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Can I take a handgun into Canada?

mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
edited June 2003 in General Discussion
Mrs. Mudge and I (along with 2 other couples) are planning a bike trip to Alberta next summer. Can we take Mr. Colt and Ms. Glock into Canada or will they relieve us of them at the border? Would we get them back if they take them? We have other places we're going in the States but we could leave them at a friend's place in Montana if we have to.Mudge the prepared
I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
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  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm not speaking from experience or knowledge here, so I guess that means I'm speaking out of my rear, but I seriously doubt that the Canadian's would let you in with them IF you declared them (wink, wink). I think it's an even longer shot that you'd get them back. Best hide 'em away in the rig or leave it with your pals in Montana.
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  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Actually, I bet you could call the Border Patrol in whatever state you're going to crosss through. They should know.
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  • concealedG36concealedG36 Member Posts: 3,566 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just spoke with the Detroit branch of the U.S. Customs and they said NO. There was no explanation, they just said NO.I explained, briefly, that I wanted to do a road trip from the U.S., through part of Canada, and back into the U.S and bring a couple of my legally owned pistols.I would get a second (or third) opinion, but the officer I spoke with was very clear.G36
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Absolutely not. The Canadians won't even allow American law enforcement officers on official business to take weapons across the border. The local County Sheriff wasn't allowed to take his sidearm or his shotgun across the border when going to Vancouver on police business.Don't gamble on not being searched, either. The Canadian customs, at least at the border with Washington State, are really * to people riding scooters. I was detained once for over an hour while a couple of Ninja-suited, turban-wearing Canadian border police searched every nook and cranny of my Harley, took my drivers license and registration inside to "check me out" and then later claimed they didn't know where my papers were, and generally harrassed me until I'd had enough and was at the point of smacking somebody in the teeth. After I finally told them to shove their country up their *, and told them I didn't even want to cross the border now, they found my license and registration and watched me turn around and head back into Washington.I called the Canadian Consulate in Seattle and told him the story and he advised me that I could probably avoid being hassled at the border if I'd leave my bike at home and drive my car the next time I went to Canada.My only crime? Having a beard, wearing a leather jacket and riding a Harley Davidson.I got a little taste of what it must have felt like to be a black man down south in the forties.
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    A few years back my father was visiting my grandmother who lived in Canada. My father had to buy smokes, so he decided to cross the border into maine, being that the cigarettes were cheaper. On his way back in, he was asked several questions, and answered all of them truthfully. They told him to get out of his truck. At that moment, he remembered that he had a shotgun behind the seat. He works in New York City, and kept it behind the seat in case he ever needed it, and had totally forgot that it was there. They found the shotgun, he explained why it was there, and told them he didnt care if they tossed it in the river, and they told him to sit tight. There was a ruckus going on with a drunk Cuban, who needed the attention of all of the agents. The agent handed my father the shotgun, and told him to get lost.
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  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not no way, not no how. Canada is a socialist state.
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Geez guys.....I was hoping for a more definitive answer.Many thanks, they stay in MontanaMudge the AMERICAN (thank.....ooops)
    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS![This message has been edited by mudge (edited 12-20-2001).]
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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is a Canadaian $50 fee for each sporting rifle taken into Canada for hunting. And, as you now know, no handguns. Better stay in lodges away from bears.
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  • wundudneewundudnee Member Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My ex son in law go's up there to bear hunt. I asked him what kind of pistol he carried and he laughed and told me that no how, no way you took a pistol into Canada. He says that they use pepper spray! I guess the pepper spray would probably make you taste better to the bear.
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  • nordnord Member Posts: 6,106 ✭
    edited November -1
    Mudge -The answer is a definite YES!!!However, both you and Mrs. Mudge and your stub-nosed friends better be prepared for a very long visit.Probably less of a penalty for moving an a-bomb across the line.
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    The answer is: DON'T GO TO CANADA!!!!!If you go there you might spend some money, and there will be sales tax on that money. No sense helping prop up them commies even for a few cents.I'm with Dinah Shore on this one: "See the USA in your Chevrolet!"But see Texas first.
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  • njretcopnjretcop Member Posts: 7,975
    edited November -1
    Mudge, you gotta better chance of getting a gun into Canada than NJ -Charlie
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    njretcop- Aint that the truth.
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  • jetjet Member Posts: 543 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Don't drive in canada if you get in an accident its a no fault state? so you have no recourse.,besides the black flys suck.
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  • alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
    edited November -1
    Canada has enacted strict laws with respect to the importing, exporting, possession, use, storage, display and transportation of firearms. Since these are federal laws, they apply across the country. Some of the provisions are in effect now while others come into effect January 1, 2003.As of January 1, 2001, the procedures for bringing firearms into Canada, or for borrowing firearms while in Canada, changed as a result of mandatory licence requirements for all firearms owners and users in Canada.This fact sheet provides information on the main provisions that apply to you, beginning January 1, 2001, if you bring firearms into Canada or if you borrow and use firearms while you are here. The rules vary somewhat, depending on the class of firearm. For the purposes of Canadian law, the three classes of firearms are:Non-restricted (most ordinary rifles and shotguns); Restricted (mainly handguns); and Prohibited (full automatics, converted automatics, handguns with a barrel length of 105 mm (approx. 4") or less, and .25 or .32 calibre handguns among others). Note: Certain handguns used in International Shooting Union (ISU) sporting competitions are classified as restricted even though they meet the definition of a prohibited handgun. A list of these handguns is available. (See "Additional Information" at the end of this fact sheet.)Bringing Firearms Into CanadaYou may not bring a prohibited firearm or replica firearm (except for replicas of firearms classified as antiques) into Canada.(A replica looks exactly, or almost exactly, like a firearm but is not a firearm; and, it cannot discharge projectiles at all, or discharges only harmless projectiles).To bring a non-restricted firearm into Canada:You must be at least 18 years old. (See below for options for minors who use firearms.) You must declare your firearms at your first point of entry. To bring a restricted firearm into Canada:You must be at least 18 years old. You need to get an Authorization to Transport (ATT) from a provincial or territorial Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) before you arrive at the point of entry into Canada. You cannot get an ATT for the purpose of hunting or self-protection.Declaring your FirearmsThe Canada Customs and Revenue Agency (CCRA) is responsible for all customs procedures. Here are the basics if you are bringing firearms into Canada.In most cases, you will have to declare your firearms in writing, using an a Non-Resident Firearm Declaration (form JUS 909 EF), beginning January 1, 2001. Your declaration must be confirmed by a customs officer. The confirmed declaration will serve as a temporary licence and registration certificate for up to 60 days. Please fill out the declaration form before you arrive to save time at the point of entry. However, note that the form must be signed in front of the Customs officer at the point of entry. You will find information on where to get forms at the end of this bulletin. Exception:You will not need a confirmed declaration if you have a Canadian possession and acquisition licence (PAL), or a valid Firearms Acquisition Certificate (FAC) that was issued under the former law. Before applying for a PAL, you must pass the test for the Canadian Firearms Safety Course. You can pass the test without taking the course.To Borrow A Firearm In CanadaAs of January 1, 2001, if you wish to borrow firearms, you must either:be under the direct and immediate supervision of a licensed adult (aged 18 or older), or have a valid PAL or FAC (see above), or have an approved Temporary Firearms Borrowing Licence (for Non-residents) (form JUS 715 EF). A temporary borrowing licence will only allow you to borrow non-restricted firearms, and only for one of the following purposes:Hunting under the supervision of an outfitter or other person authorized to organize hunting services in Canada, Hunting with a Canadian resident who has the proper firearms licence and hunting licence, Competing in a shooting competition, Target shooting at an approved shooting club or range, Taking part in an historical re-enactment or display, Engaging in a business or scientific activity being carried on in a remote area where firearms are needed to control animal predators, Taking part in a parade, pageant or other similar event, or Using firearms for movie, television, video or theatrical productions or publishing activities. To Buy A Firearm In CanadaYou need either a PAL or a valid FAC.If You Are Under 18 Years OldYou cannot bring a firearm into Canada, nor can you buy firearms. In addition, at present, you are not eligible to apply for the minors' licence. However, you may use non-restricted or restricted firearms for an approved purpose under the direct and immediate supervision of a licensed adult.When Arriving At The Point Of Entry:There are additional laws with respect to such matters as the safe transportation, storage, lending, giving and selling of firearms.Fees (in Canadian Funds)A Non-Resident Firearm Declaration will cost $50. It can be renewed any number of times within a 12-month period at no extra cost. A possession and acquisition licence costs $60 for non-restricted firearms and is valid for five years. A Temporary Firearms Borrowing Licence (for Non-residents) will cost $30. You may renew it once in a 12-month period at no extra cost. Any renewals after that will cost $30. The registration fee for imported firearms that you decide to register in Canada is $25 per firearm. Additional Information And Where To Get Application FormsYou can obtain most application forms and additional information on the legal requirements under the Firearms Act by calling 1 800-731-4000 (if you live in the U.S.) or 1 506-624-5380 (if you live in another country).Firearm declaration forms are also available from Canada Customs offices.ATT forms are available from the Canadian Firearms Centre and CFOs (call the phone numbers listed above.)Application forms can also be downloaded here.For information on the declaration process, please call the CCRA at the following numbers:Within Canada: 1 800 461-9999Outside Canada: 1 204 983-3500 or 1 506 636-5064Acronyms Used in this fact sheet:ATT - Authorization to TransportCFO - Chief Firearms OfficerCCRA - Canada Customs and Revenue AgencyFAC - Firearms Acquisition CertificateISU - International Shooting UnionPAL - Possession and Acquisition LicenceInformation For more information, or to order a copy of the Firearms Act, its regulations, application forms and other CFC publications, contact us at:1 800 731-4000 (Toll Free)e-mail: canadian.firearms@justice.gc.caThis fact sheet is intended to provide general information only. For legal references, please refer to the Firearms Act and its regulations.Provincial, territorial and municipal laws, regulations and policies may also apply.
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  • Fast DrawFast Draw Member Posts: 49 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    suck it canada! America home of the Free Land Of the Brave!!!!!
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  • dhdh Member Posts: 127 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have sent several trucks with our equipment to Canada and the truckers say that as soon as the Canadian agents find out the trucks are fromTexas that is the first thing they ask about,firearms.Some 25 years ago my uncle was turned back at the border for having a pistol in his RV.I have a friend who is German who has lived in Canada for a long time and he has a registered handgun and he said even that was extremely difficult to get done.
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  • sandman2234sandman2234 Member Posts: 894 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My Daughter went with my Inlaws on a "camping trip" into canada. She was 6 yrs old. The stopped, detained, separated her from them for questioning both parties when they noticed the age difference. It was a pain for them, but had they been "stealing" my Girl, I would have appreciated it. I haven't been to canada, and don't expect to in the next century. After that, I will think about it.Saw all of canada I wanted down at the Mouse's House in south Fla.
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  • ghotie_thumperghotie_thumper Member Posts: 1,561 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Rumor has it that the RCMP have 7 or 8 chp issued 40 cal pistols. Funny how some leo's think they can get away with stuff. They won't even return the pistols through official channels. Each officer has had to pay for the weapon prior to being issued a new one.
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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Color himMudge the disarmed.
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  • Judge DreadJudge Dread Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Use a TASER gun is the only legal interstate you can pass on or get a WW CCW from the Interpol and WSS ,Have any friends in NSA or CIA? , it may help otherwise.... Mudge the "toasted"
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  • anderskandersk Member Posts: 3,627 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Man alive, I've lived here in Canada for 26 years, and I'd say it is a wonderful country.But I would NOT bring a pistol across the border. Hunting here is not bad at all, but out-of-country hunters must hunt with a licensed guide.Bonne Chasse!
    Ken
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  • alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
    edited November -1
    Canada is a beautiful country as far as secenary. The problem is that the government has to many communists in it! Thay have closed the door on self defense and open another for criminals to come in. This encludes about 60 terrorist cells!My family doctor bow hunts for bear in SK Canada and they give him a hard time just for that.If I ever get to go out of country I am going to Alaska!!!! It is just excellent scenary up there!
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  • bartobarto Member Posts: 4,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    alledan-avoid dutch harbor in jan.-feb.-mar.you WILL freeze your patootie plumb off!beautiful, tho.
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    OK....OK....The guns stay in Montana.Judge...NSA or CIA? As a matter of fact.....Been to Alaska. Believe it or not...on my honeymoon. That was to my second wife. Hereinafter known as THE *!Went to Barrow, Juneau, Ketchikan, Fairbanks, Sitka, Anchorage and Nome. Expensive as hell.I'd go again, though. But only with Mrs. Mudge and never on a bike.Mudge the world traveler
    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Come on, Mudge. You don't want to ride your scooter up the Al-Can? That's one of my "gotta-do-it-before-I-die" trips, along with the Blue Ridge Parkway and the Florida Keys.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sorry Lowrider.....Been up the Al-Can. In a '52 Mercury. Summer of '52. Wasn't the most fun I ever had. Talked to a group of Brits that did it in '99 on new Triumphs. Talk about masochists. They advised against it on anything smaller than a Hummer.You'd love the Blue Ridge Parkway. Done that countless times. It's a ball. Accelerate, upshift, accelerate, downshift, brake. Over and over. What a hoot! It's practically at my back door. I'd kinda like to do the highway to Key West on bikes. Did it with my folks in '51 in a '46 Packard. NO A/C. AAARRRGGGHHH!!!Mudge the wuss
    I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS![This message has been edited by mudge (edited 12-24-2001).][This message has been edited by mudge (edited 12-24-2001).]
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  • chalyruizchalyruiz Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    you can't take it with you across the border unless you have a target shooting competition..you can ...but still need a lot of paper work.
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  • woodshermitwoodshermit Member Posts: 2,589
    edited November -1
    I was working for a company that was bought by Canadians. One of the first things they did was ban going to any internet site, including this one, re:guns, ammo, etc. I didn't even bother asking.
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  • ndbillyndbilly Member Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Along with France, Canada joins a growing list of irrelevant countries. Population of the entire frozen turd is about 30 million. Population of CA alone - about 30 million.
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  • BlueTicBlueTic Member Posts: 4,072
    edited November -1
    Mudge - I am right on the WA/Canadian Border (Lowrider is right on in his assesment). I have a cousin that is a Canadian firearms dealer, and we can't even swap and trade. They are very adamant NO FIREARMS, even with all the proper papers for target competition and a note from one of their range's and goverment, you will get the one border agent who won't even look at the papers. Then spend 2 hrs getting your ride torn apart. I have had a few things imported but it takes forever for our BATF to release anything - it used to be a simple dealer to dealer transfer before 9-11.
    On a side note - I love telling the agents when I cross that I am going to a gun show - they just give you the weirdest looks and always ask "You arn't bringing any with you????". My Cousins range in Mission always has a charity Pumpkin shoot right after Halloween and we blast the hell out of em. I love telling them at both US/CDN where we are going and rub it in that WE ARE DOING NOTHING WRONG!

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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    Last summer, we crossed into Canada at Niagara Falls. Big sign at Customs says we must declare "offensive weapons." Well, I didn't have any; only a S&W .38 and a Colt .380 for defense. I put both in the glove box and locked it.

    When we pulled up to the booth, wife driving, she told the Customs dude we have guns. To their credit, they didn't geek out or anything. They wanted to know what and where. One guy came around to my side and watched as I removed the guns from the glove box and unloaded them. He then carried them inside and sealed them in plastic bags and gave me a receipt. He said I would get them back when I return, but I would have to come to the same Customs station.

    They were not interested in whether I was legally carrying, whether I was a peace officer, or anything. All they were interested in was getting the guns in storage.

    Sure enough, we got them back, but that is my first and last foray into Canada.

    This year, we plan a short day excursion to one of the border cities in Mexico. We will WALK across the bridge and there will be no guns, ammo, knives, etc. on us.






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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    Found this on a us govt site.


    To bring a Restricted gun into Canada, you must be 18-years of age or older and acquire an Authorization to Transport (ATT) from a provincial or territorial Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) before you arrive at the point of entry into Canada. You cannot get an ATT for purposes of hunting or self-protection.

    To bring Non-Restricted guns into Canada, you must be 18-years of age or older, declare your guns at your first point of entry, complete a Non-resident Firearms Declaration form in triplicate, have it confirmed by a customs officer and pay a $50 (Canadian funds) fee.

    Once confirmed, the Non-resident Firearms Declaration will act as a temporary license and registration certificate while in Canada and is valid for 60 days. Visitors may renew their temporary license any time during a 12-month period without paying an additional fee. Unlicensed non-residents who plan to borrow a firearm in Canada must obtain a Temporary Borrowing License.

    Visitors will be able to purchase ammunition with Canadian firearms license, a confirmed firearms declaration form or a Temporary Borrowing License.

    Additional laws apply to non-residents who purchase or borrow guns in Canada, to persons importing guns into Canada, and to use and possession of guns by minors while in Canada.

    Complete information on Canadian firearms laws for residents and visitors, as well as fee lists and all required forms can be found on the Canadian Firearms Centre Web site at: http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/Default-en.html


    I had no probs with my gun at the border when visiting BR.

    Declared it, and then picked it up on my way back. Nice folks


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  • jjmitchell60jjmitchell60 Member Posts: 3,887
    edited November -1
    We are not even allowed to take flint lock pistols to Rev War or F&I War reenactments in Canada. The only other place as bad as them is NY state. A friend and I left Ky one time to attend a reenactment in some part of Canada. We had all our gear including 2 horses. We were turned around at the boarder in Michigan and told to not come back. Seems the flint pistols, flint rifles, as well as the horses were a no-no!
    A gentleman that used to live in Ky. moved to Alaska but returned to Ky. to go to college. He had several guns that he wanted to bring home with him but he rented a storage locker in Alaska to store them in till he graduated. He drove back from Alaska and planned on driving back after Graduation. He was told that he could ship his guns but could not bring them with him. Shipping was so high and that is why he rented a storage locker to leave them in for 4 years! He also told me many years ago you could transport pistols from the 48 states to Alaska by auto but when you crossed into Canada they put a metal seal around the pistol some how. When you crossed over into Alaska that seal had better be on the pistol and not broken. I reckon now that cannot be done.
    I would leave the pistols in the states or better yet visit another state and stay out of Canada altogether. Been there when I was a kid and the only thing that stands out is how pretty it was and no highway litter!
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  • chunkstylechunkstyle Member Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have an aquaintance, who makes frequent trips to Canada from here in Minnesota. He is a dual citizen, and routinely carries guns in his car. At the border, he checks his guns at the border station, they store them, and he claims them when he returns. No muss, no fuss.

    "I think life should be more like TV. All of life's problems ought to be solved within 30 minutes with simple homilies. All our desires should be instantly gratified. Women should always wear tight clothes, and men should carry powerful handguns. Of course, if life was really like that, what would we watch on TV?" -Calvin and Hobbes
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