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Which state in this nation is the most free?

flat8flat8 Member Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭
edited February 2004 in General Discussion
I know it isn't New York . . . what do you all think? My vote is Nevada, although the Silver State too has begun to slide down a slipperly slope.
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  • deerhntrdeerhntr Member Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    My vote goes to PA[;)]

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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    Vermont and Alaska

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  • 22WRF22WRF Member Posts: 3,385
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  • gap1916gap1916 Member Posts: 4,977
    edited November -1
    Alaska?

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  • Rebel_JamesRebel_James Member Posts: 4,746
    edited November -1
    I'd say Georgia, of course I'm biased. I've lived here all my life.



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  • bigtirebigtire Member Posts: 24,800
    edited November -1
    I have to go with Vermont and Alaska too.[;)]

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  • Colt SuperColt Super Member Posts: 31,007
    edited November -1
    I've lived all over our great Country, and I like this place (Oregon), best. No sales tax, a "must issue" CCW, can't pump your own gas ( except for motorcycles), inexpensive homes in the country, and some of the most beautiful countryside anywhere.

    The downside is that many Kalifornia socialists have moved here in the last 20-30 years, and they're trying to re-engineer the society.

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  • dcon12dcon12 Member Posts: 32,008 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would have to vote Ga.

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  • gunrunner68gunrunner68 Member Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭
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  • rldowns3rldowns3 Member Posts: 6,096
    edited November -1
    I'd have to say Arizona and Alaska.

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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've heard good things about the Dakotas, and Montana has a very low population. I assume Alaska is good too. These are just impressions; feel free to tell me if I'm mistaken. Frankly, except for part of Montana, I wouldn't like the cold weather...

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  • shooter4shooter4 Member Posts: 4,457
    edited November -1
    1 = Vermont
    2 = Alaska
    3 = PA
    4 = Anyfreagin' place except for prnj, ny, etc.
  • Mr.PissyPantsMr.PissyPants Member Posts: 3,575
    edited November -1
    I am partial to the Evergreen State myself, but I would think Vermont or Alaska would have more freedom and less firearm legislation.

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  • mateomasfeomateomasfeo Member Posts: 27,143
    edited November -1
    Alaska. Seems I recall personal marijauna use is protected by name in the state constitution.

    Too lazy to look it up...


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  • bobskibobski Member Posts: 17,866 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    tenn, new hampshire, florida, and texas. no state income tax. now define free! care-free? mass its where the gays hang out now, and all the democrats are living on free-bees'....
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  • gunpaqgunpaq Member Posts: 4,607 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Pennsylvania in the rural counties.[:)]

    Zoning laws and municipal regulations in the cities and suburbs are nothing less than oppressive communism.[:(]

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  • paboogerpabooger Member Posts: 13,953
    edited November -1
    Pennsylvania

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  • outdoortexasoutdoortexas Member Posts: 4,780
    edited November -1
    Thanks ski, for mentioning Texas.
    Guess a lot of us would pick where we live,
    or some/most would move.

    Here, besides the CCW laws being pretty open,
    trespassers are still looked at as bad as horse thieves!
    In your house, on your land.

    Cut a "bob war" fence and ya better not quit running! [;)]
    Can't say it's perfect here,
    but most of our complaints are with the Feds not state or local.
  • Chevyman TxChevyman Tx Member Posts: 1,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would have to say texas, but because it is my home state and i have never lived anywhere else to know any difference!

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  • SuspensionSuspension Member Posts: 4,783
    edited November -1
    I'm saying Ohio because noone else has plus I live here plus our neighboring PA residents are getting an upper hand with all their votes..[:D][:D][:D][:D]

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  • chappsynychappsyny Member Posts: 3,381 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    NH is way more free than VT. We have no income tax, no sales tax, houses in the country are cheap (except along the border of MA), a $10 shall-issue CCW w/ no training requirement and 2 week time limit for issuance. Also, you can leagally carry openly loaded w/o a license or concealed and unloaded, also without a license. We're also the only state in the country to not have a manditory seatbelt law.

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  • chappsynychappsyny Member Posts: 3,381 ✭✭
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    I forgot to mention that there's no age limit on getting a CCW here. A 10 year old could walk into the police station, fill out an aplication and get one (it has happened). The CLEO has no discression whatsoever. A person must be 18 to have a handgun in their possession without an adult present, though, so you don't see a lot of todlers packing.

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  • gun_runnergun_runner Member Posts: 8,999
    edited November -1
    Wyoming. It has the lowest census in the US and is a republican state. No state tax. You can carry. You are allowed to drink and drive as long as your not in town. Its the original wild west and the people want it to stay that way.

    Larry
  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
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    As a native son, I cannot argue with anything chappsyny has said. The only problem with NH is the damn squatters moving in from the lower (in all ways) New England states, plus NY / NJ, bringing their puerile liberal politics with them. NH is the most free at the moment, but I question how long it will stay this way. Damn flatlanders are a big part of the reason I'm moving . . . and the entire reason I'm leaving NH . . . my wife has only been in the country for six years and she already hates the Massholians so much she refused to move into southern NH where they are thickest. Says a lot about the Massholian "culture" that they can so totally alienate someone with prior exposure to them in such a short period of time. Says even more about the culture that the best they can find for a Senate seat is Kennedy and Kerry. Sorry for the vent.

    Alaska would be a good choice. Don't be blinded by Vermont's CCW lenience; in many other ways it marches to the same drumbeat as Boston (again because of the squatter influx): high taxes and liberal politics - don't forget Howard the Duck Dean was elected there - and their Congressman for decades has been the only (openly) Socialist in Federal office - Bernie Saunders. I don't know enough to be sure, but I believe Idaho should be high on the list. But perhaps clouder and DWS would like to keep those matters quiet so they don't get swamped with immigrants! Wish we'd kept NH a secret! [:(!]

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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Iconoclast
    ...The only problem with NH is the damn squatters moving in from the lower (in all ways) New England states...NH is the most free at the moment, but I question how long it will stay this way....big part of the reason I'm moving . . . and the entire reason I'm leaving NH . . . my wife has only been in the country for six years and she already hates the Massholians so much she refused to move into southern NH where they are thickest.

    Hmm. That's one big reason I left L.A. 13 years ago, except there the Massholians were called other things... [;)]

    Interesting tip about Wyoming. Maybe if all of us get forced out of our present circumstances we can go there and start a long country road with lots of acreage between properties, subsist off Internet businesses and have shooting parties on Saturdays or something. [:D]

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  • Travis HallamTravis Hallam Member Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It is not North Dakota. We have terrible crime rates. Our taxes are very high. Our pollution is lousy. Our hunting and fishing is very poor. Pheasants flew south and never returned. Constant police brutality.

    Do you self a favor and drive around. Unless it is winter time, then come on in and stay awhile.[:D][:D][:D]


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  • plains scoutplains scout Member Posts: 4,563
    edited November -1
    Travis

    You live in a different part of North Dakota than me!! Crime rate is one of the lowest in the Nation, taxes are lower than most other states, there is plenty of game yet (I saw that Mule deer picture), I can carry concealed with a permit that is easy to get, I can carry open, I know of NO police brutality cases that have come to Court (I know lots of cops and that includes BIA officers), etc. You must have had some personal bad experiences that brought you to that conclusion. Think it would be better anywhere else? Nope.

    My vote is not a state of the Union, but a state of your mind. You are as free as you allow yourself to be.

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    advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives
    boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the
    ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no
    character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of
    your walks." Thomas Jefferson
  • Travis HallamTravis Hallam Member Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Oh Good one Plains Scout. Way to keep a secret.[;)]

    You know these Pheasant Phreaks are bringing up the land prices so You and I have a harder time getting cheap land to hunt. I was looking after are interest and you go and spill the beans. I say we allow Pabooger in (word has it he can't hit nothin) and make the rest go around.[:D]

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  • plains scoutplains scout Member Posts: 4,563
    edited November -1
    Well Trav the first time it hits -30 below with a 40mph wind they will run screaming back to their mammas in Georgia or Texas[8D]



    "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I
    advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives
    boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the
    ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no
    character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of
    your walks." Thomas Jefferson
  • headzilla97headzilla97 Member Posts: 6,445
    edited November -1
    My part of new york isnt that bad

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  • flat8flat8 Member Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭
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    Interesting guys . . Travis and Plains Scout, I'm bussing a whole sh%tload of New Yorkers out to N. Dakota to look for some new digs. And there's more where they came from![;)]
  • mpolansmpolans Member Posts: 1,752 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    New Hampshire...but it's too damn cold to live up there...and they're starting to get overrun by damn liberals.

    Texas is pretty close to the top of the list, and has better weather than most of the other choices. That's why I'm here![8D]
  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
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    X-ring, mpolans . . . anyone who thinks winter temperatures are in positive numbers, especially two digit poisitive numbers will not be comfortable. The politics remain conservative overall, but every year brings an influx of 10K or more, most of whom come with the leftist viewpoints which made their former abodes such cesspools.

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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Never lived there, but I hear New Hampshire is pretty free.
    Pennsylvania, aint bad, considering the riff raff we are surrounded by.

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  • glynglyn Member Posts: 5,698 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    What is Idaho like,I have heard it is pretty free and gunfriendly.I am going up to northern Idaho this spring to look for property.Iknow it is cold but the crime rate is low and I have heard the peole are pretty nice and friendly,and is a must issue state.Ive gotta get out of Kalifornia.

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  • Colt SuperColt Super Member Posts: 31,007
    edited November -1
    glyn - on your way through Idaho, take a side trip to Orygun - you might be surprised.

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  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
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    I only wish PA had the protection laws like Texas, the only things that make PA free is shall issue CCW and Class III guns other than that there are are lot of screwed up laws in this state such as when confronted by trespasers yuo are supposed to hide in your home and call the police and suck your thumb[:(!] Criminals are protected in PA[:(!][:(!][:(!] I know this from first hand experiance! The time is coming that I will pack up and move due to the heqavy bumrush of city slickers and their liberal ways of thinking much like NH is getting.

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  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
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    ND has pheasants?[:p]

    Heck 30 below with a 45 mph wind chill isn't going to stop this old Texas boy who has become accustomed to the harsh Northern NY weather from chasing them there funny looking Chinese birds. When dose the season start?[:D]

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  • HeavyBarrelHeavyBarrel Member Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I belive in Texas it is Ok to use deadly force to protect personal property if it is at night? There are 2 cases I am thinking about. one is where an older man used an Ar-15 to stop and kill a thief who was stealing his truck during the night and he was not charged. also a couple of years ago a punk was trying to steal an AC window unit from a house and was shot and killed, homeowner not charged, I know it sounds strange but i have heard this. Maybe Nunn has ideas?
  • IAMACLONE_2IAMACLONE_2 Member Posts: 4,725
    edited November -1
    Shhh...Dont tell anyone Oklahoma is pretty good to once you get out of Tulsa & OKC.
    Shall issue CCW, LEO's sign off on C3 while you wait. Cheap homes,land, state owned low cost hunting preserves,reasonable taxes.
    Draw backs, low wages, high unemployment outside of the urban areas around 6-8%, alot of "good ol boy" politics in the rural areas (Aka Little Dixie).
    The metro areas have the liberials and try to rule, or force legislation on the rural areas. But the rural "Lil Dixie Boys" pull alot of weight.
    Example: Metro area passes legislation outlawing Cock Fighting, so the Dixie Boys dump their chickens out at the governors mansion. That law is not being enforced.
    Walte
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