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"I have nothing to hide"
ElMuertoMonkey
Member Posts: 12,898
"Dear Leader,
I have nothing to hide.
What about my wife, you ask? Please, feel free to check her, too. Oh, I know, those dresses and purses are such a terrorist's dream... feel free to do with them as you please. I have nothing to hide.
My home? I haven't done anything, but if it will make you feel better about me, please, look where you will when you will as you will. I have nothing to hide.
I understand that terrorists use banks and credit cards just like me. Fair enough if you want my financial records, after all, I have nothing to hide.
You want to bring me in for questioning? Well, times are dangerous and we all know the Constitution really just aids the terrorists. Sure I'll come in. I have nothing to hide.
What's this? I can't have a lawyer? And you're going to hold me on suspicion indefinitely without charge or trial? Of course I bought ten gallons of diesel gasoline... my truck has a diesel engine! What do you mean, 'Likely story?' Look, I'm telling you, I'm one of the good guys! I have nothing to hide!"
To which the Dear Leader responded:
"I'll be the judge of that."
I have nothing to hide.
What about my wife, you ask? Please, feel free to check her, too. Oh, I know, those dresses and purses are such a terrorist's dream... feel free to do with them as you please. I have nothing to hide.
My home? I haven't done anything, but if it will make you feel better about me, please, look where you will when you will as you will. I have nothing to hide.
I understand that terrorists use banks and credit cards just like me. Fair enough if you want my financial records, after all, I have nothing to hide.
You want to bring me in for questioning? Well, times are dangerous and we all know the Constitution really just aids the terrorists. Sure I'll come in. I have nothing to hide.
What's this? I can't have a lawyer? And you're going to hold me on suspicion indefinitely without charge or trial? Of course I bought ten gallons of diesel gasoline... my truck has a diesel engine! What do you mean, 'Likely story?' Look, I'm telling you, I'm one of the good guys! I have nothing to hide!"
To which the Dear Leader responded:
"I'll be the judge of that."
Comments
My school of thought is more like, "If you (are willing to) sacrifice Freedom for Security, you will get (or deserve) NEITHER"----Yeah, I know somebody else said it first, but I REALLY agree with the sentiment! Our good President sems to think that he has the authority to look into EVERY aspect of our personal lives/info, at will/arbitrarily, in order to "protect us", though. Can't say that I much care for that!
Not to mention the FACT that he chooses to keep our southern borders open to any and all. The man is a traitor.
I DO strongly disagree with any number of his "policies", however and at this point find it difficult to believe that he is doing what he TRULY believes to be in the best interests of the "common man".
I believe that in addition to being very weak on the Immigration Issue (in my view selling out America to special interests/big money) he is leading the way in a Presidential/gov'tal "power grab" of monumental proportions. Continuing the status quo? Pretty much, but at a heightened pace, I say!
"Dear Leader,
I have nothing to hide.
What about my wife, you ask? Please, feel free to check her, too. Oh, I know, those dresses and purses are such a terrorist's dream... feel free to do with them as you please. I have nothing to hide.
My home? I haven't done anything, but if it will make you feel better about me, please, look where you will when you will as you will. I have nothing to hide.
I understand that terrorists use banks and credit cards just like me. Fair enough if you want my financial records, after all, I have nothing to hide.
You want to bring me in for questioning? Well, times are dangerous and we all know the Constitution really just aids the terrorists. Sure I'll come in. I have nothing to hide.
What's this? I can't have a lawyer? And you're going to hold me on suspicion indefinitely without charge or trial? Of course I bought ten gallons of diesel gasoline... my truck has a diesel engine! What do you mean, 'Likely story?' Look, I'm telling you, I'm one of the good guys! I have nothing to hide!"
To which the Dear Leader responded:
"I'll be the judge of that."
Thank you monkey. This truly is an example for all loyal Americans to emulate. After all, if we can't trust the government.. who can we trust?
...majority of elected politicians, fit this "profile", regardless of
party affiliation.
Echelon ???...SURVEIL program touted, endorsed by Dims, and Clintoon; yet the liberal puke media LIKED the program; yeah, elitist are everywhere...[;)]
This is a government of the people, by the people, for the people; not of the politicians, by the politicians, for the politicians.
Somewhere along the way people like you have forgotten that these bureaucrats in Washington are supposed to be our servants, not the other way around.
hughbetcha,
This is a government of the people, by the people, for the people; not of the politicians, by the politicians, for the politicians.
Somewhere along the way people like you have forgotten that these bureaucrats in Washington are supposed to be our servants, not the other way around.
You don't know jack monkey man. I haven't forgotten anything, as a matter of fact i could probably teach you a few things about the government is supposed to work. I wonder if you'd be half as self riteous about the whole situation if the democrats were running things. I hated Bill clinton, but i gave him respect as our president when he deserved it and i criticized him when he disgraced himself.
Wack-jobs like you don't give a dammm about showing respect for anything or anybody. You are the ones who are running this country into the ground, not the duly elected officials(who deserve to be criticized but still respected.)
The whole "Support them because they are in charge, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE WRONG" thinking is BS! THINK about that statement, and how ridiculous it is!
Merc
Even the military recognizes that--one salutes the rank, not necessarily the person holding it.
How can you respect someone who is stealing your RIGHTS away?
Because it makes you safer. Besides, he is bringing democracy to the Middle East and making sure that we at home have people around to do the work we don't want to do. What are you, ignorant?
You dont have to respect the person, but you should respect the office. Do you think 100% of the politicians are corrupt? Do you think there are a few that are honest? personally, I think they are few in number, and i respect them even if i do not know their names.. for I am an American, a true patriot who loves my country for all that it is, not for the few things that it isnt. Ever since the dark days of pearl harbor... blah blah blah blah blah(exit to the sound of kate Smith singing "God Bless America") God bless america, land that i love. stand beside her and guide through the night with the light from above.....
hugh...: and I like apple pie too.
How would you treat those who are dishonest and corrupt? Keep voting to make sure they stay in office? Start impeachment proceedings? A traitor is a traitor, regardless of their motivations or their office, or their rank--Ollie North comes to mind immediately. His excuse for being a traitor: "I was following orders." Seems that excuse was offered at the end of WWII as well--and rightfully rejected.
I say punish traitors when you find them, no matter whether you agree with them or not. You'd like to pin a medal on the traitors at the NSA who leaked information cause you want to hurt the president(who I dont give a dam about) and you will end up hurting our country to do it. As far as I'm concerned George Bush is a snot nosed frat boy who never worked an honest day in his whole life. i voted for him because of what the Republican party stands for, and because the alternative was, if you can believe it, actually a whole lot worse. If John kerry had won I'd look at him the same way. The guys a scum bucket but we have to respect the office of the president, even if we dont agree with him. This is especially true when we are faced with an enemy that hates us all, regardless of political affiliation.
Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
Former NSSA All American
Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
MO, CT, VA.
Please re-read my post. Thank you.
...go live somewhere else...
Or just stay put a bit longer and live in Mexico.
Too old to live...too young to die...
quote:You dont have to respect the person, but you should respect the office.
And they should show us the same respect back. That office is a sacred trust, not a playground for tyrants.
As is, I do not understand how you, as a gun owner and enthusiast and supporter of the 2nd Amendment can support this grotesque violation of the Constitution... or does the Bill of Rights begin and end at number two for you?
If you're of the opinion that "it's for the security of us all", then why not turn in our guns and let the government protect us? After all, in your mind, they're better trained, know more than we do, and are more capable than we are.[xx(]
Hughbetcha wrote:
quote:You dont have to respect the person, but you should respect the office.
And they should show us the same respect back. That office is a sacred trust, not a playground for tyrants.
As is, I do not understand how you, as a gun owner and enthusiast and supporter of the 2nd Amendment can support this grotesque violation of the Constitution... or does the Bill of Rights begin and end at number two for you?
If you're of the opinion that "it's for the security of us all", then why not turn in our guns and let the government protect us? After all, in your mind, they're better trained, know more than we do, and are more capable than we are.[xx(]
Things change, new laws get passed. Every generation probably thinks the government is out of control and they are all probably right. The government isnt listening to your calls yet monkeyman and they havent come for your guns yet either. the truth is bad enough, why is it so important to you to hurt George Bush that you need to exaggerate the situation?
Things change, new laws get passed. Every generation probably thinks the government is out of control and they are all probably right. The government isnt listening to your calls yet monkeyman and they havent come for your guns yet either. the truth is bad enough, why is it so important to you to hurt George Bush that you need to exaggerate the situation?
Bull. There is no sliding scale of Constitutionality; it is not relative, situational. Enacted laws and governmental acts are either in compliance or they are not. And last I heard it was the Judiciary and not the Executive branch who decides. Until now, that is. But have it your way, Hugh; that you have nothing to hide or find such governmental behavior reasonable and prudent should of course be the litmus test for Constitutionality.
Sire...
The really sad thing ? Not megalo-maniacs usurping power...one expects that.
The sad thing..really..is ordinary people supporting and defending the power-mad Elites.
The Constitution means whatever those in power WANT it to mean.
Thank you, Thrasymachus. And if true, there is nothing more to talk or complain about.
No name calling, well nothing REAL bad.
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked already.
Shocking. [:0]
People voicing their honest opinions?
No name calling, well nothing REAL bad.
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked already.
Shocking. [:0]
would you care to do the honors? [:o)]
Hugh, do you stir the sugar in their koolaid? Or do you just pour it?
hate to burst your bubble, but in an SHTF secnario, the guys with M-16s and SWAT-goon uniforms will be the ones who CAUSED IT, not the ones protecting you!
no further questions your honor
Actually, this thread has been pretty mild. Despite our disagreement, I think hughbetcha has been pretty well-mannered in his responses.
It ain't "Politics" bad, that's for sure![;)][:D]
pickenup and Saxon,
Actually, this thread has been pretty mild. Despite our disagreement, I think hughbetcha has been pretty well-mannered in his responses.
It ain't "Politics" bad, that's for sure![;)][:D]
Oh...I agree EMM,
"I" don't lock threads to stop a "civil" disagreement.
Too old to live...too young to die...
The fact is, this country had better come together and figure out what our common goals are or we will come apart from the inside out. If you think the kind of criticism of our government that goes on in the media is just healthy debate, that's your opinion. In my opinion, it is reflective of a rampant self-loathing that makes us look weak and gives our enemies carrying out low intensity warfare against us the confidence that they can prevail.
KSU Marksman,
Aren't you in ROTC? Are you one of the bad guys or one of the good guys? When the SHTF are you going to desert your post and take up AK-47s with the rest of the rabble?
DWS,
I don't beleive there is a sliding scale to consitutionality, but I believe the constitution can be changed and reinterpreted, I've been reading about it since i was in fourth grade. How can it be constutionally correct to drink alcohol one year, then it's against the law for a few years, then all of a sudden it's legal again? Which version is the real constitutionally-compliant version? Which version violates our rights and which version protects us from ourselves?
Why was it consitutionally correct for women not to be able to vote and hundred and something years later the constitution tells us its OK for women to vote? Things change, maybe for the better, maybe not, but each generation of voters and politicians does get the chance to put their mark on the constitution and to interpret it as the majority sees fit.
DWS,
I don't beleive there is a sliding scale to consitutionality, but I believe the constitution can be changed and reinterpreted, I've been reading about it since i was in fourth grade. How can it be constutionally correct to drink alcohol one year, then it's against the law for a few years, then all of a sudden it's legal again? Which version is the real constitutionally-compliant version? Which version violates our rights and which version protects us from ourselves?
Why was it consitutionally correct for women not to be able to vote and hundred and something years later the constitution tells us its OK for women to vote? Things change, maybe for the better, maybe not, but each generation of voters and politicians does get the chance to put their mark on the constitution and to interpret it as the majority sees fit.
BINGO! Unfortunately, it is only Dubya and not the majority with Judiciary review who is making the call here. That's the difference. But you already know that, don't you?