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Ten Most Important Guns
airborne
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Just finished watching the History Channel program titled "Ten Most Important Guns".
According to a fifteen member panel of 'Gun Experts' they came up with the following list ranked by importance:
10 Browning Automatic Rifle
9 Kentucky Rifle
8 Matchlock Musket
7 M1 Rifle - Garand
6 AK-47
5 Mauser 98
4 Browning Bess Musket
3 Colt 1911 .45 Cal Pistol
2 Colt Paterson Revolver
1 Maxim Machine Gun
Do you agree with the above listing? How many of the Top Ten do you have in your collection?
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According to a fifteen member panel of 'Gun Experts' they came up with the following list ranked by importance:
10 Browning Automatic Rifle
9 Kentucky Rifle
8 Matchlock Musket
7 M1 Rifle - Garand
6 AK-47
5 Mauser 98
4 Browning Bess Musket
3 Colt 1911 .45 Cal Pistol
2 Colt Paterson Revolver
1 Maxim Machine Gun
Do you agree with the above listing? How many of the Top Ten do you have in your collection?
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Comments
Eric S. Williams
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IF you wanna have fun jine the cavalry
If there's not a Ruger in the list, then I don't find it Credible.
just kidding
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I think you're just being bias.
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bullelk
SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
Unbelievable number of countries have used it as their military handgun.
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Agree with your comment concerning the Browning 1935 Hi-Power. Would say they went with the Colt 1911 because it was brought to market first. Using that rationale why didn't they list the Luger DWM.
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The M16 was and is the wests answer to the AK, it is a assualt rifle built to mimic the AK in firepower, size and weight. Still the AK was the first workable assualt rifle to be fielded, and it has the dubious honor of being idiot proof as it needed to be for the conscript armys behind the iron curtian.
The Browning HP was built after the 1911, which spawned the design for the HP
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cept you just made me feel a lot older than I am
Those people who see nothing but grey areas, no black and white, are lost in the fog.
Good point. Could not understand why either a Henry, Winchester or Browning lever action was not listed.
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I understand you theory of the 1911's importance, but I dont hold the gun in such high esteem as a historical event maker. It hasnt turned the enemy running, its merely been a long time sidearm, and a good design. If I were to give any pistol, and its not a military version, a high place of honor in history of importance, it would definitely be a Colt SAA. Its been around longer, proven itself as well as the 1911, accurate, and reliable. Its design may not be totally unique in itself, but it has set a bench mark for all revolvers to meet, and that in my opinion gives it the edge over the 1911. I also believe its not mistake or coincidence that the 1911 uses an identical bullet diameter to the Colt SAA. The Colt revolver truly set the standard in my opinion.Hmmm... just looking at the original post again, the Colt SAA and the Patterson arent the same gun are they? Showing my lack of memory and knowledge here.
SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
Edited by - robsguns on 07/08/2002 20:22:04
Thank they gave Colt recognition but in the form of Colt Paterson Revolver, as the Paterson was actually the predecessor to the Colt SAA.
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SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
The Browning Half Power is also a great gun, but it is not the first.
The SAA is also a good choice, but it is still a refinement, probably the pinnacle of period revolvers, however it didnt usher is a era in firearms, as did the 1911.
Those people who see nothing but grey areas, no black and white, are lost in the fog.
Face of Battle"? Great section in it on how machine guns
changed the nature of soldiering and warfare.
The Iron Curtian was the theroetical divide behind which the commies worked and plotted against us during the Cold War (heard of that?) It encompassed the commie countries and was a barrier to our way of thinking.
The Kentucky long rifle (aka the Pennsylvaina Rifle) was a very accurate flintlock rifle that was used by the milita against the British to great effect, basicly as a sniper due to the slower load time of a rifle versus a smoothbore, during the Revolution. At the time the Armys weapons were Brown Bess muskets, BIG ball, lousy accuracy, but if you are shooting at a line of uniforms 50yards away, you dont need accuracy.
Those people who see nothing but grey areas, no black and white, are lost in the fog.
Humph! Good arguments, I think you're right, the 1911 may have a better reason to be in there than the SAA. I'm not sure I like to admit it, but you presented a very good argument. Now this is why I come here, learning is occuring.
SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
During the program they said the British tactics were to put, at times, as many as 2000 soldiers abreast, firing the Brown Bess. Trained troops could fire 4/5 shots per minute. That was a lot of lead flying through the air. They did not say but wasn't the Brown Bess a .58 cal. ball?
Yes, if you were across the field 50 to 100 away it would definitely get your attention.
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The new site tools have gone to your head -- it looks like you are either shouting or writing with crayons. How about going back to standard ol' Times New Roman? As for the TV show, I've seen that episode and they make a very interesting case for each gun. But you'd have to see the show to understand why they rate each of these an important advance in gun development.
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The Maxim '08 was the first real machine-gun, and as exemplified in WWI, it changed the face of battle for good. The American Browning, British Vickers, and Russian Goryunov models were all based on Hiram Maxim's design.
He was an American, of course. I wonder why he marketed the design to the Germans and Russians...
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rodney colson
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And I object to them refering to the Pennsylvania rifle as a "kentucky rifle".
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Great idea! Do you have an email address that will get to somebody responsible for programing format, etc.
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The AK marked history simply by sheer volume and being the one to supply all of the communist forces
Say WHAT???
Yeah, it's amazing that the world got by for all those years without Colt and Armalite around to reinvent the wheel.
Who supplied the communist forces before that?
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Those people who see nothing but grey areas, no black and white, are lost in the fog.
rodney colson
If I knew then, what I know now.
The M-14 was adopted as the standard US rifle in 1957, the M-16 in 1964 (but not widely fielded untill about 1966)
quote: even the earilest examples of the fn-fal in combat where by far the prefered weapon when compared to the m-14 Not by me; the M-14 is the second best combat rifle ever made. (But it was an awfully dumb idea to think that it could replace the BAR as a fire team's prinicple weapon.)
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1) Jaeger, the kentucky's daddy, first practical use of rifling and flintlock.
2)Brown Bess, built to standard patterns, interchangable parts.
3)1851 Navy Colt, The patterson was a flawed fragile design with no standard caliber. Navy combined practical size, pointability and sufficent caliber in same package. Was also much less breakage prone than the patterson.
4)Peabody/Peabody Martini/Martini Henry, Just ask the Brits or the Turks.
5)Henry/Model 66 Winchester, Practical rapid repeater. Again look to the Turks for combat use.
6)Lebel, the gun that gave the world smokeless powder.
7)96 Mauser pistol, Though not officially adopted by any army as a primary sidearm, was the first practical semi automatic military pistol.
8)93/98 Mauser rifle, no explanation nessasary
9)Maxim, I agree with the origional list that this one belongs.
10)Gewehr 43, The AK couldn't have existed without this one.
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Edited by - woodsrunner on 07/09/2002 11:51:19