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CA- Tree huggers to blame for wildfires
FrancF
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Been saying it for years, Tree hugger's block forest management to save a toad, and this is what happens- Dingbats[:(!]
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Absolutely, the sonsabiches.
Care to elaborate a bit?
Wildfires can be prevented by good forest management, i.e. controlled burns to reduce undergrowth and select cutting. The enviro-whakos block this at every turn.
we see it here every year!
the forests will burn one day or another, nature itself will see to that. it is a lot better to have fuel reduction burns rather than to have an out of control killer raging where it wants! those hot fires kill everything they burn so hot. if fuel reduction burns are done when its safe and they can be controlled they will only get rid of the driest fuel and they`ll leave the tall timber alone.
lighting will set it off, or an arsonist. its just a matter of when it will burn...not if!
Wildfires can be prevented by good forest management, i.e. controlled burns to reduce undergrowth and select cutting. The enviro-whakos block this at every turn.
Right, but I was under the impression that they were doing it for other reasons: "Leave the forest alone!", rather than for to protect a particular species.
I'd also point out that forest management gets much tricker as more people move into "wild" areas.
For some reason, folks don't seem to like "controlled burns" near their three million dollar homes
quote:Originally posted by HandgunHTR52
Wildfires can be prevented by good forest management, i.e. controlled burns to reduce undergrowth and select cutting. The enviro-whakos block this at every turn.
Right, but I was under the impression that they were doing it for other reasons: "Leave the forest alone!", rather than for to protect a particular species.
I'd also point out that forest management gets much tricker as more people move into "wild" areas.
For some reason, folks don't seem to like "controlled burns" near their three million dollar homes
They seem to like un-controlled burns even less.....
quote:Originally posted by HandgunHTR52
Wildfires can be prevented by good forest management, i.e. controlled burns to reduce undergrowth and select cutting. The enviro-whakos block this at every turn.
Right, but I was under the impression that they were doing it for other reasons: "Leave the forest alone!", rather than for to protect a particular species.
I'd also point out that forest management gets much tricker as more people move into "wild" areas.
For some reason, folks don't seem to like "controlled burns" near their three million dollar homes
Let me explain a little, We just had a fire that was an official 520 acres of heavy fuel, It took a little over 900 fire fighters, 12 bombers, 8 helicopters, 11 dozer's, 6 strike teams, and 14 hand crews working 24/7.
The Same fire size when I worked with Cal. Fire 28 years ago would have taken about 300 fire fighters 2 bombers and a helicopter or 2 and a few dozer's. and maybe 3 days to control working 24/7.
Right, but I was under the impression that they were doing it for other reasons: "Leave the forest alone!", rather than for to protect a particular species.
They're just like the antigunners, in fact they are the same people and just like a gun control law, any reason will do.
28 years ago, I bet there were a hell of alot fewer houses up on those ridges....thats gotta be taking a toll
Franc: I don't have your level of experience in the field, but in several of the stories I've came across "protection of property" was labeled as a hinderance to fighting the main fire. Firefighters are spending proportionally more and more time protecting individual houses, rather that containing and controlling the blazes.
28 years ago, I bet there were a hell of alot fewer houses up on those ridges....thats gotta be taking a toll
You are 100% correct on that note- Some that have the million $ homes clear their property of underbrush and have a "Green belt" (Ice plant Ivy, etc that doesn't burn) and the ones that lose keep it natural.
The major problem is the "State controlled land" that leads up to or is between private/urban properties. Thats the resistance between the the tree huggers and the state in most of the fire problem areas.
Just like the Lake Tahoe basin, Lots of homes surrounded by state and federal property. USFS, CALFire has been sending the same message to Sacramento clean it up and manage it! The Sierra Club comes along and puts up guff to the state and says NO! Its Natural-