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Scout Rifle
gap1916
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Been thinking about a "Scout" bolt action rifle. Looking to keep it reasonably lower priced, looking at rifles <$500. Been looking at the Howa ranch rifles, I think about $550 with the scope. Anybody got any recommendations? My only deal is, it's gotta be in .308. I was doing some planning, once I get my cash, I can probably get a Honda Rebel (or kawasaki ninja) 250, a Iphone 4 (I can get them from ATT for $130) and probably a rifle. Was thinking about a tattoo, but I just want one, don't know what I would want, and I need a tattoo like I need another hole in my head. They're useless, so a rifle would be a better bet (and I can't sell a tattoo if I get tight on cash.).
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Set it up the way you want. What ever you decide to use as a Scout Rifle is a Scout Rifle. After all a "Scout Rifle" is a "Hunting Rifle" plain and simple. I have a Winchester 94AE Wrangler in 30-30 fitted with a Leopold 2.5 x 28 Duplex Reticle, I.E.R Scout Scope. It is a Scout Rifle or better yet a Lever Scout.
The darn scope cost more than the carbine.
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I had found a site called Golden Lokie. It has all kinds of information on guns. It also shows a project to convert a mosin nagent M-44 into a scout rifel.
The gibbs rifels are pretty neat. But when I tried to get one they were out of stock and nobody could find one. I did find one at a gun show but it was expensive.
It is far cheaper to make one yourself. I bought the rifel at a pawen shop for $50 with a B-Square scope mount already on it. I got the Bushnell scope for $75 at a gun show. So far $125 and some time.
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For the price of a Styer Scout, its not about "NEED"
Its something new and it's about the name and prestige.
It seems to me that most of the "new" weapons and ammo are either revived past failures like the .17, or manufacturers playing on buyers emotion of presenting something new like this whole bunch of "Short Magnums" and "Belted Magnums" ... heck, even the .260 Remington is nearly identical to the 6.5 Mauser ... care to explain how that's "new"?
Its all Marketing.
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? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
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I'll take a shot at answering your question. I think the overriding advantage of a properly executed "Scout Concept Rifle" is target acquisition and accurate shot placement. In the shortest possible time frame under field conditions.
To this end you must be willing to mount a scope with long eye relief and wide field of view , forward of the front receiver ring(bolt action).
You must also firmly commit to keeping both eyes open.
If not it will negate the purpose of forward scope placement and the "CONCEPT" itself. It may be awkward at first, but once mastered you will have an almost unimpeded view of both the target and it's immediate surroundings. This has enormous field utility. With dedication you can obtain consistant vital area hits in an extremely short time frame at any range you deem practical and ethical. I can find no such advantage from the bench on paper targets.
The SAVAGE 10FCM SCOUT has not been mentioned it is a well made rifle. There are good scopes that will fit. It is accurate and resonably priced. But it needs a better trigger out of the box. Savage has a new Accu-Trigger coming out I believe in 2003. It ships with only one magazine, go figure.
I think that Col. Cooper's percieved attitude of "my way or the highway" has put many people off the "CONCEPT". He is nothing if not blunt in his writing. He didn't claim to have invented the concept. He took an already existing concept quantified and improved it,then brought it to the attention of the public.
It works for me. But some of my hunting buds have that "what's that getup for", look in their eyes when they see my Savage.
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I think there is a world of difference between genuine "need" and a "need for something new"; and, as boys will be boys, a lot of us deliberately and conveniently confuse the two.
More often than not ... I trip, slip and fall squarely into that category!
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Animals are dumb, easily approached to within 100 yds, and anyone who can't brain them at that range, from a braced position and with a scoped rifle, is in a bad way. Noone HAS to hunt, and if you did, you would use bait, jacklighting, etc, to take the animals, and you'd take them every chance you got, the young, the females, etc, too. So the Scout Rifle is a joke. It's not a sniper rifle, it's not a fighting rifle. It's not a dangerous-game rifle. It's not a trainer for such rifles. It's not a small game rifle (like the AR223 CAN be, with a .22 lr conversion unit) it's not a varmint rifle, it's not a match rifle, and its horrifically expensive to boot. It's not rustproofed, it has no luminous sights, it's not a take down model, it's not ambidextrous. Basically, it's a screw-over.