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Condoleeza Rice: "I'm not much of a..."

ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
edited August 2003 in General Discussion
"... long term planner."

When interviewed recently and asked about her future plans for public service, Condoleeza Rice responded, "Oh, I don't know. I'm not much of a long term planner. I don't think too far into the future."

Grrreat... this coming from one of the prime architects of our invasion of Iraq and our war on terror. No friggin' wonder we haven't caught Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden yet. No wonder we haven't restored essential service in Iraq to even the low pre-war levels that Iraqis had to deal with.

I can't wait for them to unveil their next grand crusade. No doubt their plans will call for Iran to fall and democratize, all within a week...

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  • KhegglieKhegglie Member Posts: 330 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    dont sweat it EMM, she's on our A team.....think of the alternative(Gore et.al).
  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000
    edited November -1
    Monkey,

    That's a cheap shot at a good person. I think she was talking about her personal goals. A little "Democratic Spin" here?

    Measure twice, cut once.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    People ask me questions like that all the time. What are you doing this weekend? What are you doing tonight? Where do you want to be stationed next? I'm sorry but I don't commit myself to anything that I don't have to so I give the standard response that is almost exactly like that given by Condoleeza Rice. Quite frankly, I don't want to be asked and it's nobody's friggin' business. In spite of the response I give, I have a two week DETAILED calendar along with a Monthly and a Yearly calendar from near and long-term planning. What business is it of theirs?

    Anybody that has more than two bird turds between their ears and has seen Rice's resume KNOWS that she thinks ahead. She probably has the same idea that I do about certain types of questions.

    EMM--It took this nation quite a bit longer than a couple of months to go from colonization to a representative republic. Chill bro.
  • powdersmokepowdersmoke Member Posts: 3,241
    edited November -1
    Idsman75,

    Yes your correct. But if you are in the public eye and especially if you hold public office you should expect those questions and you better have a good answer because people have a right to ask them of public officials and will make up their minds ahead of time based on the answer.

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  • outdoortexasoutdoortexas Member Posts: 4,780
    edited November -1
    I'd say Sir to her anytime, in my book she's a pretty sharp cookie!

    Danny,
    your quote:
    "A little "Democratic Spin" here?" I'd say it was a bunch.[:D]

    EMM, you're a sharp fella, shame you're so full of hate. [;)]
    Always a conspiracy at hand.
  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000
    edited November -1
    Jerry,

    It's just more of the "high class", "high road" politics of the Dem's. Attack Bush, and everyone around him with all of the negative spin you can put on it. This is what our politics in this country has disolved to.

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  • robomanroboman Member Posts: 6,436
    edited November -1
    Howard Dean for President.
  • nordnord Member Posts: 6,106
    edited November -1
    Plan all you want. Think into the future. Pat yourself on the back for having your future bases covered... But the world doesn't quite work that way.

    The world works in unimagined ways. The smart person reacts to the present and tries to weave a favorable outcome from the cards being dealt.

    Ms. Rice is a pretty good weaver! I'd be happy to have her on my side any time.

    Nord
  • ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    Wow, a lot of Condie Rice supporters here...

    I just find it funny that a comment like hers can be defended in light of the Administration's current foreign policy problems (I won't call them "failures" because they aren't). As someone who is severely fond of restructuring the world order, her ability to plan for the future should be better than, well, "not much."

    And I believe this because there were folks like Patton who were both excellent planners and flexible thinkers. They laid out a course of action, but weren't so hidebound as to be unable to react positively to a new development. Rice, Rumsfeld, and Bush show just the bare minimum fo planning skills and have absolutely no ability to adapt. Check out their plans for Iraq and they never spoke in anything but the vaguest and most generalized of terms. This wasn't their way of sparing our brains the complex details of foreign policy; they simply had nothing else to say. And we, the taxpayer, and our servicemen and women are paying the price for their short sightedness.
  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000
    edited November -1
    Bush bash line two, via the Condoleeza Rice line. Still stinks, and I never see you comment on your girl Hilary's statements. Oh, that's right, she's exempt as a Dem![:D]

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  • stanmanstanman Member Posts: 3,052
    edited November -1
    Expired Primate,
    You could have a point! (no, I don't mean on your head)
    I believe however that she is no more or less a self-serving, lying cheat than anyone else in "public service", democrat OR republican.
    Perhaps that is the answer she used instead of blurting out "I PLAN TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT IN 2008"!!
    What impresses me about the woman though is not her resume .... no .... what impresses me is .....
    BABY GOT BACK FOR DAYZZ !!!!!! [;)]

    Hitlery isn't REALLY "your girl", is she???
  • KhegglieKhegglie Member Posts: 330 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Somehow I aint laughin stanman[:(!]
  • stanmanstanman Member Posts: 3,052
    edited November -1
    Somehow I aint surprised Khegglie.[:p]
  • KhegglieKhegglie Member Posts: 330 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    tHANX for the thoughtful post Dheff man; and for not focusing in on the presidential advisors Rump; like stan "the joker" man[;)]
  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    EMM, what are you doing 10 years from now?

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  • ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    Aglore,

    I'm running for president.

    Ain't gonna win, though.
  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just because she's a public servant doesn't mean that the public has a right to know her own individual personal goals. We live in a voyeuristic reality-TV society that doesn't really care if she runs for President of the United States someday anymore than if she runs for neighborhood dog catcher. The person who posed the question was just looking for more real-life drama to add to the soap-opera digests that sit next to the rest of the tabloids on the supermarket checkout counter. If she really wanted the interviewer to know then she would have told him. It seems to be okay for Billary Klintoon to give similar responses to the same question about her Presidential intentions (which she's been giving ever since she ran for the Senate). If it's good enough for the goose then it's good enough for the gander.

    The public doesn't have a "right" to know her own personal individual goals until her name goes on the ballot and then it's public information.
  • powdersmokepowdersmoke Member Posts: 3,241
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by idsman75
    Just because she's a public servant doesn't mean that the public has a right to know her own individual personal goals. We live in a voyeuristic reality-TV society that doesn't really care if she runs for President of the United States someday anymore than if she runs for neighborhood dog catcher. The person who posed the question was just looking for more real-life drama to add to the soap-opera digests that sit next to the rest of the tabloids on the supermarket checkout counter. If she really wanted the interviewer to know then she would have told him. It seems to be okay for Billary Klintoon to give similar responses to the same question about her Presidential intentions (which she's been giving ever since she ran for the Senate). If it's good enough for the goose then it's good enough for the gander.

    The public doesn't have a "right" to know her own personal individual goals until her name goes on the ballot and then it's public information.


    Sorry Idsman',

    I don't agree. Once you start running my affairs, albeit by public policy making, I deserve to know as much about you as I can. Not for scandals sake, egad who doesn't have some skeletons in the closet, but to better understand you as person and judge, yes I mean judge, whether you are competant,IMHO, to hold the responsibility you have.

    I am not a Dem' or Rep', I am jilted by what I have seen in politics, (Are their lips moving? They're lying!) But I have an interest in having the best man/woman in office. Questions like the one posed to Rice help make such decisions.

    There is alot of finger pointing and slur that goes on here against both parties, the jist of it is tho' don't talk about my man, but I can say anything I want about yours.

    Clinton, you choose which one, was/is scum. But don't tell me Bush/Rice is a saint and has no special interests and that he/she doesn't play the power/influence game for politics, Gore was no better. You don't rise to that level, unfortunately, in our society without playing the game. I don't believe in saints/goodmen/honorable men/fair men in politics. At least not above the Alderman level.

    MHO

    Are their lips moving? They're lying!

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  • mballaimballai Member Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'll take one order of Rice to the entire menu of braying donkeys. She has more smarts in her pinky then they do collectively. The lady knows that you can't plan on an unpredictable future; just on what's forseeable. Context please and thank you.

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  • capecodcapecod Member Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think she is one very smart lady and I admire her. The President is fortunate to have her as an advisor. Its amazing to me how uttering a few off hand words of uncertainty concerning her future plans can be so blown out of proportion in an childish effort to discredit her. Absolutely amazing!!
    John


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  • ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    You guys seem to confuse being precognitive with planning for the future. It is perfectly reasonable to say, for example, "I plan on putting my kids through college" or "I plan on furthering my career." To say, "I have no idea where I'll be in ten years" is also acceptable since that would require foresight that fell into the realm of fortune telling.

    And correct me if I'm wrong, but were her plans for Iraq not just the slightest bit vague? Every press release and interview she had pertaining to Iraq's future relied upon a shiny happy people welcoming us with open arms. Oil would flow and Iraq would become a stable democracy. She (and the rest of the Administration) never once considered the possibility of terrorist acts, sabotage, or Iraqi resentment. They only took into account that Shi'ites hated Saddam and didn't take into account their uncomfortably close ideological links with Iran.

    If she had anything more detailed, I would enjoy a cut and paste. But from everything I've read and heard, her ideas for postwar Iraq were childishly simplistic. And given the realities and dullness of reconstruction work, no doubt she and the rest of her pals in the Administration are planning their next war. After all, bombs and planes and landing on aircraft carriers are way more exciting than the day-to-day trivialities of running a country.
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