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outdoortexasoutdoortexas Member Posts: 4,780
edited August 2003 in General Discussion
hunt and or fish?

Read any fish or fur magazine and you'll find statistics showing fewer people buying license each year. Even though the population is growing, sportsmen are growing older.

Almost every state is raising license fees, related costs go up as well. Land to hunt, even access to lakes and rivers is shrinking.

Too, limits on fish species is spirialling downward. Many game species(not all) have tighter limits as well although some are expanding.

Like all of our man made laws, there are more every year. Has this given you a negative outlook on the future of hunting and fishing?

Do you participate less than you did say a few years ago?
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  • alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
    edited November -1
    You are right on all counts. I still try to hunt and fish as much as i my health will allow.
  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hunting is in my blood, even though I hate the PGC and thier crappy laws and fees I will never give it up. it's not just the kill it is the time in the woods that gets me going every year. I did give up fishing, license fees are rediculous here in PA, trout stamps was supposed to raise the stocking of trout but did nothing but give the goons in the white trucks more tickets to write.

    The biggest reasons I see a downfall in the hunting population is,

    #1 City folks buying good land and posting it, we have a lot of public land but it is crowded.
    #2 City folks coming out and shooting everything that moves.
    #3 Cost of license
    #4 Cost of guns and ammo.
    #5 New deer regs in Penn devoted to trophy hunters and lowering the chances of nontrophy hunters of bagging game.
    #6 Our busy lifestyles have taken away the time needed to hunt.

    The list can go on and on and there may be a few reasons that do more damage then what I posted but those are the ones I see more often. We are a dying breed.

    Politicians are like diapers, every so often you need to change them, for obvious reasons.
  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not much for fishing, but hunting is a definite YES!

    At one time I would hunt 6-7 states each year, but increasing non-resident fees have limited that. Now only hunt 1-3 states...$300-to-$600 for tags makes it cost prohibitive.

    Spending more time teaching family members and others about the sport...trying to pass the addiction around. [:)]
  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ODT: What you say is certainly true. And what I find interesting is that gun sales do not similarly reflect the decline; indeed, just the opposite. This indicates to me that we are going from a nation of sportsmen to a nation of gun owners. I think this trend has been going on for thirty years, and is not the result of increasingly restrictive gun laws or land use; sad to say, I think we are fast moving away from the traditional outdoor preoccupations of our fathers.
  • paboogerpabooger Member Posts: 13,953
    edited November -1
    Love to hunt, like to fish.
    I also feel that the decline in those who hunt, can bear some witness to the fact of the availability of food and the higher class of living today. When us kids were growing up, money was tight, and we were pot hunters. We hunted for the meat, not the antlers, we relied on it for food.
    Not usually the case now a days!

    pacamo

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  • rinkydinkrinkydink Member Posts: 76 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    7mmnut, I admit to knowing nothing about Pennsylvania but in the mags that I read I thought the emphasis was on shooting does. and to balance the herd with land carrying capacity.

    Is this not the case???


    Btw; I fish 200+ days a year and hunt as many as I can in the rest. May as well spend all my money on me and the Mrs. rather than leave it to the kids who will just whistle it away.
  • outdoortexasoutdoortexas Member Posts: 4,780
    edited November -1
    I've often mentioned that I teach outdoor skills, primitive skills I call it becauseTV has screwed the word "survival".

    More and more, my students are "lost" when it comes to basic knowledge. I feel a lot of it is the lack of adult males in the core family. Too, most of us that do hunt and fish grew up in the country or had parents who grew up on a farm or ranch.

    Knowledge of the outdoors is no doubt becoming a lost art for many reasons.
  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    All of those items already mentioned factor into the drop off in hunting but I feel that the lack of leasure time is the major problem. If you look back over the past 50 years Americans now have less time availble for relaxation than ever. Heck, when I was a kid everything I'd see on TV or in the movies about the "future" lead me to believe that by the year 2000 we'd all be working about 10 hours a week and using the remaining time for play. Reality has not matched the dream. American's are working more hours every year just to make ends meet. Real wages (actual buying power) for working class folks has been dropping slowly but steadily for years and everyone needs the overtime just to keep his or her head above water. Most guys would LOVE to spend their two week vacation out hunting with their buddies, but instead they will drag the better-half and the kids off to Disneyland/World and call it good for the year and dream about retirement and everything they plan to do when they at last have the time!

    Mark T. Christian
  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The new regs are SUPPOSED to get a 1:1 doe to buck ratio, what will happen to the herd when that happens? Give it 10 years and deer hunting will suck the big one here. The deer are getting smaller because of the short life span, the smart deer go into no mans land where few people go never to be seen again. Antler restrictions will eliminate over 1/3 of the buck kills, so when the ratio gets where they want it and the doe kills are lowered, how many hunters in PA will get a deer? Alt made it sound good but the long term effects of his selfish trophy buck program will be disastorous to deer hunting in PA. I see no good coming from his new laws excpet the wealthy getting big bucks. This would work if he would just restrict a few SGLs as trophy area but he wants statewide! Also one other thing that will make his dream impossible is the private land owning yuppies who will not allow deer to be killed on their property, what this will do is help wipe out the deer herds on public ground but yet allow inbreeding on the private ground further ruining the deer herds. Now if you go up north where Pabooger lives it will be different but not everybody hunts up north nor do we always have the means or knowledge of the areas to go. In other words, the southern half of the state will go to the dogs for deer hunting while up north where Pabooger lives will resemble Texas with the landowners and public ground being over crowded, then their end of the state will look like ours.

    Sorry for the rant but this is a sore subject for me. I hate trophy hunters who inflict their beliefs on the rest of the state.

    Politicians are like diapers, every so often you need to change them, for obvious reasons.
  • 0311marine0311marine Member Posts: 3,233
    edited November -1
    i fish when ever i get the chance .license $24 salmon steelhead tag $24.total $48.fishing gear year round cost $200,gas to go to fishing spots year round approx. $250 total to go fishing =$498

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  • shooter4shooter4 Member Posts: 4,457
    edited November -1
    Haven't done any hunting in years, used to hold a captain license to run a charter boat out to 100 miles offshore. Did a lot of saltwater fishin then, mostly game like shark, tuna and such.

    Tried some freshwater fishin, but mostly liked the bigger saltwater stuff. Will probably get into a little freshwater soon.

    My back don't like that pounding you get in the rough water anymore.

    Might try a little goose huntin with a couple of guys from the club this fall. You know, those Canadian turd burds.
  • paboogerpabooger Member Posts: 13,953
    edited November -1
    Lonnie: There is so much woods available to hunt up here, I can hunt in alot of areas, and not see a hunter all day, especially after the first day. I live in the Boonies up here, come on up and hunt Id be glad to have ya.

    pacamo

    To Ride, shoot straight,and speak the truth
    This was the Ancient law of Youth
    Old times are past, old times are done:
    But the Law runs true, O little son!
  • rinkydinkrinkydink Member Posts: 76 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    You just hit #5000 Pabooger. What did I win ????
  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I hunt a lot, but fish rarely. Used to fish all the time when I lived near salt water-freshwater fishing is too mysterious. I usually get out on a bay or the ocean a couple times a year.

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  • paboogerpabooger Member Posts: 13,953
    edited November -1
    Salzo: Your more than welcome also.

    pacamo

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    This was the Ancient law of Youth
    Old times are past, old times are done:
    But the Law runs true, O little son!
  • BlackieBoogerBlackieBooger Member Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Kids today have a lot of different interests, such as video games, DVDs, etc. When I was 12 I would grab the shotgun and my bird dog and head up on the hill behind our house everynight after school to hunt grouse then deer during the seasons. During the winter I had a muskrat trap line that I checked every morning before school and after school. You don't see kids doing that as much today. During deer season I don't see very many young kids out anymore. It's not like it was 30-40 years ago where just about everyboy in the school was out hunting.

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  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the offer, I may take you up on that!

    The game lands that I took the kids to last year on the first day looked lie a firefly nest with all the flashlights in the moring from folks letting lthers know where they was sitting. Alot of the good ground here is being posted and the farms I hunt on are crowded just so the deer get killed asap, not the kind of hunting I want to take my kids to, I don't mind going to a deer slaughter for the farmers sake but I don't want my kids involved in it.

    Politicians are like diapers, every so often you need to change them, for obvious reasons.
  • spectre7spectre7 Member Posts: 965 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Kids today have a lot of different interests, such as video games, DVDs, etc.

    While I'm sure there is some truth in that, I seriously doubt that many kids, especially those in more urbanized areas, have the opportunity to enjoy a youth like yours. Like others have pointed out, the land available for hunting and fishing, simply isn't as easily accessible as it once was, nor as prevalent.

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  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I do not think this trend has anything to do with a shift from food to trophy hunting, lack of time, lack of money or lack of interest. Fifty years ago in this country, approximately ten new long guns were sold for every hunting license issued; today, literally thousands are sold for every hunting license issued. I am certain that the many hundreds of new .378 Weatherbys, .416 Rigbys and .458WMs purchased this year alone were not used to down North American game or taken on African safari. I also believe the days when the majority of firearms purchases were prompted by practical need have long passed, and while guns do remain tools, they have increasingly become more and more like art--appreciated and enjoyed in their own right, regardless of practical application.
  • ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    I don't do either. I don't hunt 'cause I have enough trouble hitting an immobile target and I don't fish 'cause they won't let me toss hand grenades into the lake...
  • paboogerpabooger Member Posts: 13,953
    edited November -1
    Sheepmeister: I think there is alot of truth to what you say, I love to hunt but my guns get shot much more at paper than wildlife. The kids love to target shoot and so do I.

    pacamo

    To Ride, shoot straight,and speak the truth
    This was the Ancient law of Youth
    Old times are past, old times are done:
    But the Law runs true, O little son!
  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    I fish every weekend during the summer and if time allows, everyday. Hunt every fall and winter for big game and waterfowl. Waterfowl hunt every spring. Been working two full time 40 hour a week jobs the last couple of weeks, so the fishing time has dwindled a bit since my last halibut fishing foyer in July. This fall's hunting season will be limited to waterfowl because of a trip to Georgia that will happen in the middle of moose season. I will be chasing caribou this winter though. Spend a lot of time doing some trapping in the winter months.

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  • paboogerpabooger Member Posts: 13,953
    edited November -1
    I knew you fished just for the Halibut!!!![:D]

    pacamo

    To Ride, shoot straight,and speak the truth
    This was the Ancient law of Youth
    Old times are past, old times are done:
    But the Law runs true, O little son!
  • outdoortexasoutdoortexas Member Posts: 4,780
    edited November -1
    Lot of good replys here, you guys have hit on some logical reasons.

    On the trips where I take family units it seems the kids who are not used to fishing with their parent have a good time if the fish are biting. If it's slow they get bored quickly. Just being on the river in a canoe or even camping out doesn't turn them all on. All enjoy themselves before it's over, but it doesn't give them a rush like it does those of us who truly love the outdoors.

    Worse yet, once the trip is over they go back to the city life as if the outdoor experience was the same as going to Disneyland. Been there, done that, what are we going to do different on the next vacation.

    As a youngster, I could sit for hours without a bite and it didn't matter. I enjoyed wading in creeks, snooping through the woods, exploring by itself was enough for me. But like a couple here stated, we didn't have all the distractions kids do now. We learned these simple pleasures at a young age.

    Sure, we have kids on some trips that are fascinated with all the wondrous things along the river from birds they never see in the city to deer and turkey up close. Same for some of the adults, many have never seen a turkey "in the wild". Problem is, many feel like they can go to the zoo and see it all in a couple of hours.

    My thoughts are that we have seen the glory days for both freshwater fishing and hunting as a sport, times are really changing, and fast. Sure, the same can be said for the difference between us and say our grandparents who lived so close to nature. But the future now comes at us at warp speed.
  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I hunt yearly, and Capt. Kirk took me halibit fishing for the first time this year. Increasing urbanization may have a lot to do with the decrease of sportsmen, as does the myriad of other sporting options available today, Jet Skis, ATV's. five kinds of flying/glideing machines; even rock climbing has become a fairly large sport. Used to be my pard and I were the only guys on the rock, now Starbucks has a stand there.

    My heros have always killed cowboys.
  • outdoortexasoutdoortexas Member Posts: 4,780
    edited November -1
    Man, now I'm jealous on the trip with Kirk. Have the invite, but have to make myself go to the west coast!

    Kirk's a hoot, I will find an excuse one of these days.
  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Count me in.

    Trinity +++

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  • bsallybsally Member Posts: 3,165
    edited November -1
    Fishing doesn't do much for me, but I do it several times a year. Only because my friend/hunting partner loves to fish. I go to hang out and be outdoors. Was out yesterday as a matter of fact.
    Hunting is a different story. I am out there as much as my scedual/wife allows.[:D] Unfortunately with all the radical tree hugging types and polititions with no stones, I am scared to think about the future of something I love and want to pass on to my son. [:(]

    SALLY
    Committee member-Ducks Unlimited
  • outdoortexasoutdoortexas Member Posts: 4,780
    edited November -1
    Hmmm, never tried fishin' from a duck blind sally! [:D]
  • bsallybsally Member Posts: 3,165
    edited November -1
    ODT - It is usually pretty dang cold out when we are in the blind. I surely wouldn't be out there with a fishing pole. Unless ofcourse you consider "fishing" the downed ducks out of the river.[:D]

    SALLY
    Committee member-Ducks Unlimited
  • FrancFFrancF Member Posts: 35,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mostly Bird hunt when I can, and love fishing to. For me it's just when I can. Draw backs of self emploment

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  • shootlowshootlow Member Posts: 5,425
    edited November -1
    if it has fins feathers or fur[;)] count me in

    "Go over,go under,go around,or go through.But never give up."
  • BOBBYWINSBOBBYWINS Member Posts: 7,810
    edited November -1
    Used to fish a lot more than I do now.
    Set lines on the river and such for years,
    but little by little,properties sell,or are
    left to the "kid's and access goes away.Those
    places that are accessable are usually so crowded
    that it's no fun anyway.[:(]Started deer and turkey
    hunting about 20 years ago.I've basicly "lived" for
    the hunt ever since.My vacation time is mostly saved
    for hunting season.Over the last few years however,
    leases here in Texas have gotten so expensive that I
    just can't justify hanging on to a lease anymore.I've
    spent many days and weekends "in the woods" with the guys
    and never loaded a gun.I enjoy "being there",killing something
    isn't that high on my list of priorities.So now I'm
    limited to a few "buddy" hunts,and if I kill,fine,if
    I don't,that's fine too.I was there to enjoy the woods
    and for the comradery.

    Mowhawk600,
    I forgot to mention that that "stock pond" of mine that
    we may be looking for doves at in a couple weeks is full of
    channel cat(some will go 10-15 lb).[;)][;)][;)][;)]
    Ever fish and hunt at the same time[?][?][?]

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  • outdoortexasoutdoortexas Member Posts: 4,780
    edited November -1
    It's too late for this season, but maybe a few of the Texas GB members should consider sharing a lease. Have to be year round access, so we can have a couple of informal shootin' sessions and varmit hunts.

    As for me, I'm past trying to take the meanest, biggest buck in the woods, but do need a sausage deer every year.

    Let's bounce the idea around.
  • BOBBYWINSBOBBYWINS Member Posts: 7,810
    edited November -1
    odt,
    Sounds good to me! ($$$$$$$$$$permitting)
    Let's see what we can find(cheap).[:p][:p]

    IT'S WHAT PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THEMSELVES THAT MAKES THEM AFRAID.
  • drobsdrobs Member Posts: 22,620 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bought a sportsmans license this year for $19.25. Covers my fishing and small game hunting for the season, will have to get more stamps if I go for anything with wings.



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  • Brth729Brth729 Member Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    outdoortexas--Judging by the number of responses you've gotten to this post, you've hit a subject that many have an opinion about. I myself have noticed a difference in the numbers of people taking part in as many things as they have in the recent past. One guy I work with, being single, was always either at work or out hunting or fishing. But even he has said with the increased costs of fees and other things, it's gotten to be to expensive for him to fully enjoy. For me, hunting and fishing was part of how I was brought up. They were both things that provided extra means for a number of family and friends. Not only this, but it also gave my family and I a chance to get closer to each other. Being the youngest of seven kids with a gap of close to six years between me and the next oldest, it afforded me an opportunity to get to know my brothers and sisters on a more personal basis. With them being a number of years older, I wasn't always asked to join in on the things they did while around the house. Being out and away from all other distractions with only my family around allowed us to create the strong bonds we have now.

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  • timberbeasttimberbeast Member Posts: 1,738 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I pretty much grew up like Huck Finn or Tom Sawyer, and have spent the grandest portion of my life fishing or hunting. I took my younger son to his first hunter's safety course tonight. Hell, he;s already hunted. I also used to trap extensively. My kids, 23, 20, 12, and 10, love the woods. The 20-year old doesn't hunt anymore, but loves to shoot. He isn't comfortable with killing. No big deal. He'll support my and your right to do it forever. 7mm, I don't particulary agree completely with the trophy management issue, but where I hunt, there are about 10 does to each buck. So I only shoot does, since about 5 years ago. It's deep wilderness, and if you see a mature buck, you got really lucky or you worked your butt off. They even use different trails. And few come out during daylight, they don't have to, they don't have to compete for does, they just lay in the swamps all day. As my Dad always said: "You can't eat antlers." I'll shoot does for now, and let the spikers and nubbies go. There are some bucks around whose track sizes would make a man drool, but you gotta get way back in the cedar swamp to have a chance. I don't do it for a future chance at a trophy rack, I do it because, at this point, I think that it benefits the herd and reduces inbreeding. I could be completely wrong, but I have a lot of land and I manage it the best that my gut tells me to.
  • ATFATF Member Posts: 11,683 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Don't hunt as much as I used to,but fish quite a bit.Here's a picture of my bass boat that I've had for twenty five years.I tow it with a 1985 eagle that I've had since new.[^][:)][8D][:p]
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  • outdoortexasoutdoortexas Member Posts: 4,780
    edited November -1
    Adding special tags seems to be the thing for the agencies to bring in more money. This year Texas is adding a bass stamp, guide license are jumping in price, trailer registration is going up.

    Sigh...seems the bureacrats are always needing more, more, more. Same old story, IMO, if they would hire a housewife to manage their pot of gold it would be better spent instead of wasted.
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