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:Is CHINA smuggling counterfeit M-4 rifles?
retroxler58
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LINK quote:A number of AR15s that have been turning up in Iraq appear to be counterfeit products but are in the markets and treated as legitimate production versions of the rifle companies the producers are seeking to counterfeit. Some of them are very small differences, only being distinguished by the wrong roll mark or incorrect engraving. Others are blatantly obvious through the combination of several companies on a single lower.
As an example, the largest indication that we are seeing is an AR15 with a 14.5 inch barrel, Burst selector, and with both Colt markings above the serial number and FN Herstal markings above the selector switch. Although both companies have been making M4s and M4A1s for the U.S. Military, neither of these companies have ever actually combined forces and produced a joint rifle.
We?ll post the glaring examples we have seen so far down below. There are far more examples that are borderline counterfeit, but I don?t want to post them because I just don?t have the in-depth Colt roll mark knowledge to be able to discern whether or not it is genuine.
The largest question we have is where are these rifles coming from. Due to expansive manufacturing operations in China that seek to make one for one copies of everything in the U.S. and European markets, in addition to documented evidence of ATF acquiring counterfeited AR15s in Mexico in 2009, we can reasonably assume that these rifles or parts are being mass produced and being smuggled into Iraq and possibly neighboring countries.
There already is a huge market in Iraq for Chinese Airsoft components and accessories because actual firearm parts cannot be legally imported. However, this is only an assumption and requires much more research and tangible evidence to definitively confirm that certain companies or entities in China are engaging in black market AR15 sales internationally.
These two M4s have the aforementioned company roll mark mix-ups, in addition to an entire slew of issues that mark them as not being legitimate Colt rifles or FN Herstal M4s.
[Plenty of pics to see as well - Check 'em out.]Seems obvious to me knowing that the Chinese will AND do reverse engineer anything!
I wasn't clear on which 'hands' these counterfeits were showing up in.
My guess... Iraqi based ISIL forces who want to be similarly armed against American led Intervention forces.
As an example, the largest indication that we are seeing is an AR15 with a 14.5 inch barrel, Burst selector, and with both Colt markings above the serial number and FN Herstal markings above the selector switch. Although both companies have been making M4s and M4A1s for the U.S. Military, neither of these companies have ever actually combined forces and produced a joint rifle.
We?ll post the glaring examples we have seen so far down below. There are far more examples that are borderline counterfeit, but I don?t want to post them because I just don?t have the in-depth Colt roll mark knowledge to be able to discern whether or not it is genuine.
The largest question we have is where are these rifles coming from. Due to expansive manufacturing operations in China that seek to make one for one copies of everything in the U.S. and European markets, in addition to documented evidence of ATF acquiring counterfeited AR15s in Mexico in 2009, we can reasonably assume that these rifles or parts are being mass produced and being smuggled into Iraq and possibly neighboring countries.
There already is a huge market in Iraq for Chinese Airsoft components and accessories because actual firearm parts cannot be legally imported. However, this is only an assumption and requires much more research and tangible evidence to definitively confirm that certain companies or entities in China are engaging in black market AR15 sales internationally.
These two M4s have the aforementioned company roll mark mix-ups, in addition to an entire slew of issues that mark them as not being legitimate Colt rifles or FN Herstal M4s.
[Plenty of pics to see as well - Check 'em out.]Seems obvious to me knowing that the Chinese will AND do reverse engineer anything!
I wasn't clear on which 'hands' these counterfeits were showing up in.
My guess... Iraqi based ISIL forces who want to be similarly armed against American led Intervention forces.
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I think it's odd ---- our government has never given us the number of real M4's & M16's we gave to the Mexican government. ....or, the Colombian government. ....or, the Iraqis. or, the Afghanis. or, other governments.
Why bother counterfeiting a rifle that anyone can easily buy at the local bazaar?
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