"
Edited by - DancesWithSheep on 09/15/2002 21:10:49
doc
One thing I know without any doubt is that Saddam H. is capable of just about anything if he has the tools to work with.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised to learn that he's the true backer of Al Queda, and Osama Bin Laden was just his "front man".
"If you can do it, it ain't braggin'".
JR Ewing - "Dallas"
Industry officials tell the Washington Post there could be a major reshuffling in the world petroleum market -- and it would benefit the U-S, while damaging Iraq's deals with other countries such as Russia and France.
Iraq's 112-(b) billion barrels of crude oil reserves represent the second-largest supply in the world, behind Saudi Arabia's.
The importance of Iraq's oil has been used as a strong bargaining chip in the Bush administration's negotiations to win U-N backing for military action against Saddam.
All five permanent members of the U-N's Security Council -- the U-S, Britain, France, Russia, and China -- have international oil companies with huge stakes in the outcome of a war with Iraq
Just when you think your out of the woods,a tree falls on you!
And my Classified briefing came straight from my manager at Micky D's TimberBeast, he pulled me from the fryer to brief me.
No one has a sense of humor anymore.....
*Don't fear a man with a hundred guns, fear the man with one*
Operational Security is not a joking matter.
I don't know what branch of the military you're supposedly in, but it sounds to me like you need a wake up call!
I've read where you are supposedly "exempt" from firearms laws, and "when you become President", and now this. I hold an Ultra Clearance and don't appreciate loud mouths that mock our security with their "security briefing babble". And you're right, I'd bet this board is monitored by several company agencies.
Keep it up and your next duty station will be in Leavenworth, and your mos will be "busting rocks" hard time - hard labor.
There is no exemption for your behavior, and "sense of humor" is no excuse.
"If you can do it, it ain't braggin'".
JR Ewing - "Dallas"
This is probably some kid acting out a fantasy, if not BOLO is in progress. Email me.
Jim
"De Oppresso Liber"
If you have one shot...Accu-Shot Website
You got it ! Actually a one time pass is a term used in SF commo.
Jungle Jim is probably right, this is a kid acting out his fantasies,
no soldier with half a brain would divulge a security briefing on a public board!
"If you can do it, it ain't braggin'".
JR Ewing - "Dallas"
The fact is the only country on this planet that needs a regime change is this country. How much longer do you think we can keep extending the national deficit? Your tax dollars haven't even paid for the Civil War yet and ya'll are worried about the Middle East? I think ten years of Isolationism and building a vehicle that will run on something without oil will do more good than worry about anything else. Let Europe do something for a change.
Hey nitrouz go look at this and then tell me something i don't know about oil and gas
and to me WAR is no joking matter
http://rigzone.com/news/
Hobbies: Distracting the BATF
Favorite Quote: What will happen when the world oil supply does run out? Are you prepared?
NRA MEMBER
Edited by - harleeman1030 on 09/17/2002 00:19:42
Edited by - harleeman1030 on 09/17/2002 00:20:41
*If there is one gun for every 7 people in the world, I'm saving alot of people money*
Isolation is a bad thing, controlling the borders is a good thing. Building cars that get a gazillion MPG (or would that be MPK, miles per kilowatt?) is a good thing. But until there is a DEMAND for it, it will not happen. Right now we Americans are burning Dinosaurs at a high rate of speed with our SUV's and love it! And check this out, what if every person over the age of say 20 in China drove a personal (really state owned) car, plus had a refrigerator and other energy dependent appliances, then we might have a Global energy problem (not to mention raw materials). But I'm guessing that before we have a Global energy problem, this ol'world will no longer be spinning around.
In the meantime, and back to the threads subject matter, What do we do with Iraq now that they are willing to allow inspectors in? I suggest suitcase nukes!
If you have one shot...Accu-Shot Website
YOU were the one who tried to sell us on your phony classified briefing. There are some members here that earned and have high security clearances and don't appreciate tomfoolery when it comes to National Security.
It sounds to me that you are the one that needs to get a life, undoubtedly you're not happy with the one you have and you have to enhance it on these boards.
I truly hope that you aren't in our military.