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1858 sheriff
danielgage
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Drobs or anyone else that cares I got my 1858 sheriff .44 caliber in from Cabelas with leather holster and spare cylinder and the Cabelas .44 caliber black powder revolver starter kit
any advice before I go shooting
I have shot muzzle-loading rifles for many years but this is my first black powder pistol
any advice before I go shooting
I have shot muzzle-loading rifles for many years but this is my first black powder pistol
Comments
I not as fast as him yet
very good advice what next [:D]
Peace
Dan
http://www.geojohn.org/BlackPowder/bps1.html
how to grease your balls (or why you shouldn't) and his adventures with Crisco. 'specially articles 2, 3 and 4.
Them chain fires will take your breath away![:0]
Sounds like the adventure begins and remember to grease over the top of your loaded cylinders.
Them chain fires will take your breath away![:0]
chain fires sound like a scary thing
been reading up on how to avoid them
Sounds like the adventure begins and remember to grease over the top of your loaded cylinders.
Them chain fires will take your breath away![:0]
Yes, they certainly will. I was never a black powder shooter but got the bug to fire some round ball in my 1st Gen US marked Colt and loaded a cylinder full of black powder with only the ball over the powder. The first shot was a thrilling experience. The chamber under the hammer fired along with both side chambers. Only damage was a splash of lead on the right side chamber which removed fairly easily. Thank heaven they all didn't fire.
Peace
Dan
Why I don't shoot cap 'n ball pistols
I'd been looking at a pretty, brass-framed BP percussion revolver
in the case at Shattuck's Hardware for a couple of months, and boy was I ever
proud the day I went in and plunked down the money for it! Eleven dollars in
one dollar bills... and eighteen dollars in quarter and dimes. Old man Shattuck
was a great old guy, whose eyesight, thankfully, had gotten really bad over
the years... he didn't recognize me as he sold me the .36 caliber pistol... he
even threw in a box of pure lead balls with the pistol and percussion caps
when I bought the pound of black powder.
I told Mr. Shattuck that I was anxious to shoot it and was heading
straight for the dump, and asked him to show me how to load the gun. "It's
pretty simple," I recall him telling me. "You measure your powder into the
cylinder chamber, put a bullet over it, ram it down in with the hinged thing
under the barrel, put your cap over a nipple, and you're set to shoot." I
thanked him for his help and headed for the door. "One last thing!" he called
to me as I was running out the door, "Don't forget to put grease over your
balls! Crisco works fine!" I didn't understand the need for the last part, but
I stopped at Tony's Grocery and bought a little blue can of Crisco. And now...
to the dump! Where bottles and cans, rats and crows were just waiting for
this ol' cowboy to do 'em in!
I replayed Mr. Shattuck's instructions in my head as I laid out all my gear
on the smoothed-out brown paper bag at my feet. The first thing I realized
was that I didn't have anything to measure the powder with... UNTIL I
remembered my knife! I carried one of those folding stag handled camper's
knives - you know, the ones with a fork on one side and a spoon on the other?
The spoon was perfect for what I needed! Very carefully (thank heaven
there wasn't any wind blowing) I poured a spoonful of powder from the can
into the spoon, then tipped the spoon up and tapped the powder into the
cylinder. Sure, I spilled a bunch over because the spoon held so much more,
but what the heck! Powder was cheap, back then... and I had plenty to
spare...
Being a methodical kind of kid, I filled all six chambers with the powder,
managing to spill as much around my feet, I suppose, as I was getting into
the cylinder. I can laugh now, but when I bent over to get the bullets all the
powder fell out of the cylinders onto my boots... so I had to fill them all over
again! I managed to get all the chambers filled with powder and then stuck a
bullet into the first cylinder... I had to really tap it in with the butt of my
knife to get it started... then shoved it in as far as it would go with the
rammer thingy. I lost a little powder in the process, but eventually I had all
six chambers loaded and ready to go. Then I put percussion caps over the
things sticking out the ends of the cylinders... Oops! I forgot a couple of
things! Why I was supposed to smear Crisco on my balls is still a mystery to
me. But I figured Old Man Shattuck knew what he was on about, so I looked
around to make sure I was alone, then dropped my pants to my knees, opened
the can of Crisco and began to smear it over Lefty and Righty. Standing
there in the hot summer sun, slowly massaging soft, silky grease into my
scrotum... gee WHIZ! I guess the old man knew what he was talking about
after all ! Welcome to the joys of shooting!
I had to force myself out of my reverie...
One last thing and then I'd be ready to shoot... I took my baseball cap off
and stuffed it inside my shirt over my left nipple. Okay... I guessed I was
ready (except, of course, that in my haste I'd forgotten to pull up my
pants...)
Well sir, I crooked my left am out in front of my face, rested the trigger
guard of the pistol in my right hand, drew a tight bead on an old Four Roses
bottle, and squeezed the trigger. I remember a bright flash, a burning
sensation on my arm and face, then something hit me square in the forehead
and the lights went out.
It must have been quite sometime later when I awoke. I was laid out
across the back seat of Sheriff Miller's car (I knew this from the plexiglass
partition and a previous ride when I was sixteen), one door was open
and my feet and lower legs were hanging out. As I raised my head to look for
the source of the voices I heard, I felt like someone had hit me in the head
with a sledgehammer. I could see two men in the dim, evening light, just
outside and within my range of vision. At least, I thought they were two
men... I could hear two voices speaking but they were sorta spinning around
and they looked like six. From the voices, I knew they were Sheriff Miller
and my Dad... "... busy on another call so the volunteer fire department was
the first out here." I heard the Sheriff explaining to my dad. "Mabel
Krutchner called it in... said she saw smoke comin' from the dump and had
heard an awful explosion over this way."
"Near as I can tell from what the firemen say, when they got here they
found your boy lying over there. At first they thought he was dead. The
dump was on fire all around him, his left arm and face were all black, his
boots were scorched pretty badly, he had a HUGE knot on his forehead
where somebody'd cold-cocked him... And... well, we think the boy's been...
well, taken advantage of."
"What do you mean 'Taken advantage of ' ? I heard my dad ask.
"Well, Al, it's like this," the Sheriff said. "The first men to get to your boy
said he was unconscious; they found part of a gun by his body, his pants were
down around his ankles, his crotch was smeared with KY Jelly and he was
sportin' a big *..."
Then I heard Mr. Shattuck's voice. "I always knew there was something
wrong with that boy...This will probably keep him out of the army..."
And THAT'S why I don't shoot cap 'n ball pistols.
What make is your pistol?
OK grease em up got it
Put Crisco over your balls too!
So this Sheriff came in and had several vicious gunfights with the bad guys. All they guys were shown with cap and ball revolvers. I thought that was interesting since the revolutionary 1873 Colt cartridge revolver was brought out 8 years earlier. I guess a lot of the guys held on to their cap and ball pistols.
And with good reason. I read a book by Elmer Keith, he grew up in Montana and back around 1910 he had several the War of Northern Aggression veterans living in his town.
They still carried their cap and ball pistols and they said that the round ball was more deadly than any of the modern cartridge guns.
Indeed, during the War of Northern Aggression troops were issued "cartridges" which were an elongated bullet and powder wrapped up in paper. Made reloading easier.
These combat veterans said the big elongated slugs were good for foraging and would really drop a big cow if you shot it in the head.
But, for fighting they said nothing was better than the round ball. They said that a single torso hit from the round ball would knock the enemy trooper out of the saddle, and out of the fight.
I have 2 .44 cap and ball pistols that I keep loaded for household defense. One is a Pietta and it is a real nice pistol
Drobs or anyone else that cares I got my 1858 sheriff .44 caliber in from Cabelas with leather holster and spare cylinder and the Cabelas .44 caliber black powder revolver starter kit
any advice before I go shooting
I have shot muzzle-loading rifles for many years but this is my first black powder pistol
Congrats on the pistol. Post up some pics.
Which holster did you go with?
I should've wrote in my email - don't forget the eye and ear protection. Them things are loud!
Here's some disassembly and cleaning videos:
I shoot an 1858 Confederate Navy .44. [:D]
quote:Originally posted by danielgage
Drobs or anyone else that cares I got my 1858 sheriff .44 caliber in from Cabelas with leather holster and spare cylinder and the Cabelas .44 caliber black powder revolver starter kit
any advice before I go shooting
I have shot muzzle-loading rifles for many years but this is my first black powder pistol
Congrats on the pistol. Post up some pics.
Which holster did you go with?
I should've wrote in my email - don't forget the eye and ear protection. Them things are loud!
Here's some disassembly and cleaning videos:
thanks I cant do pictures but these websites have some
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Pietta-Model-New-Army-Caliber-Black-Powder-Revolver-with-Starter-Kit/705821.uts?searchPath=/browse.cmd?categoryId=734095080&CQ_search=pietta+model+1858+new+army+_p44+caliber+sheriff&CQ_st=b#tabsCollection
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Triple-K-Leather-Holster-for-Remington-Style-Black-Powder-Revolvers-with-Barrels/1217859.uts?searchPath=/browse.cmd?categoryId=734095080&CQ_search=leather+holster+for&CQ_st=b
I was watching a documentary the other day on a Sheriff in El Paso in 1881. Tough town, was also known as "Hell Paso."
So this Sheriff came in and had several vicious gunfights with the bad guys. All they guys were shown with cap and ball revolvers. I thought that was interesting since the revolutionary 1873 Colt cartridge revolver was brought out 8 years earlier. I guess a lot of the guys held on to their cap and ball pistols.
And with good reason. I read a book by Elmer Keith, he grew up in Montana and back around 1910 he had several the War of Northern Aggression veterans living in his town.
They still carried their cap and ball pistols and they said that the round ball was more deadly than any of the modern cartridge guns.
Indeed, during the War of Northern Aggression troops were issued "cartridges" which were an elongated bullet and powder wrapped up in paper. Made reloading easier.
These combat veterans said the big elongated slugs were good for foraging and would really drop a big cow if you shot it in the head.
But, for fighting they said nothing was better than the round ball. They said that a single torso hit from the round ball would knock the enemy trooper out of the saddle, and out of the fight.
I have 2 .44 cap and ball pistols that I keep loaded for household defense. One is a Pietta and it is a real nice pistol
that is interesting Allen thanks
is this a good price or the going rate for them
just asking before I buy
Midway USA has them on sale occasionally.
Currently $259
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1973292272/howell-old-west-conversions-conversion-cylinder-44-caliber-pietta-1858-remington-steel-frame-black-powder-revolver-45-colt-long-colt-6-round
I have a Kirst conversion for my 1858. I'd say it's better setup as you can cut the gun and use it like a SAA. Spendy though at $325.
http://www.kirstkonverter.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=2&cat=1858+Remington+Konverters
Decent price
Midway USA has them on sale occasionally.
Currently $259
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1973292272/howell-old-west-conversions-conversion-cylinder-44-caliber-pietta-1858-remington-steel-frame-black-powder-revolver-45-colt-long-colt-6-round
I have a Kirst conversion for my 1858. I'd say it's better setup as you can cut the gun and use it like a SAA. Spendy though at $325.
http://www.kirstkonverter.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=2&cat=1858+Remington+Konverters
thanks I was just thinking it would be good to have cylinders that I could shoot 45 Long Colts in too
with your Kirst conversion will the original black powder cylinders still work when you want to shoot black powder again
quote:Originally posted by drobs
Decent price
Midway USA has them on sale occasionally.
Currently $259
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1973292272/howell-old-west-conversions-conversion-cylinder-44-caliber-pietta-1858-remington-steel-frame-black-powder-revolver-45-colt-long-colt-6-round
I have a Kirst conversion for my 1858. I'd say it's better setup as you can cut the gun and use it like a SAA. Spendy though at $325.
http://www.kirstkonverter.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=2&cat=1858+Remington+Konverters
thanks I was just thinking it would be good to have cylinders that I could shoot 45 Long Colts in too
with your Kirst conversion will the original black powder cylinders still work when you want to shoot black powder again
Yes Sir - the kirst drops in and out. You can cut the frame to use the loading gate and still use the BP cylinders.
I have shot blackpowder revolvers 40 years, I own 6 right now and shoot them often,,I NEVER grease my cylinder openings unless i am not going to fire it for awhile ,,like hunting with it,,I have never ever had or seen a chainfire if using the correct size ball, when you seat it it should shave a tiny ring off and if it does there is absolutely no way a spark or ember can get around the ball to the powder to set it off.. I started using pyrodex pistol pellets about 10 years ago,,cost a little more than loose powder but it sure does make shooting and cleaning easier.
Same here, been along time since I greased a ball in any revolver. Just as you mention as the ball is sealed if the lead ring comes off the cylinder. Maybe I am throwing the dice, but the grease, butter, beeswax, makes a pretty good mess, and I feel that there is no cleaning difference either way, and you will clean.
Being new to bp revolvers, you may start out and grease to get better acquainted with a process, then do what you are more comfortable with.
Lots of fun.[:D] Really slowed down my rate of fire when .22 skyrocketed. But be careful, one is not enough!
I love shooting the cap and ball revolvers, I prefer the look of the 1860 Army but I like the smaller grip of the 1851 Navy. There are ways to tweek them and make them almost 100% reliable. Just google it and have fun.
quote:Originally posted by sharpshooter039
I have shot blackpowder revolvers 40 years, I own 6 right now and shoot them often,,I NEVER grease my cylinder openings unless i am not going to fire it for awhile ,,like hunting with it,,I have never ever had or seen a chainfire if using the correct size ball, when you seat it it should shave a tiny ring off and if it does there is absolutely no way a spark or ember can get around the ball to the powder to set it off.. I started using pyrodex pistol pellets about 10 years ago,,cost a little more than loose powder but it sure does make shooting and cleaning easier.
Same here, been along time since I greased a ball in any revolver. Just as you mention as the ball is sealed if the lead ring comes off the cylinder. Maybe I am throwing the dice, but the grease, butter, beeswax, makes a pretty good mess, and I feel that there is no cleaning difference either way, and you will clean.
Being new to bp revolvers, you may start out and grease to get better acquainted with a process, then do what you are more comfortable with.
Lots of fun.[:D] Really slowed down my rate of fire when .22 skyrocketed. But be careful, one is not enough!
I agree with these guys in my short 3 years of experience.
I do ball, wad, & powder - no grease.
Only grease I use goes on the cylinder pin or arbor.