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What woulf YOU do?
alledan
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If you were given the authority,waht would you do with the terrorists remains? Personally I would feed them to the hogs Then i would kill the hogs and bury them in a septic tank dumping pit!
WASHINGTON (Aug. 16) - Among the human remains painstakingly sorted from the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crash sites of Sept. 11 are those of nine of the hijackers.
The FBI has held them for months, and no one seems to know what should be done with them. It's a politically and emotionally charged question for the government, which eventually must decide how to dispose of some of the most despised men in American history.
``I think in Islam, you're supposed to be buried whole, so I would take them and scatter them all over the place,'' said Donn Marshall, whose wife, Shelley, died at the Pentagon. ``They don't deserve any kind of religious courtesies.''
In New York, where the monumental task of identifying the remains of 2,823 victims believed to be dead continues, no remains have been linked to the 10 hijackers who crashed two airliners into the World Trade Center. About half the victims' families still are waiting for their loved ones to be identified, though it's likely many never will be because so much of the site was incinerated.
In contrast, the remains of all 40 victims in the Pennsylvania crash and all but five of the 184 victims at the Pentagon site were identified months ago.
Little attention has been paid to the terrorists' remains found mingled with those of the victims.
``It's a unique situation,'' said Dr. Jerry Spencer, a former chief medical examiner for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, who worked 30 years as a Navy forensic pathologist. ``The terrorists are usually not in our possession in the United States like this. The other issue is, will the families want them back?''
Four sets of remains in Pennsylvania and five at the Pentagon were grouped together as the hijackers - but not identified by name - through a process of elimination.
Families of the airplanes' passengers and crews and those who died within the Pentagon provided DNA samples, typically on toothbrushes or hairbrushes, to aid with identification. The remains that didn't match any of those samples were ruled to be the terrorists, said Chris Kelly, spokesman for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, which did the DNA work. The nine sets of remains matched the number of hijackers believed to be on the two planes.
Without reference samples from the hijackers' personal effects or from their immediate families to compare with the recovered DNA, the remains could not be matched to an individual.
With the one-year anniversary approaching, State Department officials said Friday they had received no requests for the remains. The department would be responsible for handling such a request from any government seeking the return of a citizen's body.
Officials have said that all but one of the nine hijackers recovered had connections to Saudi Arabia. The other was Lebanese.
Officials at the Saudi Embassy in Washington did not respond to requests for comment.
In more typical cases, foreign families also could contact local authorities. But the hijackers' remains are under the control of the FBI.
``To the best of my knowledge, there haven't been any friends or family members to try to claim the remains of these people,'' said Jeff Killeen, spokesman for the FBI field office in Pittsburgh. ``They are in the custody of the FBI in Washington. They have not been released.''
In cases where badly damaged bodies cannot be identified, or when no one steps forward to claim a body, state or local laws usually dictate what will be done with them.
``If it's a mass disaster, and they can't identify the remains, they may put all of them in a mass grave or they may be cremated,'' said Michael Bell, vice president of the National Association of Medical Examiners and the deputy chief examiner for Broward County, Fla.
Authorities usually retain only small DNA samples, photographs or other pertinent information that might lead to identification later or become evidence in a criminal case.
A group memorial service is planned for Arlington National Cemetery on Sept. 12, when all the remains from the Pentagon that could not be matched with a particular victim will be buried, said Maj. Sandy Troeber, a spokeswoman.
The remains linked to terrorists were taken by the FBI in February, she said.
James Starrs, a professor of forensic science and law at George Washington University, said there should be public oversight of what the government does with human remains, whether they are criminals or victims.
Policies must take into account that there are cases where relatives don't seek repatriation of remains, including many examples of Americans killed on overseas battlefields, noted Starrs, who is known for his forensic work in historical cases, such as the outlaw Jesse James and the mystery of the Boston Strangler.
``Good persons or bad persons, you can't assume that the relatives are going to come to the fore and try to reclaim their remains,'' Starr said.
WASHINGTON (Aug. 16) - Among the human remains painstakingly sorted from the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crash sites of Sept. 11 are those of nine of the hijackers.
The FBI has held them for months, and no one seems to know what should be done with them. It's a politically and emotionally charged question for the government, which eventually must decide how to dispose of some of the most despised men in American history.
``I think in Islam, you're supposed to be buried whole, so I would take them and scatter them all over the place,'' said Donn Marshall, whose wife, Shelley, died at the Pentagon. ``They don't deserve any kind of religious courtesies.''
In New York, where the monumental task of identifying the remains of 2,823 victims believed to be dead continues, no remains have been linked to the 10 hijackers who crashed two airliners into the World Trade Center. About half the victims' families still are waiting for their loved ones to be identified, though it's likely many never will be because so much of the site was incinerated.
In contrast, the remains of all 40 victims in the Pennsylvania crash and all but five of the 184 victims at the Pentagon site were identified months ago.
Little attention has been paid to the terrorists' remains found mingled with those of the victims.
``It's a unique situation,'' said Dr. Jerry Spencer, a former chief medical examiner for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, who worked 30 years as a Navy forensic pathologist. ``The terrorists are usually not in our possession in the United States like this. The other issue is, will the families want them back?''
Four sets of remains in Pennsylvania and five at the Pentagon were grouped together as the hijackers - but not identified by name - through a process of elimination.
Families of the airplanes' passengers and crews and those who died within the Pentagon provided DNA samples, typically on toothbrushes or hairbrushes, to aid with identification. The remains that didn't match any of those samples were ruled to be the terrorists, said Chris Kelly, spokesman for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, which did the DNA work. The nine sets of remains matched the number of hijackers believed to be on the two planes.
Without reference samples from the hijackers' personal effects or from their immediate families to compare with the recovered DNA, the remains could not be matched to an individual.
With the one-year anniversary approaching, State Department officials said Friday they had received no requests for the remains. The department would be responsible for handling such a request from any government seeking the return of a citizen's body.
Officials have said that all but one of the nine hijackers recovered had connections to Saudi Arabia. The other was Lebanese.
Officials at the Saudi Embassy in Washington did not respond to requests for comment.
In more typical cases, foreign families also could contact local authorities. But the hijackers' remains are under the control of the FBI.
``To the best of my knowledge, there haven't been any friends or family members to try to claim the remains of these people,'' said Jeff Killeen, spokesman for the FBI field office in Pittsburgh. ``They are in the custody of the FBI in Washington. They have not been released.''
In cases where badly damaged bodies cannot be identified, or when no one steps forward to claim a body, state or local laws usually dictate what will be done with them.
``If it's a mass disaster, and they can't identify the remains, they may put all of them in a mass grave or they may be cremated,'' said Michael Bell, vice president of the National Association of Medical Examiners and the deputy chief examiner for Broward County, Fla.
Authorities usually retain only small DNA samples, photographs or other pertinent information that might lead to identification later or become evidence in a criminal case.
A group memorial service is planned for Arlington National Cemetery on Sept. 12, when all the remains from the Pentagon that could not be matched with a particular victim will be buried, said Maj. Sandy Troeber, a spokeswoman.
The remains linked to terrorists were taken by the FBI in February, she said.
James Starrs, a professor of forensic science and law at George Washington University, said there should be public oversight of what the government does with human remains, whether they are criminals or victims.
Policies must take into account that there are cases where relatives don't seek repatriation of remains, including many examples of Americans killed on overseas battlefields, noted Starrs, who is known for his forensic work in historical cases, such as the outlaw Jesse James and the mystery of the Boston Strangler.
``Good persons or bad persons, you can't assume that the relatives are going to come to the fore and try to reclaim their remains,'' Starr said.
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If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.
The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
So what do you acomplish?- Nothing! Exept the type of person you are.
What you do makes you feel good as you are on this earth- the other is gone- your wasting your time and hatred!
Woods
I'd go for a mass grave, lined with fresh pigskin, use the hole as a sump for a outhouse untill its full.
Those people who see nothing but grey areas, no black and white, are lost in the fog.
Varmintmist - I'm with you on that, it may make a diference to them!
... so, you would have to carry it one step further, make video tapes and phamplets of the desecration and distrubute them in areas where the terrorist are known to be ... kinda like scattering propaganda in WWII ... make sure they know the cost of their actions to themselves in the afterlife.
I wouldn't be opposed to making the captured terrorists being held to eat from troughs and sleep with pigs, in pig pens with no sanitary conditions or whatever un-savory conditions would revolt/scare them the most and distrubute that as well ... adding the names of the captives to the pictures would be a plus too!
Sorry folks, we gotta get dirty and do what ever it takes ...
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Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
BUT, if you choose to bastardize what your religion, or your creed stands for (I think that it's obvious this is not directed at anyone personally), I will NOT compromise mine for your sake. To me, to do so would be accepting defeat and would be an acceptance of an abominable evil choosing your actions for you, rather than choosing one's own actions. In an alley, your actions are chosen in a split-second mode. When the bad guy is dead, logic must prevail as to what to do with the body in accordance with one's own beliefs. Would you crap on the junky who tried to kill your family after said junky was dead? Maybe I'm just too kind, but, no, I think killing the creature was enough, and I hope that I never have to.
Self-defense is different from sadistic revenge. Taxpayer expense? Another conundrum. I'm sure we could find a few able-bodied people to wield a shovel, and since there are more Moslems in the world than any other religion, we could probably find someone to give a quick service for free. Unfortunately, the govt. doesn't think that way. A pity. I still will maintain that principles that we as individual citizens of this repubic hold to be true, such as integrity and honesty must not be compromised, because that is an abandonment of the self, and is also a bow on knees to the perpetrators, to allow them to change us as individuals. Yep, some guys had to kill innocent people in every war that we've had. But they are no threat after they are dead, the guilty or the innocent. WE deserve to treat them not with honor of any kind, but with the honor that WE feel appropriate. And to me, that honor means to act decently. Most will disagree with me, yet I will stand firm on this, other than govt. bumbling and expenses. There would be no shame to put them in cardboard boxes (in which many destitute Americans are cremated or buried in, I worked at a cemetery for 2 years), and send them back where they came from. Then we'll see how the slimy half lives. They'll probably go into the rendering plant. We shouldn't do things like that here. Not without losing our honor.
Yep, we have to behave as a nation according to our ethics -- even if it would feel good to dump the remains of the terrorists into a hog feed plant.
The purpose of things like the Geneva Convention is that there has to be a basis for peace after the war is over. We didn't do that after WWI so we had part two a generation later. That's why Serbia/Bosnia won't go away, too many terrible things done to too many people who want revenge.
I'm watching a neighbor put up several thousand crosses as an abortion protest. I agree that abortion is not good, but protests like that one just make a middle ground harder to find.
NPR this morning was interviewing a man about the Irish situation and he said we have to set children's attitudes by age 6 or 7 or it's too late.
So what are we teaching our young children?
Wild Turkey"if your only tool is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail"
Bartman
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