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Bushy's No Child Left Behind Isn't working
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Program failed big time here in SC. Not one High School met the criteria. Some states are not taking state funding to meet the goals. What a mess..
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"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
-Jimmy the cheese man
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This is not to disparigethe many hard working and committed teachers out there. It is mainly a famlies and school problem!
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
And, what is suggested as an alternative?
I have an alternative- First thing is dismantle the Department of education all together(something I might add the Republicans were saying should be done not too long ago). Then, allow the states and local governments to decide what type of testing is appropriate for their schools.
"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
-Jimmy the cheese man
I can tell you an interesting story, but first let me say, kids and education should never be (but are) a political toy in my opinion. They both should be a bi-partisan subject, and we all should support what ever makes the two of them better.
Now, for the short version of the story.
I had a friend that was in school and doing a sociology study for one of his professors. Dallas had recently set up a truancy court for kids who wouldn't go to school. The parents were brought to court with the child and told it was their responsibility to get the child to school. They all had the same story. "Judge I've tried and tried, but I can't get Johnny to go to school". The judge spent the first few months telling them (most repeated times) to try again, and this time, get it done. Most of them had a long and documented history of failure to get their children to school. As you guessed, nothing changed.
After the first few months, he would see the same parents and children again and again. So this time, he changed the tactics. He sentenced the parents to a weekend in jail, and warned them next time it would be a full week, then 30 days, then removal of the children from the home. 98.4% of the parents found a way to get Johnny in school and keep him there after serving two days behind bars.
My friend presented these facts to the professor who told him he couldn't accept them as evidence because there were no studies done inside the home where the changes had taken place, only facts from one side that there was a change. He asked the professor why, when science accepts a single sided documented change when the other side cannot be monitored, and make a hypothesis as to what the change was. The professor told him that this was different because it would reflect on the family courts, family dynamics, and individuals in a negative way. Or, in other words, we don't want to blame the individuals, just a political system that allows it.
Any child left behind should be looked at to see if it was a parent's neglect rather than made a political statistic.
Again, kids and education are not political toys. They are priorities.[;)]
PS, Over the years the one big difference I've seen between the so called "liberals" and the so called "conservatives" is, the left always wants to pay for a system and bring in government to run it or to solve the problem with it, and the right wants to find out who the individual or individuals are who are making it fail, and either replace them or at least hold them accountable for their failure. I believe in accountability.
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Eric
All American Arms Company
Veteran Owned and Operated
Mrs. Mudge teaches 4th grade in Loudoun County, VA. The first person who even intimates that she doesn't work hard is gonna' get invited outside by me.
The "No Child Left Behind" crap doesn't work....PERIOD.
Somehow, Mr. Bush is of the impression that all children/people have the same learning capabilities. That's total BS. Then they insist on lumping the "Special Ed." student's test scores in with everyone elses.
Look at it this way...
Imagine you're on a rifle team. Four of you are good shots, the fifth is visually impaired and can barely see 100 yards. But the rules say you must use him simply because he belongs to your shooting club. Your team can only win a competition if your average score is 700 out of 1000. You go to the range for a competition and the four guys that shoot well each shoot 900. The fifth guy shoots 100. That makes your team average 200. YOU LOSE.
Not fair, you say? I guess I've made my point.
Same thing is going on with "No Child Left Behind". The many are being punished for the failure of the few.
Don't get me wrong. I know as well as the next guy that there are teachers out there who can't pass 5th grade math. AND there are a lot of parents who think they know better how to teach than the teachers do.
In Loudoun County, there is an unwritten policy that pretty much says that EVERY student will be passed on to the next higher grade regardless of that students performace. The students and parents are aware of this and many of the students have the attitude that: "I'm gonna' be passed no matter what I do so I'm gonna' do the least I can get away with."
Mrs. Mudge is sometimes frustrated to tears by this attitude. I think many of us here went to schools where the policy was, "You fail, you do the grade over."
That policy is long forgotten, I'm sorry to say.
Mudge the frustrated
I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!<BR>
Sal...Gotta' agree with you about the Dept. of Education. Think about it...who have they ever educated. Just another bureaucracy.
Mrs. Mudge teaches 4th grade in Loudound County, VA. The first person who even intimates that she doesn't work hard is gonna' get invited outside by me.
The "No Child Left Behind" crap doesn't work....PERIOD.
Somehow, Mr. Bush is of the impression that all children/people have the same learning capabilities. That's total BS. Then they insist on lumping the "Special Ed." student's test scores in with everyone elses.
Look at it this way...
Imagine you're on a rifle team. Four of you are good shots, the fifth is visually impaired and can barely see 100 yards. But the rules say you must use him simply because he belongs to your shooting club. Your team can only win a competition if your average score is 700 out of 1000. You go to the range for a competition and the four guys that shoot well each shoot 900. The fifth guy shoots 100. That makes your team average 200. YOU LOSE.
Not fair, you say? I guess I've made my point.
Same thing is going on with "No Child Left Behind". The many are being punished for the failure of the few.
Don't get me wrong. I know as well as the next guy that there are teachers out there who can't pass 5th grade math. AND there are a lot of parents who think they know better how to teach than the teachers do.
In Loudoun County, there is an unwritten policy that pretty much says that EVERY student will be passed on to the next higher grade regardless of that students performace. The students and parents are aware of this and many of the students have the attitude that: "I'm gonna' be passed no matter what I do so I'm gonna' do the least I can get away with."
Mrs. Mudge is sometimes frustrated to tears by this attitude. I think many of us here went to schools where the policy was, "You fail, you do the grade over."
That policy is long forgotten, I'm sorry to say.
Mudge the frustrated
I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!<BR>
Hey Mudge...I wish they had that policy about 25 years ago. I kept screwing around in the 7th grade, and they sure flunked me[^] I wonder if I might have met you before...I know quite a few teachers in Loudoun.[:)]
Eric
All American Arms Company
Veteran Owned and Operated
Ah Ha !! Mudge..finally a subject we can agree on. Politics aside the children are the ones getting the short end of the stick. I only wish BOTH sides could agree and get something done in Education. SC is 49 out of 50 states. My wife teaches and is working on her disertation. She is also fed up with the system.
Amen Select-fire!!!!! It ain't the teachers!!!!!! And, it's not a political issue!!!!! It's a requirement, and neither side should play politics with it, just fix it and don't try to take credit for it!!!!
Kids and education are the future, and I don't mind investing in in that!!!!!
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rcdis
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"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it that the former does not submit to hereditary predjudices, but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." - Albert E.
On my tombstone:"Keep you eyes on the road, your hands upon the wheel..."the Lizard King
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"Right is Right, even is everyone is against it, and wrong is wrong, even if everyone is for it"
The "No Child Left Behind" crap doesn't work....PERIOD.
Somehow, Mr. Bush is of the impression that all children/people have the same learning capabilities. That's total BS. Then they insist on lumping the "Special Ed." student's test scores in with everyone elses.
My wife says the exact same thing. She teaches junior high, and has a few "learning support(uhhh Mudge-you cant say special ed anymore)" classes.
"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
-Jimmy the cheese man
Seems to me my local board of supervisors and city/county council are more worried saving a worthless piece of sage brush and a 5 legged toads than local schools. [:(!]
I think this topic may hold the key to some of my own local issues.
"Those who live by the sword get shot
by those who don't." [:D]
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I worked in an 'early intervention' program in our city school system, the type of program that is supposed to target children that are at risk, and provide the proper intervention to assure their school success, and overall success. My first learning experience in the policy of the "No Child..." came in the form of a charming little boy in kindergarden named Tommy. Tommy had tendancies to approach frustrating situations with aggressive behaviors. I always figured it was a combination of having two older brothers, and too much pro wresting. Cute kid, smart, nice, normal parents.... I was the second half of a tag-team of social worker,(who worked with the child on his issues), and parent advocate/home visitor(ME, who worked with the family on behavioral interventions that they mught try at home, and a liason between the parents and the school). Tommy's dad asked me to attend his parent teacher confernce, because he had a real problem with the fact that his little boy was describing himself as having 'anger problems'. So I approached the teacher with this concern, and to my surprise,the following week I was called on the carpet, because I did not support the position of the teacher, thereby not supporting her ultimate position of authority in the classroom. Made my plea, was told that the title of 'parent/advocate' was just for paper, to get the grant money. My job was acctually to unilaterally support the decision of the classroom teacher. Silly, stupid me.
Now, anyone who has ever spent any time with a five year old knows that they only give you the illusion of control, right? If they don't respect you,they run rough-shot over you...
There was a little boy named Lucas. Lucas was a great kid with a really crappy home life. Mom's boyriend was a d$%# whose favorite form of discipline for Lucas and his little brother was to make them perform military-style leg lifts. Needless to say, homelife was less than desirable. Teacher brought Lucas to my office one morning, totally exasperated, "you do something with him." and left him. Lucas then proceeded to begin to tear apart my office,pushing things off of shelves and so forth. He then noticed my fishtank,,"Oh! You got fish!" Immediately,he settled down. I reminded him about why he was brought to my office, and told him that my fish needed someone that they could rely onto feed them every morning. I would speak to his teacher every afternoon, and as long as I got a positive report from her, he would be 'the man for the job'. The next day, I am again called on the carpet for usurping the authority of the teacher. She stated that I was 'rewarding him for his bad behavior'. I stated that any of Lucas' rewards were contingent on his positive classroom behavior, but again I was repremanded for stepping on the teacher's feet. Epilogue: Both boys were classified, and therefore removed from a regular classroom. Makes for great stats, sure.... But what about the individual child? Two bright,intelligent children,both of them removed from a 'regular' classroom because they pose a challenge to the teacher,and an insult to her state 'standards'. Isn't that what you went to college and got a master's degree for, so that you could be as effective of a teacher for as many children as you could?
No Child Left Behind, my *...
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it that the former does not submit to hereditary predjudices, but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." - Albert E.
On my tombstone:"Keep you eyes on the road, your hands upon the wheel..."the Lizard King
in Purcelville.
Mudge the teacher's pet
I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
Believe nothing that you hear and only one half of what you see!!
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it that the former does not submit to hereditary predjudices, but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." - Albert E.
On my tombstone:"Keep you eyes on the road, your hands upon the wheel..."the Lizard King
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"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
-Jimmy the cheese man
Believe nothing that you hear and only one half of what you see!!
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it that the former does not submit to hereditary predjudices, but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." - Albert E.
On my tombstone:"Keep you eyes on the road, your hands upon the wheel..."the Lizard King
Believe nothing that you hear and only one half of what you see!!
Sounds like more of a South Carolina problem to me. Why would it work other places but not there?
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It's a disaster in most every state because he hasn't authorized proper funding for it.