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GBs, hunters, & land owners in KY update!
jjmitchell60
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I sent an e-mail to one of the state senators that co-sponcered the bill and he is my district senator. I voiced my displeasure with it and at him. My whole family campaigned for him and I reminded him of that. I have his home number and have talked with him a few times at home so I reminded him of that so he would remember who I was. I pointed out that it could lead to more poaching and more illegal drug activity as in planting pot patches! Here is his reply and I am hopeful as to it's content.
quote:James,
You make some good points that I had not considered. I understood the bill to protect the property owner from those who are on their property and may be injured and subject the property owner a lawsuit. I will reconsider my position. Thanks for you concerns.
R.J.
There is also hope on defeating this bill because the KY Beef Cattle Association is against it as well as KY Farm Bureau. Gov. Fletcher grew up near my home so if by chance it reaches his desk, I plan on calling him personally.
A mamber of our local Wild Turkey Federation Chapter is a member of the Anderson Co. Sportsman Club. Our chapter is The Blue Licks Long Beards!
For those of you that live in KY, own land in KY or just hunt in KY or any combo of the 3 need to take a look at the kentucky Senate Bill131 and House bill 512 HCS. Both are bills that admend to state law the right for a person who is hunting with a dog to enter your property without PERMISION to retreive their dog! They do not need proof that their dog is there and they could have turned their dog loose 10 miles down the road but still they can go on your property to look fo their dog. This is a serious matter concerning your landowner rights and gives people the chance to enter your property in the dead of night without your permission. They can be poaching, planting pot plants, or even stealing on the pretence that they are hunting their hunting dogs! You as a land owner will have no right to stop them! Read the bills at this sight:
http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/RECORD/04RS/3920.htm
and be sure tom read the HB 512 HCS. You can click on both SB131 and HB512 to viw the bills but on HB512 you need to click on HCS. Read them and if you disagree, contact your state senator and representive because both bill are out of committe.
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you.
Rita Mae Brown
quote:James,
You make some good points that I had not considered. I understood the bill to protect the property owner from those who are on their property and may be injured and subject the property owner a lawsuit. I will reconsider my position. Thanks for you concerns.
R.J.
There is also hope on defeating this bill because the KY Beef Cattle Association is against it as well as KY Farm Bureau. Gov. Fletcher grew up near my home so if by chance it reaches his desk, I plan on calling him personally.
A mamber of our local Wild Turkey Federation Chapter is a member of the Anderson Co. Sportsman Club. Our chapter is The Blue Licks Long Beards!
For those of you that live in KY, own land in KY or just hunt in KY or any combo of the 3 need to take a look at the kentucky Senate Bill131 and House bill 512 HCS. Both are bills that admend to state law the right for a person who is hunting with a dog to enter your property without PERMISION to retreive their dog! They do not need proof that their dog is there and they could have turned their dog loose 10 miles down the road but still they can go on your property to look fo their dog. This is a serious matter concerning your landowner rights and gives people the chance to enter your property in the dead of night without your permission. They can be poaching, planting pot plants, or even stealing on the pretence that they are hunting their hunting dogs! You as a land owner will have no right to stop them! Read the bills at this sight:
http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/RECORD/04RS/3920.htm
and be sure tom read the HB 512 HCS. You can click on both SB131 and HB512 to viw the bills but on HB512 you need to click on HCS. Read them and if you disagree, contact your state senator and representive because both bill are out of committe.
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you.
Rita Mae Brown
Comments
One I respect landowners and I hate tresspassers and poachers. But I also hunt houds and there is a major problem right now going on with folks stealing hounds, shooting hounds and refusing hunters permission to get dogs. One thing Hounds are not huntred on a leash and even the best top trained dog will hit a cold track and run it. When Rebel ran off on me a few monts ago he went 7 MILES! He was dropped deep in the state land and made it all the way out onto private ground. He hit a cold track and went, no stopping him. Only way to guarentee something like this doesnt happen is to outlaw hound hunting and that will never happen.
Two things here, one some hunters will cut a dog loose no matter where it is, this ticks off land owners, second, many folks don't like hound hunting because it is a violent hunt at times, the dogs catch a * they kill it. When hounds cross property lines they don't know they did it, they are hunting and they most times cannot be stopped, Landowners shoot these dogs, steal these dogs and then say the hunter was poaching deer. sometimes an unavoidable scene becomes very ugly because of an irrate landowner. I have walked in on farms late at night when the dog crossed the ridge, walked up leashed the dog and left, if a landowner sees my dog before me he may get shot. My dog knows no laws, he is trained to hunt and if he crosses a line I should be allowed to get him, someone shoots my hound for crossing a line there will be a war. Sue me, call the cops and have me fined for trespassing, I deserve that if i don't get you out of bed and ask, but you shoot my dog........................
7mm...I don't follow your logic. Is it OK for you to let your hounds loose on public hunting land, and then if they cross over on my property, you can follow and shoot a * out of one of my trees? I don't think so! I would have no problem with someone coming and waking me up and asking permission, even if in the middle of the night. And I would grant the permission to retrieve the dog and harvest the game if treed on my property. But I better not catch anyone there, at night, with spotlights, shooting anything without my knowledge. Don't misunderstand me...I am not about to shoot somebodies hound either! I used to * hunt quite often, and recognize a good hound when I see one, and know the financial investment that can be tied up in a good hound. However, if slob hunters (AND I AM NOT INCLUDING YOU IN THAT DESCRIPTION!) can't take the time to ask permission to cross on private land, then they need to outlaw hound hunting. Where do your rights as a hunter end and my rights as a property owner begin?
"Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet."
I don't go for trespassing at all, thats why I said if I do it have me arrested, I deserve it. The problem is with landowners who will shoot the hounds for being there, I can look up the story if you wish, there was a case down south where a landowner shot a hound for being on his property, shot it dead. That landowner is in jail.
The trepassing is not the big problem, it is the mani folks who will refuse houd retreival, those who shoot the hounds and so on. Many top dollar dogs have been shot and stolen because landowners shoot them or steal them.
Like I said the only way to prevent that is to ban hound hunting, period, as long as hounds are hunted the dogs will trespass, no matter if you drop them 10 miles into state land a hound will find it's way to private ground sooner or later. Solution, ban hound hunting it's the only way and no I'm not being sarcastic, I'm serious.
If a law allows unrestricted access to private property that is wrong, but there sould be laws that say if a landowner does not allow retreival of the dogs either by accompanying the dog owner or allowing him to get it then the landowner shold be liable for the dog if any harm comes to it. and to prevent that? Ban hound hunting.
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you.
Rita Mae Brown
Call me stupid! I finally get it! Believe me, I won't shoot your dog, nor do I have any desire to steal a dog. Hey, if you and your hound ever get to TN, look me up and you will have a place to hunt. As long as I can tag along! Been awhile since I have chased a good * dog though. OK if I follow on my 4-wheeler? [:D]
Again...didn't mean to get you riled up. If I did, sorry.
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you.
Rita Mae Brown