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Islamic Attacks on America Soil is nothing new!

Smitty500magSmitty500mag Member Posts: 13,603 ✭✭✭✭
edited September 2014 in General Discussion
This article shows that the Muslims have killed 3,106 Americas in 74 terror attacks since 4/14/1972.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/americanattacks.htm

Islamic Terror Attacks on American Soil


You might not know it from the grand pity party that vocal Muslims seem to have thrown for themselves in the years since 9/11, but only one Muslim in America was killed in a vigilante "revenge" attack following the horrific slaughter of thousands in the name of Allah. That would be Waqar Hasan, a Muslim convenience storeowner who was gunned down by Mark Anthony Stroman in Texas. Hardly an average American, Stroman was a white supremacist with a felony criminal record who went on to shoot two more people in the following weeks. However, he did claim to be motivated by anger after having watched the twin towers fall.

For anyone keeping score


People killed by radical Muslims on 9/11: 2,996
Muslim-Americans killed "in revenge": 1

Thankfully, an American jury sentenced Mark Stroman to death. The same cannot be said of many Muslim terrorists such as Lockerbie bomber, Abdelbaset Al Megrahi, who not only have sanctuary in Muslim countries, but are often treated as heroes by devout followers of Muhammad.

Of course, 9/11 was neither the first nor the last time that Muslims have killed Americans on U.S. soil in terror attacks. In fact, since that day, Muslims have killed at least 66 people in 40 separate acts of terrorism in the United States (by the standards that Muslim-American groups set for hate crimes). Perhaps more importantly, there have been plenty of mass murder plots against Americans by Islamic terrorists that were thwarted by the FBI, law enforcement and overseas intelligence operations both before and after 9/11, as well as several that were simply botched, such as the attempt to blow up Times Square.

By contrast, Muslim-Americans do not appear to be in any special danger from murderous (non-Muslim) religious fanatics, even in a nation awash in firearms. Identity groups, such as CAIR, whine incessantly about relatively trivial incidents while turning a blind eye to the horrible violence that is meted out daily in the name of their religion. This distasteful petulance offers insight not only into the character of Islam, but also the America's impressive religious tolerance.

For anyone wondering about the history of deadly Islamic terror on American soil in the last 40 years, here's what we could find:





Description

4/14/1972 USA New York, NY 1 3 Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one.
1/19/1973 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 1 Muslim extremists rob a sporting goods store for weapons, gunning down a police officer who responds to the alarm.
7/1/1973 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 An Israeli diplomat is gunned down in his driveway by Palestinian terrorists.
7/18/1973 USA Washington, DC 8 2 Nation of Islam members shoot seven members of a family to death in cold blood, including four children. A defendant in the case is later murdered in prison on orders from Elijah Muhammad.
10/19/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 Nation of Islam terrorists kidnap a couple and nearly decapitate the man, while raping and leaving the woman for dead.
10/29/1973 USA Berkeley, CA 1 0 A woman is shot repeatedly in the face by Nation of Islam terrorists.
11/25/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A grocer is killed in his store by Nation of Islam terrorists.
12/11/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is killed by Nation of Islam terrorists while using a phone booth.
12/13/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A woman is shot to death on the sidewalk by Nation of Islam terrorists.
12/20/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 Nation of Islam terrorists gun down an 81-year-old janitor.
12/22/1973 USA Oakland, CA 2 0 Nation of Islam terrorist kills two people in separate attacks on the same day.
12/24/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is kidnapped, tortured and decapitated by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1/24/1974 USA Oakland, CA 4 1 Five vicious shooting attacks by Nation of Islam terrorists leave three people dead and one paralyzed for life. Three of the victims were women.
4/1/1974 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 A Nation of Islam terrorist shoots at two Salvation Army members, killing a man and injuring a woman.
4/16/1974 USA Ingleside, CA 1 0 A man is killed while helping a friend move by Nation of Islam terrorists.
3/9/1977 USA Washington, DC 1 1 Hanifi Muslims storm three buildings including a B'nai B'rith to hold 134 people hostage. At least two innocents were shot and one died.
7/22/1980 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 A political dissident is shot and killed in front of his home by an Iranian agent who was an American convert to Islam.
8/31/1980 USA Savou, IL 2 0 An Iranian student guns down his next-door neighbors, a husband and wife.
11/6/1989 USA St. Louis, MO 1 0 A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American.
1/31/1990 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.
11/5/1990 USA New York City, NY 1 0 An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel.
1/25/1993 USA Langley, VA 2 3 A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters.
2/26/1993 USA New York, NY 6 1040 Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers.
3/1/1994 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 0 A Muslim gunman targets a van packed with Jewish boys, killing a 16-year-old.
3/23/1997 USA New York, NY 1 6 A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack.
4/3/1997 USA Lompoc, CA 1 0 A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim.
3/17/2000 USA Atlanta, GA 1 1 A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner.
9/11/2001 USA Washington, DC 184 53 Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.
9/11/2001 USA Shanksville, PA 40 0 Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.
9/11/2001 USA New York, NY 2752 251 Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.
3/19/2002 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.
5/27/2002 USA Denton, TX 1 0 Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.
7/4/2002 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.
9/5/2002 USA Clinton, MD 1 0 A 55-year-old pizzaria owner is shot six times in the back by Muslims at close range.
9/21/2002 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.
9/23/2002 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.
10/2/2002 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.
10/3/2002 USA Montgomery County, MD 5 0 Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.
10/9/2002 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.
10/11/2002 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.
10/14/2002 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.
10/22/2002 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.
8/6/2003 USA Houston, TX 1 0 After undergoing a 'religious revival', a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.
12/2/2003 USA Chicago, IL 1 0 A Muslim doctor deliberately allows a Jewish patient to die from an easily treatable condition.
4/13/2004 USA Raleigh, NC 1 4 An angry Muslim runs down five strangers with a car.
4/15/2004 USA Scottsville, NY 1 2 In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.
6/16/2006 USA Baltimore, MD 1 0 A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim gunman in an unprovoked terror attack.
6/25/2006 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
7/28/2006 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.
2/13/2007 USA Salt Lake City, UT 5 4 A Muslim immigrant goes on a shooting rampage at a mall, targeting people buying Valentine's Day cards at a gift shop and killing five.
1/1/2008 USA Irving, TX 2 0 A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.
7/6/2008 USA Jonesboro, GA 1 0 A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.
2/12/2009 USA Buffalo, NY 1 0 The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.
4/12/2009 USA Phoenix, AZ 2 0 A man shoots his brother-in-law and another man to death after finding out that they visited a strip club, in contradiction to Islamic values.
6/1/2009 USA Little Rock, AR 1 1 A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.
11/2/2009 USA Glendale, AZ 1 1 A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09)
11/5/2009 USA Ft. Hood, TX 13 31 A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.
12/4/2009 USA Binghamton, NY 1 0 A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims.
4/14/2010 USA Marquette Park, IL 5 2 After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to 'take them back to Allah' and out of the 'world of sinners'.
4/30/2011 USA Warren, MI 1 0 A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices.
9/11/2011 USA Waltham, MA 3 0 Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists.
1/15/2012 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim.
2/7/2013 USA Buena Vista, NJ 2 0 A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.
3/24/2013 USA Ashtabula, OH 1 0 A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.
4/15/2013 USA Boston, MA 3 264 Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.
4/19/2013 USA Boston, MA 1 1 Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.
8/4/2013 USA Richmond, CA 1 0 A convert "on a mission from Allah" stabs a store clerk to death.
3/6/2014 USA Port Bolivar, TX 2 0 A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning samesexuality.
4/27/2014 USA Skyway, WA 1 0 A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic.
6/1/2014 USA Seattle, WA 2 0 Two samesexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist.
6/25/2014 USA West Orange, NJ 1 0 A 19-year-old college student is shot to death 'in revenge' for Muslim deaths overseas.

(3,106 killed by Muslims in America in 74 terror attacks)

See also List of Jihadists and Terror Sympathizers in America by DC Watson
and
List of Americans Killed by Palestinian Terrorists

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    guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,187 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It is actually readable this way.

    quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag

    4/14/1972 USA New York, NY 1 3 Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one.

    1/19/1973 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 1 Muslim extremists rob a sporting goods store for weapons, gunning down a police officer who responds to the alarm.

    7/1/1973 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 An Israeli diplomat is gunned down in his driveway by Palestinian terrorists.

    7/18/1973 USA Washington, DC 8 2 Nation of Islam members shoot seven members of a family to death in cold blood, including four children. A defendant in the case is later murdered in prison on orders from Elijah Muhammad.

    10/19/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 Nation of Islam terrorists kidnap a couple and nearly decapitate the man, while raping and leaving the woman for dead.

    10/29/1973 USA Berkeley, CA 1 0 A woman is shot repeatedly in the face by Nation of Islam terrorists.

    11/25/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A grocer is killed in his store by Nation of Islam terrorists.

    12/11/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is killed by Nation of Islam terrorists while using a phone booth.

    12/13/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A woman is shot to death on the sidewalk by Nation of Islam terrorists.

    12/20/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 Nation of Islam terrorists gun down an 81-year-old janitor.

    12/22/1973 USA Oakland, CA 2 0 Nation of Islam terrorist kills two people in separate attacks on the same day.

    12/24/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is kidnapped, tortured and decapitated by Nation of Islam terrorists.

    1/24/1974 USA Oakland, CA 4 1 Five vicious shooting attacks by Nation of Islam terrorists leave three people dead and one paralyzed for life. Three of the victims were women.

    4/1/1974 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 A Nation of Islam terrorist shoots at two Salvation Army members, killing a man and injuring a woman.

    4/16/1974 USA Ingleside, CA 1 0 A man is killed while helping a friend move by Nation of Islam terrorists.

    3/9/1977 USA Washington, DC 1 1 Hanifi Muslims storm three buildings including a B'nai B'rith to hold 134 people hostage. At least two innocents were shot and one died.

    7/22/1980 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 A political dissident is shot and killed in front of his home by an Iranian agent who was an American convert to Islam.

    8/31/1980 USA Savou, IL 2 0 An Iranian student guns down his next-door neighbors, a husband and wife.

    11/6/1989 USA St. Louis, MO 1 0 A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American.

    1/31/1990 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.

    11/5/1990 USA New York City, NY 1 0 An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel.

    1/25/1993 USA Langley, VA 2 3 A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters.

    2/26/1993 USA New York, NY 6 1040 Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers.

    3/1/1994 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 0 A Muslim gunman targets a van packed with Jewish boys, killing a 16-year-old.

    3/23/1997 USA New York, NY 1 6 A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack.

    4/3/1997 USA Lompoc, CA 1 0 A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim.

    3/17/2000 USA Atlanta, GA 1 1 A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner.

    9/11/2001 USA Washington, DC 184 53 Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.

    9/11/2001 USA Shanksville, PA 40 0 Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.

    9/11/2001 USA New York, NY 2752 251 Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.

    3/19/2002 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.

    5/27/2002 USA Denton, TX 1 0 Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.

    7/4/2002 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.

    9/5/2002 USA Clinton, MD 1 0 A 55-year-old pizzaria owner is shot six times in the back by Muslims at close range.

    9/21/2002 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.

    9/23/2002 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.

    10/2/2002 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.

    10/3/2002 USA Montgomery County, MD 5 0 Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.

    10/9/2002 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.

    10/11/2002 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.

    10/14/2002 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.

    10/22/2002 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.

    8/6/2003 USA Houston, TX 1 0 After undergoing a 'religious revival', a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.

    12/2/2003 USA Chicago, IL 1 0 A Muslim doctor deliberately allows a Jewish patient to die from an easily treatable condition.
    4/13/2004 USA Raleigh, NC 1 4 An angry Muslim runs down five strangers with a car.

    4/15/2004 USA Scottsville, NY 1 2 In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.

    6/16/2006 USA Baltimore, MD 1 0 A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim gunman in an unprovoked terror attack.

    6/25/2006 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.

    7/28/2006 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.

    2/13/2007 USA Salt Lake City, UT 5 4 A Muslim immigrant goes on a shooting rampage at a mall, targeting people buying Valentine's Day cards at a gift shop and killing five.

    1/1/2008 USA Irving, TX 2 0 A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.

    7/6/2008 USA Jonesboro, GA 1 0 A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.

    2/12/2009 USA Buffalo, NY 1 0 The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.

    4/12/2009 USA Phoenix, AZ 2 0 A man shoots his brother-in-law and another man to death after finding out that they visited a strip club, in contradiction to Islamic values.

    6/1/2009 USA Little Rock, AR 1 1 A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.

    11/2/2009 USA Glendale, AZ 1 1 A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09)

    11/5/2009 USA Ft. Hood, TX 13 31 A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.

    12/4/2009 USA Binghamton, NY 1 0 A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims.

    4/14/2010 USA Marquette Park, IL 5 2 After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to 'take them back to Allah' and out of the 'world of sinners'.

    4/30/2011 USA Warren, MI 1 0 A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices.

    9/11/2011 USA Waltham, MA 3 0 Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists.

    1/15/2012 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim.

    2/7/2013 USA Buena Vista, NJ 2 0 A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.

    3/24/2013 USA Ashtabula, OH 1 0 A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.

    4/15/2013 USA Boston, MA 3 264 Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.

    4/19/2013 USA Boston, MA 1 1 Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.

    8/4/2013 USA Richmond, CA 1 0 A convert "on a mission from Allah" stabs a store clerk to death.

    3/6/2014 USA Port Bolivar, TX 2 0 A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning samesexuality.

    4/27/2014 USA Skyway, WA 1 0 A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic.

    6/1/2014 USA Seattle, WA 2 0 Two samesexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist.

    6/25/2014 USA West Orange, NJ 1 0 A 19-year-old college student is shot to death 'in revenge' for Muslim deaths overseas.

    (3,106 killed by Muslims in America in 74 terror attacks)


    All Pages Copyrighted c2002 - 2015 Site developed by TheReligionofPeace.com
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    Smitty500magSmitty500mag Member Posts: 13,603 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Or you can just click on the link I provided. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    chollagardenschollagardens Member Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    One terrorist attack not mentioned, because it did not kill anyone, was the bombing of a car that belonged to the wife of a Navy officer stationed in San Diego Ca. The California politicians, in their wisdom, decided someone must be punished. So it is now required that anyone buying gun powder in San Diego County must fill out a form and sign it.
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    guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,187 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
    Or you can just click on the link I provided. icon_rolleyes.gif





    then why bother posting that unreadable glob above?
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    BikerBobBikerBob Member Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Maybe because not everyone follows the links?

    I think you may be mistakenly putting style over the substance that Smitty was trying to convey.
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    mark christianmark christian Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 24,456 ******
    edited November -1
    Now I always get in trouble when I remember something, but I'm going to do it anyway.

    As I recall, we were told very clearly in the forum that one of the "benefits" of 100 billion bucks we were flushing down the Iraqi toilet every year was that (in effect):
    It is better to fight the terrorists in Iraq rather than in the United States. From the day we entered Iraq, there has not be a singe terrorist attack on US soil so that money going to Iraq is well spent.

    Now I'm looking at that list and I sure see a lot of dates between 2003 and our departure in 2011. What's up with that?
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    Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,372 ******
    edited November -1
    They failed to add the most recent one.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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    kristovkristov Member Posts: 6,633
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mark christian
    Now I always get in trouble when I remember something, but I'm going to do it anyway.

    As I recall, we were told very clearly in the forum that one of the "benefits" of 100 billion bucks we were flushing down the Iraqi toilet every year was that (in effect):
    It is better to fight the terrorists in Iraq rather than in the United States. From the day we entered Iraq, there has not be a singe terrorist attack on US soil so that money going to Iraq is well spent.

    Now I'm looking at that list and I sure see a lot of dates between 2003 and our departure in 2011. What's up with that?



    Oh Mark, that will be as well received as mentioning that John McCain is anti gun and pro amnesty...It just won't work now.

    I recall the "No attack since Iraq" chant, and one of the mainstays was ECC, the former moderator. I don't know if his thread telling me that we are safe from terror as long as we stay in Iraq is still around somewhere, he had a habit of deleting anything that he didn't want to read. Or was it his wife? Since he'd given her his moderator password, you never could tell who was moderating that night.
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    Smitty500magSmitty500mag Member Posts: 13,603 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by guntech59
    quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
    Or you can just click on the link I provided. icon_rolleyes.gif





    then why bother posting that unreadable glob above?



    Go start your own thread and don't worry about mine.
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    Dads3040Dads3040 Member Posts: 13,552 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by kristov
    quote:Originally posted by mark christian
    Now I always get in trouble when I remember something, but I'm going to do it anyway.

    As I recall, we were told very clearly in the forum that one of the "benefits" of 100 billion bucks we were flushing down the Iraqi toilet every year was that (in effect):
    It is better to fight the terrorists in Iraq rather than in the United States. From the day we entered Iraq, there has not be a singe terrorist attack on US soil so that money going to Iraq is well spent.

    Now I'm looking at that list and I sure see a lot of dates between 2003 and our departure in 2011. What's up with that?



    Oh Mark, that will be as well received as mentioning that John McCain is anti gun and pro amnesty...It just won't work now.

    I recall the "No attack since Iraq" chant, and one of the mainstays was ECC, the former moderator. I don't know if his thread telling me that we are safe from terror as long as we stay in Iraq is still around somewhere, he had a habit of deleting anything that he didn't want to read. Or was it his wife? Since he'd given her his moderator password, you never could tell who was moderating that night.

    When I look at the list, the biggest loss of life was 9/11/2001. Which was before we were in Iraq.

    I wonder what we did that drove those poor folks to slaughter our fellow citizens then. Must have been pretty bad.

    The fact that the incidents since 2003 have been far lower level attacks is likely significant to the discussion of cause and effects, but why let reality get in the way of a good narrative? Carry on.
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    guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,187 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
    quote:Originally posted by guntech59
    quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
    Or you can just click on the link I provided. icon_rolleyes.gif





    then why bother posting that unreadable glob above?



    Go start your own thread and don't worry about mine.


    If it was readable you would probably have more than three responses addressing the OP rather than the format.

    As you said....your thread....sorry I tried to help.[B)]
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    guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,187 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by BikerBob
    Maybe because not everyone follows the links?

    I think you may be mistakenly putting style over the substance that Smitty was trying to convey.


    No mistake. Format is not style.

    I made it easier to read for those that do not click on links.
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    mark christianmark christian Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 24,456 ******
    edited November -1
    I'm going out on a limb here with another narrative. I knew the first one wouldn't be popular.

    We've been told by those who make these issues their primary reason for being in the forums, that illegal aliens are killing twelve Americans each day:

    http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=455042

    Even my public school math makes it add up to 4,380 per year, or several hundred more than the total killed by Muslims in the long 42 year list we were shown. There is no reason to doubt that list, the folks with those kinds of agendas are pretty thorough.

    My numbers show that in those 42 years an average of 72 Americans each year were killed by Muslims, verses 4,380 killed each year by illegal aliens.

    Not to discount those yearly 72 lost lives, but taking into account the over $500 billion pissed away in Iraq (we won't even count Afghanistan), and the tragic loss of over 4,000 American fighting men and women as well as those who were injured and maimed, wouldn't those same resources have been far more productive for our safety and security if spent securing our own borders? We'd suffer the tragic loss of a GB religious agenda, but we'd be a whole lot safer, and it would be a whole lot cheaper.
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    Dads3040Dads3040 Member Posts: 13,552 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Possibly Mark, but your question fails to take into consideration the unknown results of NOT being in Iraq, as well as the assumption that what was spent over there would actually be spent increasing our security at home.

    Basing a question on one very important unknown, and one assumption made unlikely by the absence of political will to do anything with the laws and resources we have, makes it unanswerable.
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    mark christianmark christian Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 24,456 ******
    edited November -1
    I'm afraid that I see this whole region in the Middle East as being the same as Southeast Asia was when I was a young man. And endless quagmire of changing alliances and allegiances and a bottomless pit that swallows up American money, but more importantly the lives of our fighting men and women. The money really means squat, we can always print more paper with pictures of dead presidents, but if we are going to put our fighting men (and women) at risk in some foreign hell hole, it has to be for more than 72 lost lives each year. There are probably ten times more people falling off ladders and dying each year than 72 (I don't have any figures, I'm just guessing).

    The entire price tag of the new 700 mile fence along the US-Mexico border was supposed to be (I think) $3 billion, but that was too much money so only selective portions of the fence were built. $3 billion is too much for a fence to protect our border? We probably gave $3 billion in arms and equipment to the puppet troops of out Iraqi stooge government--The biggest bunch of idiots since the clowns we propped up in Saigon. I'm sure most of that $3 billion in arms and equipment has either been abandoned, or simply handed over directly to ISIS.

    The whole War on Terror (Bush Speak)/War on Islam (GB Speak) is a loser. It was a loser from day one and it will continue to be so.
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    Aspen79seAspen79se Member Posts: 4,707
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mark christian
    The whole War on Terror (Bush Speak)/War on Islam (GB Speak) is a loser. It was a loser from day one and it will continue to be so.


    Have you seen a thread about the Civil War?

    There's no way to recork what Bush Jr. unleashed. It's Persian against Arab, ans Sunnie agaisnt Shie. Century long feuds which won't be solved with more dead bodies.
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    mark christianmark christian Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 24,456 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mark christian
    There are probably ten times more people falling off ladders and dying each year than 72 (I don't have any figures, I'm just guessing).





    I'm always happy to admit an error. According to the International Association of Certified Home Inspectors, Inc.

    http://www.nachi.org/ladder-safety.htm

    300 Americans are killed each year by ladders, or roughly one each day, and not the 700 per year that I guessed at. I am a bit surprised at the 164,000 yearly emergency room treated injuries resulting from ladder accidents. There must be a lot of Muslims sabotaging ladders to generate that number of injuries [;)].
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