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I want to be king.

imacboimacbo Member Posts: 310 ✭✭✭
edited December 2003 in General Discussion
I would like the chance to change alot of things wrong with the would today. Like health care, social security, the way are teachers are treated, how much pro sports players are paid, (come on 10 million to throw a Ball!!) how about welfare, and one hundred other things. Don't get me wrong I love the USA. It is the best place around with out a doubt but you must admit there is alot that needs to be done to keep it the best in the world. In the subject I said that I would like to be king and the reason I use that word is because the problems we have a presdent could not change them if he or she wanted to. Just think about a presdent saying that all teachers should get paid at least 50 to 60 G's a year and that all football players would get 100gs a year. If the player wants to endorse a shoe company and get 10 mill. Thats fine. Think about it. Why do the rich get such big tax cuts. I made 25000 this year and paid 7000 to taxes. When was the last time Bill Gates payed 30% in. What would you change if you could.
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  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by imacbo

    When was the last time Bill Gates payed 30% in.

    Gates donated $23 billion (that's right, $23 billion) this year alone to correct some of the problems you would be facing as king. That $23 billion constitutes 50% (not 30%) of his earned 2003 income.
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  • imacboimacbo Member Posts: 310 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm not saying Bill Gates is a bad person but how much did he get in tax cuts and as for the 23 bil. he also was aloud a tax cut for that as well. The system is messed up not a single person is to blame.
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  • victorlvlbvictorlvlb Member Posts: 5,004
    edited November -1
    DancesWithSheep
    He does have some good points.I bet all the money Mr Bill donated won't fix half the problems in the post above.Besides a person only making 25,000 could not give half of his money away and still live very well.On the other hand a person making billions could give half of his money away and live very well.
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  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I suppose Bill could have kept the other $23 billion and just paid the taxes on it (leaving him an extra $11.5 billion). I think where you stand on this is where you stand on the receiving end. If you didn't get any of it, Gates is just another rich guy looking for a tax break; if you did get some of it, he's a guy trying to do some good in the world. I'm glad I don't have Gates' problems; I wouldn't want an unappreciative king mad at me.
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  • imacboimacbo Member Posts: 310 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is no reason an elderly person should not get all their medical needs that they need or childern or anyone for that matter. When was the last time you were sick and did not go to the doctor because you did not have the money. Or what if you just started a new job and did not have ins. yet. Why dont we make people afraid to commit crime. Lets not have someone sit on deathrow for 8 to 10 years. Or even lesser crimes like shoplifting for an example make the person work for 20 hrs. of community service for ever dollar that they stole. Plus make them wear a sandwich board that says I'm a slimeball shoplifter while doing the service. Lets pay cops and the armed services better and pay the senators and congress less. I think welfare is a good idea. Sometimes people need help but lets put a limit on how long thay can stay on it. Lets say 6mo. After 6mo. the you have to do community service to get a check. The first six is on us the rest is up to you. Lets make the job something like doing repairs on the elderly's homes who can not afford to repair it themselves. Or sweep the street and pick up litter in their part of town. Come on I love this place lets do something to fix the trouble areas.
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  • imacboimacbo Member Posts: 310 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    like I said: I'm not saying gates is wrong. Good for him to invent something and get rich off of it. Thats the amercan way. I'm aganst the way the system holds some down and keeps others up. Bill did not have to give the money and I glad he did. We need more of the multi-billion people to help. The Waltons, and the Gates are what the America Dream is made of. But there is problems. and if you cant see it something is wrong with you.
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  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by imacbo

    But there is problems. and if you cant see it something is wrong with you.

    Of course there are problems. I just don't think Bill Gates is one of them. Perhaps the Army could forego the XM29 for a few years and allow the money to be used for some of your concerns. I wouldn't hold my breath, though.
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  • imacboimacbo Member Posts: 310 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bill Gates is not a problem but the way the system has tax cuts for the wealthy and not the middle class or lower class is messed up. I was just using Bill Gates as an example of the wealthy thats all.
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  • imacboimacbo Member Posts: 310 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I never said that the system was holding me down. I said that it holds some down and keeps others where their at. As for me making 25k and paying 7k thats in all taxes not just fed. In fed I paid 4500 FICA was 1800 and 750 in state. I only make 10 an hour and most of my money was made with overtime. As for the system over all is great. The system is not holding me down.I wish I was smart enough I could think of a product to make like Gates did or open a store like Walton did. Getting rich and having everything is the Amercan Dream. There is nothing wrong with that All I'm saying is that there are changes that need to be made. If you could what would you change. As for the hand out, I don't want a hand out. That is one of the problems too many hand outs.
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  • imacboimacbo Member Posts: 310 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ok so if you could change anything with the USA what would it be?
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  • flat8flat8 Member Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You're right. Bill Gates doesn't have a total tax burden of 30%. Probabley more like 55% when you consider Federal Income Tax, State Income Tax, City Income Tax (depending on where he lives), Property Tax, Medicare, Social Security, and on and on and on.

    The GREEDY RICH get such big fat tax cuts because the greedy rich pay the lionshare of the taxes in this country. If Joe paid 100 bucks in taxes, and Sally paid 10 bucks, is it wrong to pass a tax cut of 10%? I mean, Joe would get 10 whole dollars back but Sally would only get a dollar! That's not fair! Forget that Joe is still paying 90 bucks and Sally is only paying 9. C'mon, give me a break.

    Yeah Gates and his ilk are really greedy ba#%ards too, I mean they created THOUSANDS of jobs for Microsoft and most likey MILLIONS of jobs indirectly for companies that are related to the computer industry and also for non-technology companies that have benefited by the productivity gains brought about by the cheap, widespread technology we enjoy today.

    Flat tax is the answer. We all pay the same % of our income. Screw this "progressive" BS.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Let's not forget all of the job creation for which Mr. Gates is responsible. I'm glad that we live in a nation where people's earning potential is unlimited. That whole American dream thing is pretty cool if you ask me.

    From all according to their ability. To all according to their need.

    Ahhh....ain't Marxism great?
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  • imacboimacbo Member Posts: 310 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm not attacking bill gates. I have no problem with people beening rich. That is part of the Amercan Dream. The flat tax rate is what I was trying to get at all along. All this post is about is what I see as problems and I wanted other people to post their view. I'm not wanting to get in to a word fight with anyone. I love this country and proud to live here. I just wanted to see if anyone had the same thoughts as I do on the problems Of this great nation. And if not or if I over looked a problem to post your thoughts on it. I never wanted to attack or be attacked in this post. Bill Gates was just an example of the wealthy that get some of the tax cuts that the average joe will not. So if you could fix or change anything what would it be?
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  • flat8flat8 Member Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by imacbo
    I never wanted to attack or be attacked in this post. Bill Gates was just an example of the wealthy that get some of the tax cuts that the average joe will not.

    imacbo,

    I understand that Gates was just an example and I'm not attacking you, but you're just plain wrong on this issue. High income earners already pay far more than the "average joe" in terms of total tax dollars and percentage of income. According to your own info, you paid around 18% in Federal Income Tax. To use Gates as an example, before the Bush tax cut, the guy paid 39% on nearly everything he made in Federal income tax. Now the guy pays 36%. The point is that high earners STILL PAY a higher % of the federal tax burden than at any time in recent memory. Gates got 3% of his top line that the "average joe" didn't get because the "average joe" is paying NO WHERE NEAR what Gates is by ANY MEASURE.
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    The only people making $25K and paying $7K in taxes are grown children still living with Mommy and Daddy and so have no exemptions or deductions.

    I make twice that and I don't pay that much in tax.

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  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000 ✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheepGates donated $23 billion (that's right, $23 billion) this year alone to correct some of the problems you would be facing as king. That $23 billion constitutes 50% (not 30%) of his earned 2003 income.


    And, he got to give it to who and where he wanted, rather than let the Washington politicians get their money grubing hands on it![:D]

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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I ain't votin' for no king![:(!]

    My heros have always killed cowboys.
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  • mateomasfeomateomasfeo Member Posts: 27,143
    edited November -1
    If I were King I would change the fact that I don't have a harem...



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    "I am what I am!" - Popeye
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  • Jim RauJim Rau Member Posts: 3,550
    edited November -1
    Here in AK we are broke and no one will except the fact that government does not run on air. They do not want their PFD's touched or any income or sales taxs.[:(!]
    I think a sales tax with out exclusions except food and percription drugs/medical expenses would be fair to all. There are hundreds of billions of dollars of unreported income in this country that goes into the ecomony (people spent money no matter how they obtained it) with out being taxed.[?]

    Self defence is an ablsolute and natural right. Keep your powder dry! J. Rau, Alaska
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