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American Sub Guns

gap1916gap1916 Member Posts: 4,977
edited August 2003 in General Discussion
What about a discussion about American sub guns? What worked and what did not. The MP5 is considered by most to be the measure of a sub gun. The UZI used to be. What about those made in the US of A?
The Wlkinson Terry? The AR 9mm? Just to start the discussion.

Greg
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  • rldowns3rldowns3 Member Posts: 6,096
    edited November -1
    I would have to say the best sub guns the U.S. ever made were the Thompson and the "Grease Gun".

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  • royc38royc38 Member Posts: 2,235 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have shot a Thompson (semi version), and can attest to their quality and accuracy. Valykrie Arms makes a semi version of the greasegun but I have yet to fire one. I had a chance 1980-81 to purchase an Ingram in .45 cal but didn't. Real sorry about that one. I have a Special Weapons SW45 which is half German and half American. It looks like an HK MP5 and uses HK parts and the receiver is USA made and takes modified greasegun mags. Very accurate out to about 80 yds.
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  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As an authorized Colt LE dealer I can assure you that the 9mm AR-15 is the best on the market and ALL PD's should "Buy American"! Of course my own choices are the MP-5 and the Beretta M12S! I never cared for the Uzi or L2A3 (Sterling), STENs and MAC's are junk, and Thompsons are simply too heavy and far too valuable to shoot! I always felt that the old Beretta Model 38/49 was the finest 9mm sub machinegun ever produced by anyone and is still a very effective firearm today inspite of its outdated looks-- too much real wood and no plastic!

    Mark T. Christian
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  • ndbillyndbilly Member Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What about the German MP 40? From almost every war flick I've ever seen, it could be fired endlessly and flawlessly from a single mag. Caliber differences aside, they looked to be of a higher quality than our Grease Gun.

    My experience is limited to a single "Rent-a-Gat" session with a Thompson and a MAC-10. Thompson seemed like it would be quite a load to carry through the jungle but I did enjoy firing it. MAC-10 jammed about every 6th round and was very difficult to control.
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  • RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Carried a "grease gun" for a short time. Reliable as a sun dial! very controlable because of the weight and long bolt travel.
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  • gap1916gap1916 Member Posts: 4,977
    edited November -1
    mark:

    I have read that the AR 9mm had an issue with the last round or two not feeding properly. Is this true? Why did the Wilikinson Arms Terry never make it to LEO or military circles? The 2nd generation sub guns like the Thompson and M3 are interesting. I like the 3rd generation guns myself and am looking forward to the 4th and 5th gen.

    Greg
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  • pack rat633pack rat633 Member Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    During my tours, I have carried and used the M-3 Greese Gun, M1a1 Tommy Gun,Sweedish "K",( S&W 76 to you new guys) French MAS, PPSH, the UZI, H&K MP-5. The Thompson was too heavy to cart very far, but was sweet to shoot. The M-3 Greese Gun was dependable as a rock, and accurate out to 100 yards. The "Sweed K" was one sweet machine, but still a 9mm. The French MAS and PPSH were crude and rude, and very anemic calibers. The UZI AND MP-5 were marvels of modren machines, all reliable and simple to take down, but again 9mm!! I think we AMERICANS had a very reliable, viable sub-gun market 50 years ago, but now, I don't see much out there. Ruger and Colt have some LEO and military only guns out now, but I haven't used them

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