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Many years ago, was tasked with escorting a professional safe cracker on his rounds. Anyone on the base who locked a safe and couldn't open it, we got the call.
We were both employed by Uncle Sam. My job was to keep him focused on his job and to be sure that everything stayed legal. Safes, such as the company Fire Sergeant's were real easy, took him just a minute or two and it was open. First question he always asked was if there are any explosives in there. If so, he wouldn't touch it, it went to the demo range and whoever locked it got to explain why his safe and contents were junk. Seems Chow Hall safes were the ones we saw most often.
CMS vaults, the good ones, took him about 15 minutes. Longest ever took him about an hour. No fire and no power tools.
About any safe can be cracked in time.
Knew someone who claimed he had 5 sticks of dynamite with a tilt switch and a timer in his safe. Said should the tilt switch ever get tripped, if you didn't open the safe and reset it, 5 minutes later, BOOM! I stayed away from him.
quote:Originally posted by cartod You're overcomplicating things by worrying about someone using a plasma cutter.
I see from that label partially visible in your pic that's it has a UL certification rating of 'Residential Security Container' (B-2).
No matter how stout it appears, an RSC designation indicates it's been tested and rated as capable of withstanding an attack with common portable hand/electric tools ('tools that could be found at any construction site or hardware store') for 5 minutes.
The next rating up their list is for 15 minutes of more specialized tools.
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
would be alot easier to beat the combonation out of you, maybe remove a finger, one at a time
My wife and son don't know my combination, only I do. I figure them knowing the combination would get them a bullet in the back of the head as soon as it opens. I keep it many miles from our house for another layer of personal protection.
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by cartod You're overcomplicating things by worrying about someone using a plasma cutter.
I see from that label partially visible in your pic that's it has a UL certification rating of 'Residential Security Container' (B-2).
No matter how stout it appears, an RSC designation indicates it's been tested and rated as capable of withstanding an attack with common portable hand/electric tools ('tools that could be found at any construction site or hardware store') for 5 minutes.
The next rating up their list is for 15 minutes of more specialized tools.
Sorry txs not trying to overcomplicate just asking a question. So you are saying common electric tools are at best just 15 minutes away from getting in any residential safe? Just out of paranoia I would rather not give the safe brand but I did as others here have reccomended and got about the best I could afford at the time.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
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I see S-F is getting all school girl giddy because txs says my safe can be broken into with comon power tools.
Did your mommy drop you on your head as a child, or did she pull you off the teet to quick? ....[:0][:X][:X]
it doesn't matter if any of these tools will or will not work. Noone in their right mind will spend the time nor the money to get into a home safe. Unless they KNOW it's worth the effort.
A quickysaw would fill the house with exhaust and kill everything old enough to die. also, the noise makes this pretty much useless as well.
same for plasma cutters, besides the noise, you have the flash and the smoke.
If you have an average alarm system, that is combined with fire you are good to go. Most people never think to disarm the smoke detectors as they are most likely tied into 911 as well.
professionals want big cash and jewels. they can get into anything.
average crackhead will take the flat panel tv and set the house on fire because he cant get in the safe or doesn't want to invest the time and labor.
quote:Originally posted by cartod
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by cartod You're overcomplicating things by worrying about someone using a plasma cutter.
I see from that label partially visible in your pic that's it has a UL certification rating of 'Residential Security Container' (B-2).
No matter how stout it appears, an RSC designation indicates it's been tested and rated as capable of withstanding an attack with common portable hand/electric tools ('tools that could be found at any construction site or hardware store') for 5 minutes.
The next rating up their list is for 15 minutes of more specialized tools.
Sorry txs not trying to overcomplicate just asking a question. So you are saying common electric tools are at best just 15 minutes away from getting in any residential safe? Just out of paranoia I would rather not give the safe brand but I did as others here have reccomended and got about the best I could afford at the time.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
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I see S-F is getting all school girl giddy because txs says my safe can be broken into with comon power tools.
Did your mommy drop you on your head as a child, or did she pull you off the teet to quick? ....[:0][:X][:X]
Always got to make a comment. Seems your fancy safe isn't as safe as you thought. Just break down and have someone house sit... It is real simple... Keeps your mind at ease [:D]
quote:Originally posted by cartod
quote:Originally posted by forkliftking
quote:Originally posted by cartod
..If so, How long would it take? I guess standard insurance would cover it?
It should take about 2 minutes with a quality plasma to cut the entire front off a typical gun safe. But if you want to save the safe, cut the back of it out so you can re weld it back and no one will see the reapir.
Im just wondering if a criminal can get in a quality gun safe with a plasma cutter without destroying whats inside.
So you could get through the front or side of a safe in just a couple minutes????
Edit add:
He would burn your house down faster trying.
Want to add he will need 220v and an air compressor of decent size for any thing over 1/4" Then, a blow back problem with the insulation in the middle.
quote:Originally posted by cartod
I see S-F is getting all school girl giddy because txs says my safe can be broken into with comon power tools.Understand it's not me saying it. It's actually Underwriter's Laboratories.
There's nothing wrong with having an RSC rated gun safe. In fact that's what pretty much all of them are. Just don't overestimate it's capabilities.
A safe large enough for a bunch of long guns of the next higher category (TL rated) would cost some serious coin - and equipment to get it unloaded/positioned.
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by cartod
I see S-F is getting all school girl giddy because txs says my safe can be broken into with comon power tools.Understand it's not me saying it. It's actually Underwriter's Laboratories.There's nothing wrong with having an RSC rated gun safe. In fact that's what pretty much all of them are. Just don't overestimate it's capabilities.A safe large enough for a bunch of long guns of the next higher category (TL rated) would cost some serious coin - and equipment to get it unloaded/positioned.
Not to be a smart @ss, but what crook brings a plasma cutter to a break in.
Like Franc said, 220vlt & compressed air is needed for it to work.
I wouldn't think that these big safe's we are talking about are not easily moved out of the home. So, taking it back to there place and working on it at their leisure is out.
Most of them I've seen take a pallet jack &/or 4 healthy men to move.[B)]
Last time I helped a friend move from one home to another I almost gave myself a hurny helping move his.[B)]
It is possible to do but You need to ask Yourself just how bad You want to keep the stuff in the Safe as most everything will either be burned up or badly damaged by the Sparks and *.
A better way would be a abrasive wheel like the Concrete People use to cut Concrete.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by cartod
I see S-F is getting all school girl giddy because txs says my safe can be broken into with comon power tools.Understand it's not me saying it. It's actually Underwriter's Laboratories.There's nothing wrong with having an RSC rated gun safe. In fact that's what pretty much all of them are. Just don't overestimate it's capabilities.A safe large enough for a bunch of long guns of the next higher category (TL rated) would cost some serious coin - and equipment to get it unloaded/positioned.
You have to know the capabilities [;)]
You already posted a pic indicating them. [:0][:D]
The skill level needed to be a successful safe-man, comes with experience that can only be accumulated outside prison walls. A professional weighs the payoff against each security measure he must overcome. The cost of failure is time forced to live amongst criminals skilled only in being stupid. Unless you have a safe full of rare and valuable guns, that are not so rare as to be un-sellable, then you need only worry about the idiots wielding sledge hammers, crowbars and cordless drills, who are better at getting caught than getting away.
If a pro wants your stuff, you can't prevent it anyway. The bozos will leave a trail of stupidity back to your stuff, if they come calling. The police will take a report and follow the trail if you bug them enough. Mostly, they'd rather ignore your loss, figuring you'll get new stuff. That is why we have insurance...so we can take trips away from our stuff without worry.
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Might wake up the neighbors, though.
We were both employed by Uncle Sam. My job was to keep him focused on his job and to be sure that everything stayed legal. Safes, such as the company Fire Sergeant's were real easy, took him just a minute or two and it was open. First question he always asked was if there are any explosives in there. If so, he wouldn't touch it, it went to the demo range and whoever locked it got to explain why his safe and contents were junk. Seems Chow Hall safes were the ones we saw most often.
CMS vaults, the good ones, took him about 15 minutes. Longest ever took him about an hour. No fire and no power tools.
About any safe can be cracked in time.
Knew someone who claimed he had 5 sticks of dynamite with a tilt switch and a timer in his safe. Said should the tilt switch ever get tripped, if you didn't open the safe and reset it, 5 minutes later, BOOM! I stayed away from him.
I see from that label partially visible in your pic that's it has a UL certification rating of 'Residential Security Container' (B-2).
No matter how stout it appears, an RSC designation indicates it's been tested and rated as capable of withstanding an attack with common portable hand/electric tools ('tools that could be found at any construction site or hardware store') for 5 minutes.
The next rating up their list is for 15 minutes of more specialized tools.
would be alot easier to beat the combonation out of you, maybe remove a finger, one at a time
My wife and son don't know my combination, only I do. I figure them knowing the combination would get them a bullet in the back of the head as soon as it opens. I keep it many miles from our house for another layer of personal protection.
quote:Originally posted by cartod
I see from that label partially visible in your pic that's it has a UL certification rating of 'Residential Security Container' (B-2).
No matter how stout it appears, an RSC designation indicates it's been tested and rated as capable of withstanding an attack with common portable hand/electric tools ('tools that could be found at any construction site or hardware store') for 5 minutes.
The next rating up their list is for 15 minutes of more specialized tools.
Sorry txs not trying to overcomplicate just asking a question. So you are saying common electric tools are at best just 15 minutes away from getting in any residential safe? Just out of paranoia I would rather not give the safe brand but I did as others here have reccomended and got about the best I could afford at the time.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
[:0][:0]
I see S-F is getting all school girl giddy because txs says my safe can be broken into with comon power tools.
Did your mommy drop you on your head as a child, or did she pull you off the teet to quick? ....[:0][:X][:X]
A quickysaw would fill the house with exhaust and kill everything old enough to die. also, the noise makes this pretty much useless as well.
same for plasma cutters, besides the noise, you have the flash and the smoke.
If you have an average alarm system, that is combined with fire you are good to go. Most people never think to disarm the smoke detectors as they are most likely tied into 911 as well.
professionals want big cash and jewels. they can get into anything.
average crackhead will take the flat panel tv and set the house on fire because he cant get in the safe or doesn't want to invest the time and labor.
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by cartod
I see from that label partially visible in your pic that's it has a UL certification rating of 'Residential Security Container' (B-2).
No matter how stout it appears, an RSC designation indicates it's been tested and rated as capable of withstanding an attack with common portable hand/electric tools ('tools that could be found at any construction site or hardware store') for 5 minutes.
The next rating up their list is for 15 minutes of more specialized tools.
Sorry txs not trying to overcomplicate just asking a question. So you are saying common electric tools are at best just 15 minutes away from getting in any residential safe? Just out of paranoia I would rather not give the safe brand but I did as others here have reccomended and got about the best I could afford at the time.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
[:0][:0]
I see S-F is getting all school girl giddy because txs says my safe can be broken into with comon power tools.
Did your mommy drop you on your head as a child, or did she pull you off the teet to quick? ....[:0][:X][:X]
Always got to make a comment. Seems your fancy safe isn't as safe as you thought. Just break down and have someone house sit... It is real simple... Keeps your mind at ease [:D]
Quit hijackin my thread and trying to get it locked, tough guy.
quote:Originally posted by forkliftking
quote:Originally posted by cartod
..If so, How long would it take? I guess standard insurance would cover it?
It should take about 2 minutes with a quality plasma to cut the entire front off a typical gun safe. But if you want to save the safe, cut the back of it out so you can re weld it back and no one will see the reapir.
Im just wondering if a criminal can get in a quality gun safe with a plasma cutter without destroying whats inside.
So you could get through the front or side of a safe in just a couple minutes????
Edit add:
He would burn your house down faster trying.
Want to add he will need 220v and an air compressor of decent size for any thing over 1/4" Then, a blow back problem with the insulation in the middle.
Hey SF, maybe your old lady can come back over and watch it...[:D]
Quit hijackin my thread and trying to get it locked, tough guy.
Hey smart mouth.. I don't have an old lady.
Well I do not appreciate you calling my wife an old lady. Calling another mans wife an old lady is derogatory.. You are a class act.
quote:Originally posted by cartod
Hey SF, maybe your old lady can come back over and watch it...[:D]
Quit hijackin my thread and trying to get it locked, tough guy.
Hey smart mouth.. I don't have an old lady.
Please Get off of my thread and take your medicine, you are acting like a troll again.
I see S-F is getting all school girl giddy because txs says my safe can be broken into with comon power tools.Understand it's not me saying it. It's actually Underwriter's Laboratories.
There's nothing wrong with having an RSC rated gun safe. In fact that's what pretty much all of them are. Just don't overestimate it's capabilities.
A safe large enough for a bunch of long guns of the next higher category (TL rated) would cost some serious coin - and equipment to get it unloaded/positioned.
quote:Originally posted by cartod
I see S-F is getting all school girl giddy because txs says my safe can be broken into with comon power tools.Understand it's not me saying it. It's actually Underwriter's Laboratories.There's nothing wrong with having an RSC rated gun safe. In fact that's what pretty much all of them are. Just don't overestimate it's capabilities.A safe large enough for a bunch of long guns of the next higher category (TL rated) would cost some serious coin - and equipment to get it unloaded/positioned.
You have to know the capabilities [;)]
Like Franc said, 220vlt & compressed air is needed for it to work.
I wouldn't think that these big safe's we are talking about are not easily moved out of the home. So, taking it back to there place and working on it at their leisure is out.
Most of them I've seen take a pallet jack &/or 4 healthy men to move.[B)]
Last time I helped a friend move from one home to another I almost gave myself a hurny helping move his.[B)]
A better way would be a abrasive wheel like the Concrete People use to cut Concrete.
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by cartod
I see S-F is getting all school girl giddy because txs says my safe can be broken into with comon power tools.Understand it's not me saying it. It's actually Underwriter's Laboratories.There's nothing wrong with having an RSC rated gun safe. In fact that's what pretty much all of them are. Just don't overestimate it's capabilities.A safe large enough for a bunch of long guns of the next higher category (TL rated) would cost some serious coin - and equipment to get it unloaded/positioned.
You have to know the capabilities [;)]
You already posted a pic indicating them. [:0][:D]
If a pro wants your stuff, you can't prevent it anyway. The bozos will leave a trail of stupidity back to your stuff, if they come calling. The police will take a report and follow the trail if you bug them enough. Mostly, they'd rather ignore your loss, figuring you'll get new stuff. That is why we have insurance...so we can take trips away from our stuff without worry.