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Who was the worst prez?

alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
edited May 2004 in General Discussion
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January..... in the fair city of Detroit (Michigan) there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's one American city folks, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq!

Worst president in history ?

The following appeared in the Durham, NC local paper as a letter to the editor.

Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11.

Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims.

FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. >From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.


John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. I think history might show Eisenhower committed the troops and Kennedy was honoring that commitment.

Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. >From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 800 soldiers, an average of 400 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.

Worst president in history? Come on!

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!



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    babybearbabybear Member Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Worst???? I don't think it is fair to make a judgement of that sort predicated solely on a 'war' record. How about worst, INEPT...now we come to a coin toss between Ford and Carter. Personally I would pick Carter on an inept/dangerous ticket. That little peanut picker is STILL running around with his nose in world affairs. To top it all off, now we got Gorbachev in Kalifornia working day and night to pull us toward the NWO and stealng your rights.....check them out....B.B.

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    sodbustersodbuster Member Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Worst president in history ?

    Clinton,,,

    50 something, MARRIED man, letting a teenage girl suck on his 'special purpose', again and again and again in the oval office.
    Then he is so arrogant, he lies to us about it,,again and again..

    His wife is still ,married to him,,,she will be president someday,,,sheesh,,,it's the end of the world as we know it,,,

    ,,,[V]sod






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    p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 25,750
    edited November -1
    In the big scheme of things, probably LBJ.

    Vietnam
    Great Society
    Silver (real) money ended

    Between his fiascos internationally and his domestic blunders, was anyone surprised he didn't run again?

    His programs are still costing us money.

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    LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    I gotta go with FDR. Probably did more to advance socialism in this country than any man who ever lived.

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    RocklobsterRocklobster Member Posts: 7,060
    edited November -1
    Abraham Lincoln.

    NOT because of the slavery thing, but because he was the first to establish that the government can and will control us, using whatever means necessary.
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    gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
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    Lincoln because he caused the worst war in American history, was the greatest tyrant & changed the basic structure of our government.
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    William81William81 Member Posts: 24,627 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There have been several boneheads in the office over the years. IMHO
    Bill Clinton did the most damage to the office of the President, which in turn damaged and lowered our standing in the world community.

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    alledanalledan Member Posts: 19,541
    edited November -1
    I will say Lincoln because he was the planter of the seed that separates the people from the government and the government from the constitution.

    As we all see today that there really isn't any relationship between the government and the contitution.


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    stanmanstanman Member Posts: 3,052
    edited November -1
    quote:Who was the worst prez?

    I'll cast my vote for Teddy Roosevelt!

    A romatic figure, sportsman and gun enthusiast he was, but I don't understand how the nation sat still and allowed him to STEAL the National Parks and National Forest lands from the states.
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    Rebel_JamesRebel_James Member Posts: 4,746
    edited November -1
    disHonest Abe Lincoln. Explained enough in the above posts.


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    HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    None of us can really answer the question until GWB is out of office--but he is running a great race for the first position. [:D]

    There is always one more imbecile than you counted on.
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    ohioghogohioghog Member Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    totally agree with sodbuster on this one.
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    texashntrtexashntr Member Posts: 28 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    also agree with sodbuster
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    Night StalkerNight Stalker Member Posts: 11,967
    edited November -1
    Carter, without a doubt. But, the get-on-your-knees-in-the-oval-office Clinton is a close second with his ironicly "hands-off" approach to world affairs, which has been (forgive my pun) "loosely" interpreted hands-off approach to government is a close second... all of the damage he did to us in the international community is damn-near irreversible..

    You have no idea how emberassing it is to try to defend a President you do not believe in when you are in a foreign country, and they are using Clinton as the punchline of a joke. I truly wanted to crawl under the edge of a table.

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    jptatumjptatum Member Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Tough question. I'm 65 so I can only comment on what has happened in my lifetime. Kennedy, Carter and Clinton are really close. The greatest have been Reagen and Eisenhower. Nixon is a special case. In foreign affairs, nobody was in his class.

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    jujujuju Member Posts: 6,321
    edited November -1
    quote:so I can only comment on what has happened in my lifetime. Kennedy, Carter and Clinton are really close. The greatest have been Reagen and Eisenhower. Nixon is a special case. In foreign affairs, nobody was in his class.


    What the man said!!!!!

    JuJu(agreeing wholeheartedly)
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    salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Abe Lincoln.

    And I would put George somewhere in the "worst five".

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    -Jimmy the cheese man
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    kingjoeykingjoey Member Posts: 8,636
    edited November -1
    I'd say Carter or Clinton, both cut from the same sheet of dumba$$[;)]

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    rinkydinkrinkydink Member Posts: 76 ✭✭
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    1. Lincoln---destroyed states' rights and seeded the behemoth Federal government that we now have.

    2. FDR---gave us socialism that continues to grow even today.

    3. William Jefferson Clinton--devastating blow (no pun intended) to morality of our country

    4. Carter--the one who preached that mediocrity was a virtue.

    5. LBJ--Devesated our national will to fight to win when we engage in war.
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    plains scoutplains scout Member Posts: 4,563
    edited November -1
    Hillary Clinton -- she WAS the worst.

    Now you guys are going to make me go and change my signature. I just liked the quote, but it is certainly true of the senseless death, destruction and crushing of liberities, Lincoln did his share. Given what happened at the time, I am curious of what he could have done different (justifying it with abolition of slavery was sold to us in grade school, but we all know better) Never has a president been faced with a more difficult decision -- to make war on your own countrymen or to let the country divide into two either or which alone would never have amounted to much more than GB or France.

    Carter -- smartest, that is book smart president we will ever have. No sense of the evil in the world.

    Slick Willy Clinton -- fooled an entire nation. Worst example of a leader our children and nation will ever see.

    Teddy Roosevelt is a character hero of mine, but the entire forest service which is an illigitimate child offspring of what he started is an ugly mutant of the original purpose.

    There were lots of bad ones. Some of the bad ones even did some good things.

    Best? I am still waiting.



    "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
    ~Abraham Lincoln
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    salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
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    quote:Originally posted by plains scout
    Given what happened at the time, I am curious of what he could have done different (justifying it with abolition of slavery was sold to us in grade school, but we all know better) Never has a president been faced with a more difficult decision -- to make war on your own countrymen or to let the country divide into two either or which alone would never have amounted to much more than GB or France.



    Well, he could have started off by actually reading the constitution.If he did that, he would have realized that the states had the constitutional right to leave if theywanted to.
    If that didnt work, he could have found a copy of the declaration of independence, and read it, IN ITS ENIRETY, instead of only reading the "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL" partial sentence that he recited ad nauseum. If he read just a couple of more lines, he would not have thought it proper to deny people the right that the founders thought most important.

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    Papa CapPapa Cap Member Posts: 46 ✭✭
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    This is an easy one! My vote goes to ole Dumbya himself. In 2 0r 3 yrs after the effects have began to wear off all will see the illeteracy and diversions that this presidency carried w/it!

    "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds"
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    Gibbs505Gibbs505 Member Posts: 3,175
    edited November -1
    This is one thread which, as a Canadian, I will not get involved in. Anyway, we have nothing to be too proud of in our own leaders.

    Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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    ZERODINZERODIN Member Posts: 6,338
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Papa Cap
    This is an easy one! My vote goes to ole Dumbya himself. In 2 0r 3 yrs after the effects have began to wear off all will see the illeteracy and diversions that this presidency carried w/it!


    I think we're already starting to see the illiteracy take effect.
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    gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by plains scout

    Carter -- smartest, that is book smart president we will ever have. No sense of the evil in the world.

    Best? I am still waiting.


    Carter was also quite probably the most decent man to occupy the office. Too bad book smarts & decency don't add up to competence.

    Best is much easier. We started off with the best & it's been downhill ever since. When I was younger that was taken for a given but the PC crowd has been busy since then.
    Washington could have been king & turned it down. Could have stayed as long as he wanted but left after eight years. Had no president to go by & did a bang-up job. Took a bankrupt nation & set us on the road to fiscal resposibility that pretty much lasted (with some obvious exceptions) until George the Lesser. The sad part is we failed to pay much attention to his Fairwell Address when he warned us to mind our own bussiness.
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    ZERODINZERODIN Member Posts: 6,338
    edited November -1
    Carter is a far better ex-president than he was President. [;)]

    I agree that "cannot tell a lie" GW was the best, but that he could have been king is just proof that people back then were, as a whole, just as foolish as they are today. At least we have some time between when we fought off oppression and when we voted more of it into office. Back then, they had no excuse!

    One thing to keep in mind is that every profession has a core skill without which you cannot succeed in that field. In engineering, it's a structured imagination. In law enforcement, it's reading people and acting on your read instantaneously. In politics, it's lying. No matter how good a man is, if he is in office he told some lies on the way there.
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    mrmike08075mrmike08075 Member Posts: 10,998 ✭✭✭
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    can anyone name a single piece of legislation, a single law enacted, a single specific bill passed, or govt act that benifited you or your families, or your friends and niehbors that was put forward and ratified during the 8 years of CLINTON / GORE / HILLARY???

    how about the only president in our nations history to have never done military service of any kind...

    i am sure we can make a historical case for graft, corruption, and moral failings among several past presidents, but slick willie wins hands down.

    lying under oath, parsing the definition of "IS", bimbo eruptions (sure JFK had a lot of affairs, but at least his indescretions were attractive and high class, not trailer trash pigs and under age fat interns), whitewater, drug use, draft dodging, protesting against our military while in a foriegn country, not taking custody of OSAMA when offered on a silver platter, etc...

    while many dislike GWB II, and disagree with his policies and decisions, you cannot compare him to WILLIE.
    best regards, mike.

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    TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
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    Anyone Hairy voted for![;)]

    Trinity +++

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    Patriots49Patriots49 Member Posts: 751 ✭✭✭✭
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    William Henry Harrison. He didn't do a damned thing while in office![:D]

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    gap1916gap1916 Member Posts: 4,977
    edited November -1
    My vote is for LBJ. [8D]

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    chunkstylechunkstyle Member Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Warren Harding. Look him up.

    Since I have been studying Greek lately, I'll give a more direct translation of the Thermopylae Monument: "Stranger, tell the Lakedaemonians that in agreement with their customs, we lie here."
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    n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    FDR "the Socialist" ties with Clinton "the pathetic, non-ethical, lying sexual predator".

    "We become what we habitually do. If we act rightly, we become upright men. If we habitually act wrongly, or weakly, we become weak and corrupt" - *ARISTOTLE*

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    BuckShotJonBuckShotJon Member Posts: 235 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Worst - Abe Lincoln

    A close second would be a tie between Warren Harding ,Bill Clinton and LBJ.

    Best....not really anyone I can say was the best but Reagan was pretty good.

    Most interesting for sure is Nixon. I love to read about him. Wish I could have met him.

    Jon
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