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my preban ar-15

gunaholicgunaholic Member Posts: 19 ✭✭
edited August 2002 in General Discussion
I'm trying to track down a guy that sold me what I'm sure is an illegal rifle.
I bought the rifle at a gun show,the colliseum does'nt have a list of dealers that were there.I know he was at one point a dealer because he used his old gun store receipts for the receipts for my receipt.His store is gone now.But I was wondering if there was any way to locate the guy through records of the store,or the dealer liscence that the guy had to have to run his gun store.I'll apreciate any advice or info to help me locate this guy.

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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    All the show dealers paid a fee to the coliseum gun show promoter for table space. They should have a list of all participants who paid for tables. If you tell them you need to follow up regarding regulations pertaining to a gun purchase, they should have no problem helping you find the dealer in question. You could go with the BATF and serial number route, but I'd hate to see you lose the gun, just in case it's not illegal after all. If it's illegal and you need to get rid of it, you should at least be able to sell it to someone in another state where it will be legal, even if it has to be someone with an NFA license. It is probably more important to get right with the law, and get your money out of the gun, than to find the dealer that screwed up. Even if you manage to get him in trouble, you may lose the gun over it without compensation, which doesn't seem fair to me. Of course, if the principle is more important to you than the money, do what you must.

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  • snarlgardsnarlgard Member Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Batf regulations say you can have two of items
    bayonett lug
    detachable magazine
    pistol grip
    extendable buttstock
    grenade lancher
    It the problem is the money you paid for it you may have to just take the loss and rember his face for the next show
    If the problem is you are afraid of batf finding out about it you might want to take the upper off and modify it to be legal.
    Most times all you would have to do is remove the bayo lug to get back within your two items
    you did not say if it had a extendable buttstock
    if it does you may have to replace it with a pinned buttstock or a solid one
    then when it is legal you can talk to batf with no fear they will take the weapon(in theory)...you never know what they will do.

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  • Smokeeater 38Smokeeater 38 Member Posts: 2,735
    edited November -1
    What makes you think it is illegal? If it's pre-ban I don't see the problem, unless it will fire full auto. If that's the case you should be able to change out some parts and have a legal gun.

    As far as finding this guy. Check with the city that he had his shop in. The water dept may have an address after he went out of business. The post office might have record of a forwarding address for him. Also check http://www.anywho.com/ for his name and the business name.

    I hope it's legal or can be made legal the AR's are fun to shoot.
    Good luck.


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  • gunaholicgunaholic Member Posts: 19 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The gun is from what I've been told illegal.Someone posted a link showing that sedra corp ar's are postban if they have an milled circle on the side of the mag well,which is the shape of the Rock Island emblem.It did'nt show pre and post ban serial numbers.no one find find numbers anywhere,or get ahold of the manufacturer.I've already removed the upper so it's no longer illegal.But I'd like to find the guy to give a chance to fix the sittuation.I'm not so much interested in getting him in trouble as I am trying to get my money back.If anyone has anymore info on getting with the manufacturer or finding serial numbers so I know without a doubt that my rifle is'nt legal it will be apreciated.

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  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is a huge possibility that the your rifle is perfectly legal. You really need to double check into it. Contact the BATF, they should be able to trace the serial # as to the date of MFG. Don't tell them you think you have an illegal rifle, just tell them that your interested in the date of mfg.

    If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

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  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    gunaholic - So is this a Rock Island as your thread in "Experts" says or a Sendra?

    What I would do if I had such a strong suspicion it was illegal is;

    1) Get out my trusty dremmel tool, cut off the bayo lug and permanently install a muzzle break on it.

    OR:

    2) Sell that upper and get a new post-ban upper of your choice ... then, no matter what, your legal.

    I wouldn't bother trying to track him down unless you gave him some un-godly price for it thinking it was pre-ban ... most any AR these days is worth $600-$800, and if you got it with "no paper" all the better ... or do you just want to teach him a lesson? He very well may have bought it and sold it to you believing it to be pre-ban ??? Who knows?


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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I gotta' disagree with those of you who advocate contacting BATF. Under NO CIRCUNSTANCES would I get them involved in this. There's ALWAYS some "GUNGY" agent that'll try to makle points by going after a "BAD GUY" (In this case that will be you.) Like Snarlgard said, if it has more than 2 of the following:
    bayonet lug
    detachable magazine
    pistol grip
    extendable buttstock
    grenade lancher
    it could be illegal. I'm pretty sure it has the detachable mag. and the pistol grip. If it has an extendable buttstock, that's easy enough to replace. A bayonet lug, grind it off or take it to a machine shop and have it sawed off. A grenade launcher!!!....get real.
    Anyone know where I can get a grenade launcher for mine. Already got all the rest.

    Mudge the law abiding

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  • The firearms consultantThe firearms consultant Member Posts: 716 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How much do you have in it? I'm sure there are folks out there that need PARTS!!!

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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    mudge -- Sadly for America, I tend to agree with you about not contacting the BATF. Let sleeping dogs lie. This problem can be legally fixed by the current gun owner himself by any one of several of the other solutions suggested above. Do It Now.

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  • snarlgardsnarlgard Member Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    i need to correct what i said earler found this in another answer to another question and this is the correct info

    ______________________________________________________________________
    Folding Stock
    Pistol Grip
    Bayonet Lug
    Grenade Launcher
    Flash Hider, or a threaded barrel that will accept one

    TWO of the above items and the ability to take detatchable magazines throws it in the assault weapons classification (not three). A rifle cannot have over one of the five items noted above. It would have to have been configured as an assault weapon prior to the 1994 ban to be legal.
    ______________________________________________________________________
    glad i saw this so i could correct my mistake



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