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jwharding
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I think you will get a kick out of this DAM thing.....
>You may have seen this before, but if not, it's
>definitely worth the read!
>
>This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan
>DeVries by the Michigan Department of Environmental
>Quality, State of Michigan. This guys response is
>hilarious, but read the State's letter before you
>get to the response letter.
>
>SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec.20;
>Montcalm County
>
>Dear Mr. DeVries:
>It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental
>Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the
>above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as
>the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized
>activity:
>
>Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams
>across the outlet stream of Spring Pond.
>
>A permit must be issued prior to the start of this
>type of activity. A review of the Department's files
>shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the
>Department has determined that this activity is in
>violation Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the
>Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act,
>Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections
>324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled
>Laws, annotated.
>
>The Department has been informed that one or both of
>the dams partially failed during a recent rain event,
>causing debris and flooding at downstream locations.
>We find that dams of this nature are inherently
>hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department
>therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities
>at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow
>condition by removing all wood and brush forming the
>dams from the stream channel. All restoration work
>shall be completed no later than January 31, 2003.
>
>Please notify this office when the restoration has
>been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may
>be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this
>request or any further unauthorized activity on the site
>may result in this case being referred for elevated
>enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate
>your full cooperation in this matter.
>
>Please feel free to contact me at this office if you
>have any questions.
>
>Sincerely,
>David L. Price
>District Representative Land and Water Management Division
>
>
>** This is the actual response sent back: **
>
>Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N ; R10W, Sec. 20;
>Montcalm County.
>
>Dear Mr. Price:
>
>Your certified letter dated 12/17/02 has been handed
>to me to respond to.
>
>I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at
>2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan. A couple of beavers
>are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing
>and maintaining two wood debris dams across the outlet
>stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize,
>nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be
>highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures
>building materials debris. I would like to challenge your
>department to attempt to emulate their dam project any
>time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely
>state there is no way you could ever match their dam
>skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity,
>their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or
>their dam work ethic.
>
>As to your request, I do not think the beavers are
>aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior
>to the start of this type of dam activity.
>
>My first dam question to you is: (1) Are you trying
>to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers or (2)
>do you require all beavers throughout this State to
>conform to said dam request?
>
>If you are not discriminating against these particular
>beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I
>request completed copies of all those other applicable
>beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we
>will see if there really is a dam violation of Part
>301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource
>and environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the
>Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to
>324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated.
>
>I have several concerns. My first concern is ...
>aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation?
>The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and
>are unable to pay for said representation, so the
>State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer.
>The Department's dam concern that either one or both of
>the dams failed during a recent rain event causing
>flooding is proof that this is a natural occurrence,
>which the Department is required to protect. In other
>words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone
>rather than harassing them and calling their dam names.
>
>If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow
>condition please contact the beavers, but if you are
>going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any
>attention to your dam letter .... they being unable
>to read English.
>
>In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a
>right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the
>sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows
>downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to
>live and enjoy Spring Pond.
>
>If the Department of Natural Resources and Environmental Protection
>Lives up to its name, it should protect the natural resources (Beavers)
>and the environment (Beavers' Dams).
>
>So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this
>dam case can be referred for more elevated enforcement
>action right now. Why wait until 1/31/2003? The Spring
>Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then and there
>will be no way for you or your dam staff to
>contact/harass them then.
>
>In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention to a real
>environmental quality (health) problem in the area. It is the
>bears! Bears are actually defecating in our woods.
>
>I definitely believe you should be persecuting the
>defecating bears and leave the beavers alone. If you
>are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your
>step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!)
>
>Being unable to comply with your dam request, and
>being unable to contact you on your dam answering
>machine, I am sending this response to your dam
>office.
>
>Thank You,
>Ryan DeVries &The Dam Beavers
>You may have seen this before, but if not, it's
>definitely worth the read!
>
>This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan
>DeVries by the Michigan Department of Environmental
>Quality, State of Michigan. This guys response is
>hilarious, but read the State's letter before you
>get to the response letter.
>
>SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec.20;
>Montcalm County
>
>Dear Mr. DeVries:
>It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental
>Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the
>above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as
>the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized
>activity:
>
>Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams
>across the outlet stream of Spring Pond.
>
>A permit must be issued prior to the start of this
>type of activity. A review of the Department's files
>shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the
>Department has determined that this activity is in
>violation Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the
>Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act,
>Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections
>324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled
>Laws, annotated.
>
>The Department has been informed that one or both of
>the dams partially failed during a recent rain event,
>causing debris and flooding at downstream locations.
>We find that dams of this nature are inherently
>hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department
>therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities
>at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow
>condition by removing all wood and brush forming the
>dams from the stream channel. All restoration work
>shall be completed no later than January 31, 2003.
>
>Please notify this office when the restoration has
>been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may
>be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this
>request or any further unauthorized activity on the site
>may result in this case being referred for elevated
>enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate
>your full cooperation in this matter.
>
>Please feel free to contact me at this office if you
>have any questions.
>
>Sincerely,
>David L. Price
>District Representative Land and Water Management Division
>
>
>** This is the actual response sent back: **
>
>Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N ; R10W, Sec. 20;
>Montcalm County.
>
>Dear Mr. Price:
>
>Your certified letter dated 12/17/02 has been handed
>to me to respond to.
>
>I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at
>2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan. A couple of beavers
>are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing
>and maintaining two wood debris dams across the outlet
>stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize,
>nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be
>highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures
>building materials debris. I would like to challenge your
>department to attempt to emulate their dam project any
>time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely
>state there is no way you could ever match their dam
>skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity,
>their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or
>their dam work ethic.
>
>As to your request, I do not think the beavers are
>aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior
>to the start of this type of dam activity.
>
>My first dam question to you is: (1) Are you trying
>to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers or (2)
>do you require all beavers throughout this State to
>conform to said dam request?
>
>If you are not discriminating against these particular
>beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I
>request completed copies of all those other applicable
>beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we
>will see if there really is a dam violation of Part
>301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource
>and environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the
>Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to
>324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated.
>
>I have several concerns. My first concern is ...
>aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation?
>The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and
>are unable to pay for said representation, so the
>State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer.
>The Department's dam concern that either one or both of
>the dams failed during a recent rain event causing
>flooding is proof that this is a natural occurrence,
>which the Department is required to protect. In other
>words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone
>rather than harassing them and calling their dam names.
>
>If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow
>condition please contact the beavers, but if you are
>going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any
>attention to your dam letter .... they being unable
>to read English.
>
>In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a
>right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the
>sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows
>downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to
>live and enjoy Spring Pond.
>
>If the Department of Natural Resources and Environmental Protection
>Lives up to its name, it should protect the natural resources (Beavers)
>and the environment (Beavers' Dams).
>
>So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this
>dam case can be referred for more elevated enforcement
>action right now. Why wait until 1/31/2003? The Spring
>Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then and there
>will be no way for you or your dam staff to
>contact/harass them then.
>
>In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention to a real
>environmental quality (health) problem in the area. It is the
>bears! Bears are actually defecating in our woods.
>
>I definitely believe you should be persecuting the
>defecating bears and leave the beavers alone. If you
>are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your
>step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!)
>
>Being unable to comply with your dam request, and
>being unable to contact you on your dam answering
>machine, I am sending this response to your dam
>office.
>
>Thank You,
>Ryan DeVries &The Dam Beavers
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I have been shooting for a long time, in all conditions, and have NEVER started a fire with plain old gunfire!!! Tracer, yes, but never normal ammo.
I CALL BS!!!!!
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