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The perfect urban combat rifle?

beltfedbeltfed Member Posts: 690 ✭✭✭
edited February 2004 in General Discussion
Hello Ya'll
Yesterday in ask the experts, I posted a question about the new 16 inch barrel on the springfield M1A. I had two or three good replies on the rifle. Which leads me to ask " WHAT IS THE PERFECT URBAN COMBAT RIFLE?" I lean toward something in 308 cailber, Removable mag. of course. I've never owned a garand, so I cannot speak for them.So guy's what is the perfect urband combat rifle? Thankyou Beltfed
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  • WagionWagion Member Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would say something in .223 just because in an urban environment you are not going to be taking very long shots, could carr more ammo,
    The shorter the better for inside so weapon is capabale of free movement Open sights only no scope and a select fire swith semi, three round and full auto.

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  • jujujuju Member Posts: 6,321 ✭
    edited November -1
    I would go with your name, anything "beltfed"[:D]


    JuJu(who aint gonna stay in an urban environment if it comes to that)
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  • kingjoeykingjoey Member Posts: 8,636
    edited November -1
    SKS-D with a 75rd drum, RPK bipod, etc, etc....it's been keepin' my urban combat zone quiet for a few years now[;)] I would say an M4 or a UMP depending on the ranges in question. For a lot of close urban combat situations a shotgun would be optimal as well.

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  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Pssst...similar to Cooper inventing a need for his Scout Rifle, need for an urban combat rifle is an invention of Petersen Publishing staffers getting $$$, Chivas and Cohibas from Springfield Armory and Bushmaster.
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  • gap1916gap1916 Member Posts: 4,977
    edited November -1
    5.56 or 7.62 X 39. 16 inch barrel hi cap mags. my 2 cents [8D]

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    USMC
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  • mateomasfeomateomasfeo Member Posts: 27,143
    edited November -1
    By Urban I assume you mean house to house? If so -

    Long Gun:

    MP5K

    or maybe

    M4

    Shotgun:

    Benelli M1014

    Pistol:

    HK Tactical - thigh

    HK P7 M13 - backup

    My personal favs...just realized I have a bit of a German streak in me...hmmmmm...



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  • bambihunterbambihunter Member Posts: 10,742 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    MP5-10 (10mm)
    Fanatic collector of the 10mm auto.
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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Watch the news clips of what the Israelis are carrying. They've been at it for some years now. They swapped their two ton Galils and Uzis
    for M16s.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    dangit bambihunter....you beat me to the punch
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  • rldowns3rldowns3 Member Posts: 6,096
    edited November -1
    No need for a rifle....just use a few of these on every building:

    AN-M14 TH3 incendiary hand grenade

    M61 Fragmentation Hand Grenade
    or
    M67 Fragmentation Hand Grenade


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  • bigdaddyjuniorbigdaddyjunior Member Posts: 11,233
    edited November -1
    Bambi, I could have guessed that you would require a 10mm.[:D]
    What would the difference be between an urban combat rifle and a combat rifle? That said I would think that a Thompson model 27 45 cal would be great for close range and sweeping buildings long as you had a sharpshooter with a scoped bolt gun looking out for you. Really though it seems like any combat rifle would do if you just changed the ammo to suit the range and penetration requirements so you are not shooting through 4 walls and killing innocent breakfast eaters at the table.

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  • ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    Something short. I'm a big fan of the Bushmaster Bullpup, but it has a few drawbacks (namely, iron sights that are darn near useless).

    I'd go for an SKS or Krinkov. Something with a bigger bullet than .223 and not as hefty as .308.
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  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ruger PC-4 with Ghost Rings in 40cal.

    Urban Defense you don't want over penetration and killing little old ladies in their rocking chairs.

    I use a PC-9(9mm)with Ghost Rings along with my P-89.
    Cross draw tactical vest with drop leg 30 round pouches.

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  • 0311marine0311marine Member Posts: 3,233
    edited November -1
    MP5SD OR A M4 OR EVEN MAYBE A GALIL

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    SEMPER FI
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  • Red223Red223 Member Posts: 7,946
    edited November -1
    Shrike....if it even works.

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    It's a AR15 that can use mags, beta c mags, and a belt.

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  • sharkman69sharkman69 Member Posts: 858 ✭
    edited November -1
    A selective fire AK47. Unlike a very popular .223 rifle, the AK doesn't need a forward assist to help feeding and jamming problems. Also, the 123 grain .30 caliber bullet does more damage than a 55 grain .22 bullet. It's simple, reliable, and very cost efficient.
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  • gap1916gap1916 Member Posts: 4,977
    edited November -1
    OK Bambihunter,, who makes a MP5/10mm for people like us? [8D]

    Greg
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    USMC
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  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Steyr AUG. Overall length, 27" [:D] Nuff said.

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  • bambihunterbambihunter Member Posts: 10,742 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by gap1916
    OK Bambihunter,, who makes a MP5/10mm for people like us? [8D]


    Nobody... [V]

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    The 10mm - either you've got it, or you don't get it...
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  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    Sako M95 7.62x39mm folding-stock carbine with a Beamshot 1000 Ultra (w/tactical daytime diode) LAM underbarrel, vertical foregrip, and a Kobra reflex collimator sight. If the recoil becomes an issue, add a recoil buffer and Chinese Type-56 cut muzzle brake.

    The M95 is basically the Finnish proving that the AK action still has plenty of room for expansion, and plenty of life left in it.

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    And yes, I know that M95 above isn't the one I just described. The one I described, while entirely possible, exists only in my dreams as far as I know [:D]
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  • WarbirdsWarbirds Member Posts: 16,904 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    call me old fashioned but nothing says hello like a 12 gauge getting the job done.

    R/

    Dave


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  • droptopdroptop Member Posts: 8,363 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not really a urban weapon in this configuration. Really nice F.A. with the 14" bbl and the 100 round beta. Sales picture,, gone but not forgotten.

    Still,, think I'd like an HK entry gun.

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  • airborneairborne Member Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bushmaster M-4.

    BE QUICK - BE DEADLY!!!
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,446 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Uzi SMG and a 12 gauge pump.
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  • njretcopnjretcop Member Posts: 7,975
    edited November -1
    My trusty Russian SKS.......



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  • trooperchintrooperchin Member Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yeah, something like a Bennelli M1 or... how about an Fn-p90

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  • droptopdroptop Member Posts: 8,363 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Select Fire has an interesting combination. This is EXACTLY what the police carry in many foreign countries. The 12 GA is short bareled and is also the weapon of choice for security at homes and banks. No one pays attention to "car alarms",, but Ka-Khunk when chambering a round is a universal language.

    Thinking about it,,, I'd say this would be at the top or near the top as the combination to have. Where I am,, they are experts. Military FN/FAL folders.

    Saw an UZI kept in the file cabinet drawer at the Immigration office. Fits great and a good place to store when on a break.

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  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm with the minority here ... 16" AUG in 5.56:

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    AK bull-pup for something with a bit more "punch":

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  • fishermanbenfishermanben Member Posts: 15,370
    edited November -1
    I gotta throw some love out to Ruger for their Mini-30. Excellent off hand shooter for medium ranges. And Scoped it's still accurate enough at 300yards. It has never jammed on me once. I love my thirty!!!
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  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by kimberkid



    AK bull-pup for something with a bit more "punch":

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    [:0][:0][:0][:D] Now that...is a beautiful weapon.

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  • skipjackoneskipjackone Member Posts: 208 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    M4, select fire. But the AK bullpup and AUG look real handy also. I'll take a full-tilt AK anyday too.

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  • bluecollarbluecollar Member Posts: 70 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    It would have to be a 12 ga. semi-auto indoors, anything outside within 100yds would be put down pretty easy with an SKS

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  • BoltactionManBoltactionMan Member Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The one you have on hand when the s--t hits the fan. You'll know when it happens and you won't be picky.

    KC
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  • Gibbs505Gibbs505 Member Posts: 3,175
    edited November -1
    Not being in the militry, I would go with a Model 94 trapper in 44 mag, or 45LC.
    Don't have access to Militry guns so go with what I can.

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  • plains scoutplains scout Member Posts: 4,563
    edited November -1
    Bushmaster .223 and a number of very long clips. May go with a holodot or tritium sights for night use.

    "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I
    advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives
    boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the
    ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no
    character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of
    your walks." Thomas Jefferson
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  • drobsdrobs Member Posts: 22,613 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Urban SHTF scenario, 75rd drum + a couple 30's in the AK. Spray and pray my way out of here. Though I think I might shed a tear at leaving the AR behind. Maybe could use it as a trade item.

    Regards,
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